Thread: Black Magic Enchant might actually be useful to Ferals

I'm not sure how many of you follow RAWR development, but a RAWR user yesterday posted about the posibility that the Black Magic Enchant might actually be useful for Ferals. It's been proven that Black Magic can be used by Rogues do to the fact that poisons fall under the Spell Hit mechanic. This user was apparently bored and wanted to try it out. He figured out that Black Magic does proc for both Kitty and Bear. When delving further, he figured:

Catform: BM procs off Shred regardless of spec (or having none at all). Procs off Mangle even without Infected Wounds.
Bearform: BM procs of Maul+Mangle but only if you have Infected Wounds.

Astrylian goes on to say:

Some quick testing of the proc value in Rawr shows it losing to Mongoose... until you're crit capped, then it starts winning.

If you want to read more, check out the Issue this was first posted on:
http://rawr.codeplex.com/WorkItem/Vi...rkItemId=17803

The moment it becomes used in raids, they'll fix the issue.
Interesting, ok, but only for theoretical speculation.

I didn't know ferals like haste :O

Wow, I learn something new everyday

Originally Posted by B

I didn't know ferals like haste :O

Wow, I learn something new everyday

Only after you're ArP capped.

I believe it would be proccing off of FFF that you would use with free GCDs. If I remember correctly, someone showed that doesn't happen ofter enough.

I figured after arpen, haste was next. Every spreadsheet was like NOOOO WAYYY and I was all 'but I don't really play feral anymore' and then it kicked me in the shin :[

well i dont think it should proc of shred or magle, probely should of feiry fire and infected wounds

Actually , thinking of it, this shouldnt be a bug. IF Infected wounds is treated like a spell
which i believe it does, applying IW to a target CAN proc Bm

Originally Posted by BartolGdH

Just as food for thought: maybe it didn't proc from mangle or shred, but from omen of clarity. Perhaps the omen proc counts as a spell. Maybe even the critheal/-manaregen part of leader of the pack procs it?

Go read the links. It procs in catform with 0/0/0 talent points so that means there was no infected wounds or omen of clarity. Shred and Mangle proc'd it. Bearform it procs with mangle/maul if you have infected wounds.

This could be better than mongoose if you're at Arp and Crit cap which isn't a lot of people.

I did some math, and while I may have done some errors, it should be aimed well enough.
First of all, the two enchants.

Black Magic - 250 haste rating, 10sec every 35. With an effective 28.57% uptime, giving out an average 71.43 haste rating.
Disclaimer: this is assuming a 100% proc chance the second it comes off the Internal Cooldown, thus maximizing the uptime. Normally the uptime could be expected to be a bit lower.

Mongoose - 120 agility, 2% haste. Agility gets affected by SotF, Imp.MotW, and Kings, becoming a 142.72 agility buff. With the haste conversion at 25.22 per 1%, Mongoose's speed buff becomes a 50.44 rating.
At 2.5PPM gives a 61.67% uptime, netting 88.01 agility and 31.11 haste.
Disclaimer: Mongoose is a flat % increase, thus it stacks multiplicatively with the other effects. However, in this case, the difference is negligible. Also, I'm assuming a 2.5 effective PPM value because it's been tested to shift around from 2 to 3.

Situation: Arp capped, Crit capped, Hit and Expertise still below caps.
Basically, where you can expect a druid with top gear to be, following our regular priorities. This is 277 gear we're talking about (!).
The individual stats for this configuration can be obtained by any spreadsheet or software like RAWR. I won't copy all of them now.

At this point, while Hit and Expertise trump everything, Haste comes out as the best stat just after. Remember, we're gonna compare BM with Mongoose, thus we're leaving out both Hit and Expertise. Those can come from other means, but are irrelevant to the enchant comparison.

DPS values of each stat from Toskk (in this specific situation):
Haste: 2.4485
Agility: 1.9385

Black Magic: 71.43 * 2.4485 = 174.89 points
Mongoose: 88.01 * 1.9385 + 31.11 * 2.4485 = 246.78 points

As you can see, even beyond the crit cap, Mongoose nets a higher value of DPS points.
This is because, while BM offers twice the Haste, Mongoose also offers a good chunk of Agility, which still has quite some value from still boosting Bleeds' and Specials' crit chance, unaffected by the white cap.

In short: while Haste effectively is your best DPS stat, the extra rating granted by Black Magic over Mongoose isn't enough to overcome the value of all that Agility you would be losing.

You may want to add this to the cat/bear guide as well because I'm sure this will be a common question now.

Thanks for doing the math Arel!

That's up to Pask
I only manage the Bear guide, which is kind of irrelevant on this.