MMO-Champion - 10/25 Realm First, Vial of the Sands, Cata Prologue, Blue Posts
10/25-Man Shared Realm Firsts
Blizzard added the Realm First! feats of strength to the game in the latest Cataclysm beta build.


  • Realm First! Nefarian - First guild on the realm to defeat Nefarian in Blackwing Descent on Heroic difficulty while in a guild group.
  • Realm First! Al'Akir - First guild on the realm to defeat Al'Akir in the Throne of the Four Winds on Heroic difficulty while in a guild group.
  • Realm First! Sinestra - First guild on the realm to defeat Sinestra in the Bastion of Twilight on Heroic difficulty while in a guild group.

Today, Mumper answered revealed something very interesting on the official forums: the Realm First! achievements can be obtained in both 10 and 25-Man raids. So far, these achievements do not have any specific reward.
Originally Posted by Mumper (Blue Tracker)

They are available to both 10 and 25 player raids, whoever does it first.

Vial of the Sands - Alchemy Mount?
A new spell appeared in the latest beta build, the Vial of the Sands. According to the spell and reagents it looks like it will be an alchemy recipe available through Discoveries, the Vial of the Sands isn't a regular mount and will let you transform into a Sandstone Drake and carry an ally on your back!

  • Vial of the Sands - Teaches you how to transform into a dragon, allowing you to fly very fast and carry an ally on your back.





Pre-Cataclysm World Event on PTRs
Originally Posted by Daeleht (Blue Tracker)
Greetings,

The early stages of the pre-Cataclysm events have begun on the PTR's.

If you're encountering any problems with the events themselves or have any feedback please post them in this thread.

Enjoy!
The 3rd part of the event is now available on PTRs, Doomsayers are in capital cities and a new questline is available to infiltrate the Twilight's Cult.

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Twilight's Cult - Horde / Alliance Questline


Quest - Prophecies of Doom / Prophecies of Doom
Objective - Listen to a speech given by a Doomsayer in the Drag and obtain copies of the pamphlets "Elemental Fire for the Soul", "What Does 'The End of All Things' Mean for Me?", and "Finding Security and Comfort in a Doomed World".
Description
Harbingers of doom are nothing new on the streets of Orgrimmar, but I'm worried about this latest batch. These people are organized and they've attracted a lot of attention in the Drag, where they seem to congregate. I've thought about rounding them up or otherwise disrupting their activities, but that will just drive them underground. We need to find out more about them. Would you go to the Drag, listen to what these doomsayers are spreading, and gather any literature you can find about their ideas?

Quest - Signs of the Times / Signs of the Times
Objective - Setup 5 Warning Posters around the Valley of Strength, the Drag, or the Valley of Honor.
Description
We've got to do something to reduce interest in this doomsday cult, but I'm hesitant to take much action until we know more about who is behind this group. I've had my men place markers around heavily traveled areas in Orgrimmar. Take these posters and set them up where you see the markers. They won't discourage the most determined of seekers, but it's a first step in exposing this cult. The Horde has enough to deal with as it is, without people wilfully spreading lies too.

Quest - Infiltrating the Cult / Infiltrating the Cult
Objective - Speak to a Doomsayer Orgrimmar's Drag to join the cult, then put on your Recruit's Robe.
Description
The streets of Orgrimmar are wild with rumors about the cult's origins and practices. There's only one way to know the truth about this group, . You're going to join them. Approach one of the Doomsayers in the Drag and tell them you wish to join their group. With any luck, they will give you instructions to introduce yourself to one of the group's leaders and tell you where the group is hiding. Don any clothing given to you by the doomsayer; you'll need it to gain entry to the group's hideout.

Quest - Spreading the Word / Spreading the Word
Objective - While wearing your Doomsday Message, visit the East Zeppelin Tower, the West Zeppelin Tower, and the town square of Razor Hill.
Description
Welcome to the farm, . Everyone here works to earn keep. For some, that means caring for the animals. Others are responsible for working on our construction projects. Still others work to spread our message among the people and I think that's a good place for you to start. Take this board. It bears a short message about our beliefs. While wearing the board, visit the eastern and western zeppelin towers outside Orgrimmar's gates, as well as the town square of Razor Hill, to the south.

Quest - The Master's Plan / The Master's Plan
Objective - Learn more about the cult's plans at the altar in the eastern part of the Jaggedswine Farm.
Description
You're fitting in well here, , but there is more to us than daily chores and spreading the message. I'm sure you heard a little bit about it when you first joined. As you know, this world is ending and the unprepared will die painful deaths. We have been given a gift, an opportunity to become something greater and more powerful. Overseer Golbaz is will be preparing a ritual before the altar at the eastern end of the farm. Wait there for him, and learn more of your new brothers and sisters.

Quest - The Doomsday Plan / The Doomsday Plan
Objective - Take the Elemental Devices to Blood Guard Torek in Orgrimmar's Valley of Strength.
Description
The first batch of elemental devices are ready. Your task will be to conceal them inside the city of Orgrimmar. The devices will unleash their fire elementals at the proper time. Don't worry, , you'll be safely away before that happens. Do not do anything that would draw attention to yourself.

Quest - Thwarting Twilight's Hammer / Thwarting Twilight's Hammer
Objective - Break Elemental Devices to release their elementals. You must defeat 5 Raging Fire Elementals.
Description
You can't have been the only person sent into Orgrimmar to deploy those devices containing fire elementals. We have to find and disable the rest of the devices before set their captive elementals free and burn down the city. Are you familiar enough with the devices to destroy them? You need to break them open before the fire elementals inside have had time to reach full strength. They should be easy to defeat if you open the devices early. The cultists have probably put them all over the city.

Quest - Warn King Wrynn / Warn the Warchief
Objective - Speak with Thrall at Grommash Hold in Orgrimmar's Valley of Wisdom.
Description
You have successfully defended Orgrimmar from the threat posed by this Twilight's Hammer cult, , and without shedding the blood of our own people. Our enemy will not rest for long. I cannot imagine that Cho'Gall will accept defeat so easily. You must take word to Thrall. Go to the Valley of Wisdom and speak to him in Grommash Hold. Tell the warchief that our enemies have shown themselves and we must be prepared for their return.



Brewfest is Here
Originally Posted by Nethaera (Blue Tracker)

Celebrated by both the Horde and the Alliance, the Brewfest ( http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/events/brewfest/ ) is a time to enjoy the fermented fruits of the harvest: pretzels, cheese, and booze! The competing breweries Thunderbrew, Barleybrew, and the Ogres, all come together outside of all the major cities in a bid to outdo each other with their special ales, meads, and beers. This year's iteration of the holiday includes new achievements. Brewfest runs from September 20 to October 5.
If you're wondering why I didn't news about it earlier, there is your answer.
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
I’m sorry to say that, at present, there is no new Brewfest Stein for this year, nor is there planned to be.

Sincere apologies for any annoyance this may cause you, but hopefully some will be pleased by the ability to catch up on something missed out year. (Source)

[...] There may be nothing new for characters who have achieved everything in the previous year, but let's not generalize for the entire player base. (Source)

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Guild Reputation Leveling
You are currently only earning guild rep from questing. Based on this, your rep gain speed will be slow since you are missing out on the other two ways to earn it. (rated BG's and boss kills) We just activated guild xp on dungeons so you should see the rate increase from that. You will see another increase once rated BG's are active. Guild achievements will not affect guild rep since the xp that you earn goes directly to the guild and not the players.

We are watching the rep gain rate both internally and on the beta and we will tune as necessary right up to launch. Guild rep gain is scaled based on the amount of time we think a player should need to invest in a guild to earn the rewards and contribute. It's not something that you can just "grind out" like a normal world faction. (Source)

Tol Barad
Leaving Tol Barad
Portals that lead back to Stormwind and Orgrimmar will be present in the next build. These portals can be found on the peninsula island at your respective faction camps. We will also open a portal for the winning team at the raid entrance to Baradin Hold. (Source)

Tunnel System
Those 3 micro dungeons will be closed off during the main battle. Anyone in them will be kicked out. They are there to support daily questing in the zone between battles. (Source)

Tol Barad daily dungeon quests
Many of the features in Tol Barad have been a work in progress over the past few weeks. Our next push should be in a much more polished state and ready for testing. Thank you for all the reports, this info is extremely useful as we move along in development.

A few things to note:

--One of the three micro dungeons is chosen at random after each Tol Barad battle. This comes along with its accompanying quests. This is 100% random.

--These quests are ONLY available for the winners of the game and must be completed in the 2.5hrs before the next game starts.

--A total of 6 quests unlock for the winner of each game. 3 take place in one of the randomly chosen micros and the other 3 take place out on the island.

Hope that helps clear things up. (Source)

Reputation leveling
The rep vendors for both Baradin's Wardens and Hellscream's Reach will be fully available in the next build. We had a few hiccups in this last push.

Reputation for these Tol Barad factions can be earned from doing the daily quests, winning a tol barad battle, defeating the raid boss in Baradin Hold or by purchasing commendations from the rep vendors. (Source)

Respawns
The defenders respawn in the center of the island (Baradin Hold), and the attackers respawn at the graveyard nearest the node. So, in a straight fight where both sides are killing at the same effectiveness the defenders should eventually lose. So presumably, if you're fighting a losing battle as defense your better option is to try to re-secure one of the other points. (Source)

Classes
20% Melee/Ranged Haste
Is it just me or does this buff seem too good? In Cataclysm, haste is your main stat when it comes to increasing your resource generation. If you're in a raid group that does not have this buff, it greatly hinders your DPS.
It's not just you. (Source)

Tank damage on PTRs
The damage being done by Lich King-level mobs is currently higher than intended on the PTR. That's not a good surrogate for what tank healing will be like at 85 in appropriate gear. (Source)

Healing
Deep Healing Mastery
We like the shaman version. The druid one is problematic for a couple of reasons. Conceptually, a hot is often the last thing you think of putting on someone who is grievously wounded. Second, at the moment the bonus is only calculated on the initial application and not the ticks. If we can fix that problem, then the druid mastery would be better. It's also possible we'll just redesign it. (Source)

Druid (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
New Restoration Mastery
New Resto druid mastery: Increases the potency of your heals on targets upon which you have a hot.

It benefits both hots and direct heals equally while still supporting Resto being a healer that cares a lot about hots. It encourages layering different spells while disincentivizing Rejuv blanketing.

Examples:

1) You cast Regrowth on someone who has a Rejuv = bonus healing.
2) You cast Nourish on someone who has a Lifebloom = bonus healing.
3) You Swiftmend a Rejuv = bonus healing.
4) You cast a Rejuv on someone who does not have a Regrowth, LB or WG on them = no bonus healing.
5) You cast Rejuv on someone who has a Rejuv = no bonus healing. (You merely refreshed Rejuv.)
6) You cast a Wild Growth = bonus healing on those with preexisting hots.

C). Rejuv, then LBx3. Rejuv falls off, and LBx3 is refreshed by Nourish. Will the LB ticks retain the mastery benefit?
Yes. There was a hot on the target, so Nourish benefits (from the mastery in addition to Nourish just working that way).

If someone gets low and they don't have a HoT on them already, are you really going to want to put on a HoT, THEN a heal? Probably not.
My impression is that some of you are going from the extreme of "Rejuv everyone in the raid" to "Rejuv nobody but the tank." The reality will probably be somewhere in the middle. Some targets will have hots on them and some won't. The more hots you can keep up, the better off you'll be, but you'll have to balance that against the mana cost of doing so. I don't think it's as simple as "always do X." (Source)

Paladin (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Holy Paladins
We like the change to Daybreak. Read some more posts from fellow paladins if it doesn't make sense to you.

We're not assuming Conviction is up 100% of the time. Procs that are supposed to be up all the time are usually better designed as passives (unless ramp up time is a concern for some reason).

Light of Dawn now heals the paladin as well. We will be very surprised if we see many paladins skip the talent.

Let's keep the QQ under control. If you're so frustrated that our vision of the paladin doesn't align with yours or if you're blinded by rage that we can't see how much weaker you are than other healers, than you're better off just not posting. If you keep posting in this manner you'll just get banned anyway so the effect will be the same. (Source)

Priest (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Shadow Mastery Scaling
It's easy to increase the bonus per mastery point for Shadow if crit ends up being a far better stat. It's a little trickier to get Shadow (or any dot class) to devalue haste. (Source)

Use of Power Word: Shield as Discipline
We don't want Disc just bubbling everyone all the time. That strategy is too effective on live given how simple (and arguably boring) it is. Disc should use a lot PW:Shield a lot more than Holy, but that doesn't mean it should solve every problem for you.

I'm not seeing the massive throughput differences between Disc and Holy, even on the EJ post you're referencing. (Source)

Rogue (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Rogue concerns
Passive damage -- While the combat log says that you are doing a lot of auto attacking, it's not telling you the full story. A lot of what rogues have to manage (say SnD and Envenom) then boost your autoattacks or poison damage. If we changed SnD to instead be a separate dot for the same overall damage, all of a sudden your combat logs would show less "passive" damage. As long as good rogues can do better damage than bad rogues, we think it's fine.

Combat's mastery -- The big missing piece of the puzzle was that Main Guache was supposed to proc Combat Potency. Without that (which it now has), it is pretty lackluster.

20% melee / ranged haste buff -- This is something we're evaluating. It's a really serious buff for rogues and warriors particularly, to the extent that your dps drops significantly without it. This suggests we need to nerf the buff (in the same way we changed e.g. Curse of Elements from 13% to 8%) and buff affected classes to compensate. We just don't want the swing to be that big when you don't have it.

Mana reducing talents -- We just disagree that rogues are singled out here, though if you see some dps classes that can spend all of their points on dps and skip anything utiltiy related, please bring them up so we can evaluate them. It's always possible that the community (correctly or incorrectly) perceives a talent we intended to be optional utility as mandatory dps. (Source)

[...] Mana reducing talents = the OP was concerned about talents like Deadened Nerves that for PvE really translate into reducing the mana healers spend on heals. Apologies if I short-handed too much.

We want dps classes to consider these useful talents rather than just dismissing survival as the healers' jobs while they go into dps tunnel vision mode. The OP was expressing the concern that rogues had too many of these talents relative to other classes. I responded that I didn't think that was the case but players are welcome to point out other dps trees that don't match. (Source)

Warrior (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Heroic Strike / Inner Rage
As we have said several times now, there are zero players outside of these halls doing Cataclysm raids yet, and the high level PvP is just starting to get there. If we were certain warriors would never, ever get into a state where they couldn't spend rage fast enough with Heroic Strike alone, then Inner Rage might be a lot less important. We're just not convinced that is the case yet, nor do we think any amount of theorycrafting can prove that is the case without actual first-hand experience.

If normalization and the new HS model have fixed the problem forever, then awesome. It's just too early to know that. (Source)

AE Damage / Blood and Thunder
You shouldn't be dependent on Blood and Thunder to generate enough AE damage. It's there mostly for those cases where you can't always keep reapplying an AE ability but want to keep threat. In other words, a warrior who skips the talent shouldn't feel like they can't AE tank at all. You shouldn't feel like you have to open with Rend every AE pull. A more typical scenario would be on a fight where you know you're going to be AE tanking for a long time, you use Rend after your initial Thunder Clap or Shockwave. (Likewise, Thunder Clap buffing Shockwave shouldn't mean you never, ever touch Shockwave until the buff is applied.)
Thunder Clap's damage may just be too low.

We'll discuss pulling the GCD cost from Inner Rage. (Source)
This article was originally published in forum thread: 10/25 Realm First, Vial of the Sands, Cata Prologue, Blue Posts started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 181 Comments
  1. Lord Xavius's Avatar
    Blizzard, is it really that hard to reskin a small item like the stein? You could probably do it in a few hours!

    Quote Originally Posted by Maim View Post
    I dunno if im the only one who noticed this but why does the alliance doomsayers sign say "SALES" at the top
    It's to get people to pay attention to them, of course. Nothing attracts citizens and heroes alike like a SALES sign.
  1. Arthmael's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sorg View Post
    @Burygnome

    There will be no difference in gear between 10man und 25man so kudos to whoever does it on whatever mode.

    Only thing that has to be seen is if they succeed in balancing the difficulty in both modes so 10man won't be the pushover it is now.
    Yeah, wot he is saying though Snorg is that to do 10man you only need 10 5-hc geared players rather than 25. So ensidia/paragon and whoever is likely just to build 10man teams on the fly with the luckiest 10 players from 5mans. Not saying thats a bad thing though. Im sure by the time ensidia have thier 1st team 1/2 way through there 2nd team will be rdy 2 give it a go. After all it was the same b4 only with the luckiest 25 people ^.^
  1. Intwine's Avatar
    Ruby Sanctum.

    Cool mount, and glad we can go for the realmfirsts with our 10man guild.
  1. Whister's Avatar
    I'm very glad that my main character has JC+Alch xD
  1. Bravehéart's Avatar
    Amazing mount, love the transform idea not just for druids. Would be awsome if they made a cool transform animation too
  1. stormshadow243's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zerackiel View Post
    It's a nice gift for all alchemists!
    If Blizzard want us to keep our profession. They win.
    Well Taylors have the magic carpet, and Engineers have the flying machine, it's awesome that alchemists now get a flying mount of their own.
  1. khatsoo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vasz View Post
    Saw the drake and went "WOW"
    then i saw the incoming SnD nerf =/

    Still nothing on Ret pallys and warriors.
    ?

    There's not an incoming SnD nerf.
    They say it's fine that we, rogues, have that passive damage (cause it depends on us keeping SnD or Envenom buffs, etc.).
    They say our dps drops too much if we do not have available the 20% haste buff and intend to nerf the buff (the one provided by, for example, Frost DKs).
    So, where do you see any incoming SnD nerf? Learn to read and don't QQ that quickly :/

    PS: I would even call it an overall buff, as we will perform better (or at least like other dps classes) if we don't have that buff in our raid, we're not that dependent.
  1. LolphDundgren's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vasz View Post
    Saw the drake and went "WOW"
    then i saw the incoming SnD nerf =/

    Still nothing on Ret pallys and warriors.

    SnD?
  1. Shadamehr's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Boubouille View Post
    Vial of the Sands
    Binds when picked up
    Mount
    That makes me happy, an alchemy mount, but as for Brewfest not changing that is very disappointing, as the last 2 "events" listed on the calendar have been non events for me (Harvest Festival and Pirate's Day). I was really hoping there would be changes, or at least something for my main to do as I'm not one of those do every quest, every achievement on every toon type players. Blizzard really does need to keep these vents fresh and alive by making changes every year.
  1. huntsecker's Avatar
    within 5 minutes of reading of the alchemy dragon transformation mount i dropped mining and started leveling alchemy
  1. treston323's Avatar
    10mans getting realm first? What a joke.
  1. Raqubor's Avatar
    WOW, i'm so glad i'll be an engineer/alchemist in this expac... I WILL HAVE SO MUCH FUN!

    I'll be selling rides for lowbies on my back!

    Also: Is brewfest LIVE already? Isn't that usually in October?

    Edit 2: It's not SND that is getting nerfed it's the GROUP BUFFS from Winfdury Totem/Hunting Party.
  1. Torahn's Avatar
    Awww. I just wanted to go arround picking flowers and brewing potions on my warrior. Now I have to TRANSFORM INTO A DRAGON AND GIVE RIDES TO HOT CHICKS.

    That just ruined my night.
  1. Nida's Avatar
    "The 3rd part of the event is now available on PTRs, Doomsayers are in capital cities and a new questline is available to infiltrate the Twilight's Cult."

    Ehm, what was the 2nd part of the event?

    Edit: Ok, i got it, missed the 2nd page. It´s Ruby Sanctum.
  1. Dexiefy's Avatar
    shared achievement for both 10 and 25 man is pointless ~~
    10 man was, is and ALWAYS will be easier (exception was sarth3d, but then again its 1 fight in 2 years)
  1. Sny's Avatar
    Ooh, I'm hoping http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/57859/e...nderworld-nyi/ will be a mount for enchanters like the Vial of the Sands for alchemists, or else I'll be a bit jealous. Chanters haven't received much love in terms of diversity or fun items yet
  1. mikisulu's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sny View Post
    Ooh, I'm hoping http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/57859/e...nderworld-nyi/ will be a mount for enchanters like the Vial of the Sands for alchemists, or else I'll be a bit jealous. Chanters haven't received much love in terms of diversity or fun items yet
    Well, leatherworkers have the most boring bonuses and items, even enchanters/tailors have more funny stuff. Just so you wont be dissapointed if its something else than an enchanter item.
  1. Exclusive's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dexiefy View Post
    shared achievement for both 10 and 25 man is pointless ~~
    10 man was, is and ALWAYS will be easier (exception was sarth3d, but then again its 1 fight in 2 years)
    How do you know it will stay easier when Cata isn't out yet
  1. treston323's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sny View Post
    Ooh, I'm hoping http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/57859/e...nderworld-nyi/ will be a mount for enchanters like the Vial of the Sands for alchemists, or else I'll be a bit jealous. Chanters haven't received much love in terms of diversity or fun items yet
    That would be a bit overboard. Everybody would need to be able to get that, and it would need to be pretty rare also.

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