Patch 4.0.1 - PTR Build 13082

Demon leap is back and better than ever!
I was a tad unsatisfied with a usual stun with a jump that didn't really... get you anywhere.

It hope it's like it was WotLK beta with a target area this time.

moar hunter and warrior changes pls!

Originally Posted by lanceb

yes i know that, but its broken, numpty
the warriors threat when multitanking on the ptr is almost non existant, singletargets is no probs
paladins have simmilar issues with RF, we just dont gain enough threat to keep up with the large amount of agro the dps do.
even a healers have a higher threat gain than the tanks...

That might be because they removed all the passive -x threat talents. So you have dps doing tons of damage, and way more threat than they used to, while you as a tank are doing less. This is at least true with warriors and paladins. Our threat generation..blah why rehash something that is already know. The blues even posted about it, but yeah.

Advice: consider a druid or a dk.

I've been playing PTR with my Protection Paladin lately. Threat isn't easy - but it's also not broken. DPS need to cool their jets for 5-10 seconds before they unload - after that, my Vengeance has built up enough to keep me running just fine.

The only time I had someone pulling threat off of me was a DPS DK who was still in Blood Presence... so yeah.

Originally Posted by lanceb

still no changes about the warriors extreme lack of dps

Personally I feel that perhaps your itemization is off. I found that the largest portion of my DPS came from white hits. It was consistantly about 35%. I made sure I was hit capped, and I mean 24% with precision hit capped. Then, all other reforging went to Haste. In my red slots I have Bold Card's (+20 STR), Yellow slots are Fierce Ametrines (+10 STR / +10 HST) and my blue slots are Etched Ametrines (+10 STR / +10 HIT). It is important to note that they are known as Etched Ametrines on live however, on the PTR HIT was converted to a blue gem and therefore the name has changed on the PTR. 2 of my blue slots are straight HIT just so I could get that last bit for the cap. I managed to pull 7k consistantly on the dummy. On live I'm honestly only able to manage around 5.5k to 6k on the test dummies. for me 6k on a dummy translates to 13k in ICC with the full 30% buff. I'm hoping that I see the same correlation when the new patch drops.

Try out the settup. The worst that happens is you decide I'm an idiot and do something different. After all... It is only the PTR. :P

Originally Posted by Meizor

Mind spike now causes "high threat" what is this? they making shadow priests tanking? :P

Well, warlocks have Searing Pain.

why ecactly is demonic leap > heroic leap? I mean ... it's a warlock ...isn't soullink enough?

Originally Posted by Spotnick

Well, warlocks have Searing Pain.

Searing pain does far less aggro than Incinerate, simply because it doesn't do any damage Priests are in a completely different situation with their mindspike...

Originally Posted by Evory

Just got an email today from the company where i ordered my collectors edition of cataclysm informing me that it has been set for November 5th date.

I got an email in early September from Amazon that Cataclysm will be send around November 04-06. I also got an email from them a week ago stating it will be more like December 2010. I honestly don't know what to believe, we'll just have to wait and see I guess...

On the topic: Good thing boomkins got nerfed, solar beam should never have been much more than a good interrupt

i messed up my post...sigh

---------- Post added 2010-09-29 at 08:14 PM ----------

Originally Posted by ethzero

I suppose trash DPS is important right?

in cata? yes...obviously you haven't done much research

Originally Posted by seventhsin

My point is there's still a possibility they will give those arena people a chance to spend their recently earned points and/or rating to buy some items before they take out the vendors. Maybe they will maybe they won't but it's still a possibility.

With all the major changes in gear itemization, gemming and enchanting I think it'd be a bad idea to let people spend money on gear right before 4.0.1 ships. I'm going to throw my money on 4.0.1 coming out the same day season 8 ends.

Originally Posted by Zaelthras

Here goes my first post,

Mind Spike is a lead into Mind blast. It currently is a big part of my rotation/priority in beta. I mindspike twice(to reduce MB cast time to 0) and immediately hit Mindblast. If I don't have to refresh my dots at this time, I mindflay in between. It is now a timing issue of how much time do you have to get in two Mindspikes before your mindblast comes off cooldown.

Other than that, SW: Death should always be on cd for mana regen reasons.

If I'm not careful, I can easily top a tank in aggro with the burst I get during a MS, MS, MB, SWeath combo. I honestly don't think it needs the threat increase. Maybe people are just spamming it regardless of other CD's and noticing a dps increase? I haven't looked into it. but I'm pretty sure blizzard wants the 2 MS's, and 1 MB combo to only occur a bit before MB is off cool down.

just my 2 cents.

- Zael

They're trying to keep it out of main rotations while not messing with its usefulness in PvP. Adding more threat to it hardly seems like the answer to that, but meh. Baby steps.

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Regardless of its effect on final balance, it makes me grumble that Warlocks are getting the real Heroic Leap and warriors aren't.

Originally Posted by Rhigo

Yea like Starfall isnt OP

Starfall is OP against bad players!

Originally Posted by ethzero

4.0.1 won't include the new Race/Class combinations. That's in 4.0.3, alongside the new zones, etc. Azeroth flying, the new races, Archaeology, Guild Leveling and the 80-85 zones are Cataclysm-only. (Actually Guild Leveling might not be Cataclysm-only, but either way it will most likely stay disabled until the expansion is released.

4.0.1 WILL introduce the new talent trees, pre-Cataclysm quests and events, Reforging, and the end of Season 8.



The patches are apparently on target for their respective release dates, but the expansion itself was likely delayed until late November. I doubt they would release Cataclysm after Thanksgiving Day, apparently games released after that day see reduced sales. That and Blizzard have never released a game or expansion after Thanksgiving, from memory. For once I actually doubt Boub's accuracy on this one.

I don't know about the reduced sales thing. After all, if it came out on December 7th or 14th like some people think it would be hitting just in time for the tons of people, including anyone that is under 18, to be buying it up like candy for christmas gifts

cool artwork you guys have!

hello there!

Originally Posted by Blur4stuff

4.0.1 on oct 12th then i guess

whats with the 12th of october?