MMO-Champion - Cataclysm Dev Chat with BestBuy
Cataclysm Dev Chat with BestBuy
The dev chat is now over, see the transcript below.
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

Cataclysm - General
Has Blizzard considered adding a "Tabards Tab" to the UI, so that tabard collectors can switch out tabards more effectively without having to take up bank and bag space? --Thanks! Deathunholy of Galakrond
We have talked about adding a tabard tab. We've talked about doing a closet tab to handle it. It isn't something we are adding for Cataclysm though.

Will you allow players to fill their quest log with say, 25 dailies, and then turn them in right after Midnight on December 7th to get a quick boost towards 85? This is how it worked in the beta, but some players are confused on whether it will work on Live. Thanks!
Regarding 25 daily quests to turn in when the expansion goes live, this is something players have been able to do for the last 2 expansions and we aren't talking about changing it now.

I understand the decision from an economic perspective but I was wondering if the deveopers were disappointed in the decision to allow race changes immediately following the release of the expansion.
Regarding allowing race/faction change on day one. Actually this wasn't an economic decision at all. This was a decision that the leadership team made. Our priority as a dev team is to allow players to play the game with their friends, the way they want too. We also talked about the fact that this is a week one problem. So we made the decision not to restrict anything.

Will darnasus be re built to be a real tree or will it always look like a dead stump with trees at the top.
- ...but now that Deathwing is doing his thing it makes much more sense than it used to! ;]
- Deathwing hates trees.

A lot of players I know are trying to plan out what characters to roll for the new expansion, and the big question is: Will there be ANY new realms tagging along with the release of Cataclysm? Some point to low pop realms as a reason against, but surely with the redux'd 1-60 experience and the droves of returning players desiring clean slates, there has never been a better time for a fresh realm or two?
We haven't decided exactly what the new realm decisions are yet, but we open new realms when there is player demand for them. One thing we can't do is plan all realms for day one. The goal is for realms to have good concurrency so everyone has a great game/matchmaking experience.

With the changes to the game environment itself, what new computer requirements will be optimal to run the game smoothly?
One of the things that is really important to us is a great gaming experience regardless of your hardware. While the system requirements do go up over time, we do want the experience on slower machines to be great. We do this by trying to add a lot of graphical options to allow players to control the experience from "runs fast" all the way to "looks great".

where did Uldum come from?
- Egypt ;]
- The idea with Uldum is that it has always been there, cloaked from the eyes of the players. The emergence of Deathwing has damaged some of the technology that kept it hidden. There is a story in the zone that explains this and what has been happening in the player absence.

Why is it that we are not able to use Archeaology before the exspansion? I thought it was really cool how you guys released Inscription last time and would love to have the opportunity to level it before the exspansion drops.
Using archeology before the expansion was something we talked about, but ended up adding everything about the profession to the "post sundered" world. Thus, you won't be able to use archeology before the sundering happens.

What happened with the Worgen district in Stormwind?
We decided it didn't really fit very well, it was looking kind of awkwardly forced into the city. Plus deathwing would have destroyed it anwyays.

What would you say was the hardest and/or easiest parts of developing this expansion? After all, many are saying this is the best expansion to date... So, what was the biggest challenge/easiest feat in creating it?
There have been huge challanges with this expansion, unlike any we've seen in the other two expansions. The scale of Cataclyms is huge for us, and something we didn't really expect when we started development. But we certainly feel like the effort has been worth it, and feel it's our best expansion so far.

Will you allow players to change their login screen? I'd love to be able to use the Classic login screen, the unreleased one that was shown at Blizzcon, or perhaps a login screen of a previous expansion.
Players are not able to change their login screen.

Will the option ever be available to change ones class, contingent upon what's currently available to the race restrictions at the time?
Never say never, but we don't currently have plans to do that.

Was there anything you guys regret not being able to include at launch? Possibly something that didn't have enough polish to it that me way see in the future? (You don't need to mention the Dance Studio at this point, really, it's okay)
Well... there is the dance studio. ;] There are of course always things we'd hoped to get into any patch/expansion that get pushed out until later. One example would be the idea to have a built-in atlas that details every encounter in each dungeon/raid. We're not super happy about the fact that the first time anyone encounters a new boss, the only way to learn about it (other than looking up strategies on the web) is to charge in and die a lot.

We'd love to give players some idea of what they're about to fight before they engage the boss. =]

When designing expansions and content patches, do you have a list of new features to choose from that are planned out in advance or is there more of a brain storm session?
The feature set for each patch is determined by a combination of doing things (or finishing things) that we've been wanting to do for a while, along with completely new ideas that emerge as a result of the immediate needs of the game

The primary things you won't be able to do if you don't have Cataclysm are create a new Goblin/Worgen, level to 85, and fly in the orld world.

We like to stay as flexible as possible, so it's important to us to make sure that we aren't "over planned" into the future even though the real needs players have are changing

WIth the previous two expansions, the new content was actually on other continents, so if you didn't have the expansion, you just couldn't visit the continent. Since Cata is largely reworking of old-world content, however, how do you differentiate between someone with or without the xpac? What kinds of things will and won't be available to players don't have the upgrade?
See my answer above!

Will the 80 to 85 experience be closer to the 18hr mark or the 5 day mark that was 70-80?
That totally depends on the player to be honest, you'd be amazed by the differences in play patterns. That being said, somebody usually finds a way to level up very quickly.

What new feature(s) in WoW: Cataclysm are you guys most proud of?
I would have to say the 1-60 revamp, it's a ton of fun to play through the zones and an incredible amount of new content.

I'm most happy with the new Worgen and Goblin starting experiences. I think they are the best starting experience we've ever done, and that includes the death knight.

i have is why not have this latest expansion as a new territory like a Southrend similar to Northrend or a Moon body like Outlands instead of destroying Azeroth and Kalimdor? Were there limitations to expanding outwards or was this just to facelift the original game?
We make decisions like this on a case by case basis.. again depending on the needs of the game. In the case of Cataclysm, the world was due in for an overhaul, and we wanted to make everything fly-able, so it was important to flesh out any areas that were originally unfinished.

Is there an alternative mount for worgens that other races can ride
Worgen can ride the other mounts in the game, if that's what you're asking. They're not limited to their feral run.

Raids & Dungeons
Will it be as long of a wait to fight Deathwing as it was for Lich King?
Hopefully not, we definitely have a goal to get our content patches out more quickly than we have in the past, without sacrificing quality of course, we plan for deathwing to be the most amazing encounter we've ever made! =]

Could you comment on the plan for raids in cataclysm? If i remember it was said that there would be smaller raids in cata but more of them. Would that mean like two small raids per patch or more patches in total?
The idea is that we'll have more raid environments, but fewer bosses in each environment, but a similar total number of raid bosses overall... if that makes sense. =] so, for cataclysm launch we have the skywall environment, the twilight bastion environment, and blackwing descent, versus having almost all the bosses in one environment like we did with naxrammas.

The first tier of Cataclysm raiding has 3 seperate instances to tackle. Are you guys planning on keeping with the Burning Crusade model (SSC/TK, BT/Hyjal) and having multiple instances per raid tier? Will Deathwing have to share the spotlight with some other instance?
We'll evaluate that on a tier by tier basis. When we have awesome ideas that we can successfully make happen we'll do multiple environments, but it won't necessarily always be the case. We do have a super cool idea for the deathwing tier though... ...or at least so we hope. =]

I have been confused from the different posts for tier gear. Will there be three levels within each tier still or just heroic and normal and in either case will u just be getting them with points or will u still have to get certain things off drops off certain bosses to get the higher more heroic version of the tier gear?
There is still just normal and heroic difficulty for the raid and dungeon content, and the heroic gear has a higher item level than the corresponding normal gear

Is there any talks of maybe some faction cooperative campaigns? Since the cataclysm is threatening to destroy all life of azeroth, to me a logical response from the heroes of azeroth would be to set aside their differences and be able to work together in a raid. An Idea to maybe lessen the frequency of such groups is make the raid difficulty increase by choosing to work with the other faction, a sort of Heroic mode. Possibly even dual faction specific raids. Has there been any talks of such poss...
This is a common request, but not something we are looking to do. While there is a singular main bad guy in this expansion, the Horde and Alliance have their own unique challenges and agendas, and typically don't look to team up. After all it's the World of Warcraft, not the World of Peacecraft.

Patch 4.0.3a
Can you clarify and confirm what will be available to players when 4.0.3a hits and what will be unavailable until 7th Dec?
4.0.3a will be the patch that actually causes the world to shatter and change forever. At that point you will be able to experience the new 1-60 leveling experience, as well as the new race/class combinations.

Achievements
There's any through about making account wise achievement, like starcraft ones? It a reason for many players to not reroll/change mains since its look like a lot of work wasted when you switch your main char. Even changing to another char to help with one fight look a bit wrong now, if you are after achievements.
We do have plans to solve this problem, as it is limiting people from re-rolling for sure. This is something we want to solve, but don't have a good solution on how to do it at the moment.

Will achievment points ever be able to be used to purchase any perks?
We have no plans to allow this. Achievements are a badge of honor only.

Items
Will the heirloom items scale to 85?
The current plan is to have heirloom items stop at level 80 at the moment.

I was wondering what new and exciting mounts there will be and what your favorite so far is?
Not surprisingly there are all kinds of new mounts, we have spectral wolf/horse mounts, a dark phoenix, a camel, the new alchemy mount that turns you into a drake can ride, among others. Also a scorpion for the horde and a lion for the alliance. My favorite has to be the camel though... i mean really, who doesn't want to be a camel jockey?!

Will there be more than one Legendary weapon in Cata? Will there be a Caster DPS legendary? Any info or plans would be awesome =) Thanks!
It's likely there will be more than one legendary weapon, although it's too early to say for sure. We do, however, have a plan to do a caster dps staff soon.

With the level 1-80 Heirloom items, when Cataclysm is released will the xp gain work while leveling until you hit level 81? Or will XP gain be disabled for those on release?
They will not. Heirlooms stop granting their XP bonus at level 80. Not level 80.999999.

Why does it seem the scorpion guild mount doesn't have a guild flag where the lion does? I was hoping to see Hordes of scorpions from our guild walking around with our tabard hanging from the tail like a flag behind them. ~
When riding a scorpion mount, your character displays holding a large standard with your guild symbol on it.

Why did you decide to make 310% mount speed purchasable in 4.0? It's a huge price for such a tiny speed upgrade, and used to work well as a just-above-vanity perk for people who completed the toughest achievements.
The primary reason was to equalize the awesome vanity mounts players had, and change the mechanic to one where you used the mount you were most excited about using. We wanted players to be able to see the mount players want, without considering the speed differential as a factor.

How would a person get a Guild Mount? Would it be guild rep? If so how would that be calculated or obtained?
Once your guild gets to a high enough level and unlocks the guild mount, any player in the guild with a high enough guild reputation is able to buy the mount.

Will heirloom items work for goblins and worgens leveling from 1-80 at release?
Heirloom items will work perfectly for Worgen and Goblin characters! Enjoy!

Has there been any discussion of changing the heirloom items to true "Bind on Account" instead of the bind on server limitation that it has currently?.
That is something we would like to do. Currently the servers mail carriers refuse to work together, and haven't worked out the economic terms from transferring mail from one server to another. One day we hope to resolve the union issues.

Do honor points and Badges roll over into CATA, or do they reset to zero?
Yes, honor points and justice points carry over into cataclysm. Stock up now!

Player vs. Player
Do you feel faction imbalance is a problem at the moment? My queue is around 10-15 min at prime time as a member of the Horde and I know this is the case on at least two of the battlegroups. If so, do you think Worgen will fix the problem? And if they do not, will free faction changes ever be a possibility in the future on battlegroups or servers with a major problem?
We are working on some technology to further combine the PVP queues at server sites. This has been going on behind the scenes for a few weeks now in preparation for Cataclysm. Queue time is one of those things that gets a lot of attention and time, but will change significantly post Cata. Really good question.

Are there any plans to potentially add queueing to the rated battlegrounds instead of it having to be a pre-made raid team? I was really excited when I first heard about this feature, but after reading the FAQ i was a bit disappointed with that design.
we're currently looking into the possibility of having players in the honor battleground queue be able to be called to action by groups that aren't quite full, but we're going to see how the current queue'ing works out first so, that isn't something that would be available just yet

Classes
With resource systems now broadened to include focus, rage, energy, and runic power as well as mana, and there being conditionals like enrages, holy power, combo points and runes, will classes that just use mana be getting similar treatment or remaining as they are?
Really that decision is made on a class-by-class, talent tree-by-tree basis. If we feel like the talent spec in question needs a broader resource management then we do it, but we don't like to unnecessarily complicate a spec's resource management if it isn't absolutely necessary.

Death Knight (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
As the world of Azeroth is changing I was wondering if the Death Knight zone will stay the same or will it also be affected by the cataclysm?
The death knight zone doesn't have any changes for Cataclysm.

Druid (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Is the Moonkin form for troll and worgen on the beta and ptr the final form or is it just a placeholder?
Final!

Mage (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Right now, up to 50% of Ignite damage disappears due to the technical limitations of spells critting within certain timeframes. This has implications for Mage dps and the value of Mastery as a stat. Is overall damage being balanced to compensate and can we expect a solution in the near future?
We're resolving that by rolling up any "lost" ignite damage into the next ignite that overwrote it

Warlock (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Are there any plans for a new Lock mount? I would love to see a possible flying mount for Locks..
One of the things we look at with mounts is broad appeal. While we do specific class mounts from time to time, most of the time we look to have mounts that all classes can use.

Warrior (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Is Hit rating intended to tramp all other stats but Str for Fury till the 27% hardcap? Seems excessive
Generally speaking, we do balance hit rating to be the "best" stat until you're at the hit rating cap
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Comments 133 Comments
  1. Starka's Avatar
    I was the one who asked the Troll/Worgen Moonkin question.

    I've searched and searched and there had been no confirmation one way or the other before now if it was a placeholder. People said it was, people said it wasn't, people said they're going to upgrade all the Moonkin forms in 4.1 (maybe they still will, I don't know).

    I asked because obviously I play a Boomkin, and lets be honest Troll racials are the best for Boomkins period. The only thing holding me back was if the forms were finalized or not, so come 4.03a I'll race change to Troll.


    I only wish I'd tacked on a question about if the flight forms would be in 4.03a as well since they aren't on the PTR.

    I was annoyed at all the questions about heirlooms and achievement points, and the ones that you'd see on the suggestion forums all the time.

    So if people really felt my question was horrible, sorry. But as I said I'd looked, there was nothing I could find that was one way or the other about the forms.

    ---------- Post added 2010-11-18 at 11:13 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by dumkin View Post
    Why is it that we are not able to use Archeaology before the exspansion? I thought it was really cool how you guys released Inscription last time and would love to have the opportunity to level it before the exspansion drops.
    Using archeology before the expansion was something we talked about, but ended up adding everything about the profession to the "post sundered" world. Thus, you won't be able to use archeology before the sundering happens.


    Then why isnt archaeology on the 4.0.3a PTR? :s

    Because they just said they wanted it in Cataclysm itself not before. Stop reading your own meaning into things and read what Blizzard is actually trying to tell you.

    4.03a = Shattering, cata = post shattering world.
  1. perera's Avatar
    The questions were better than I expected. The answers were 'ok', some of them pretty much avoided the topic as usual.
  1. Argroth's Avatar
    The person who answered these questions did not do a very good job. One example, they completely missed the point of the "Is there an alternative mount for worgens that other races can ride?", seriously how did the answerer mess that up? another thing i didn't like was how they answered the Moonkin form question with "Final!" like its a good thing that they arn't changing it or something . So much fail in how blizzard responds to customers, they act like they are being so generous while avoiding main issues and problems within the game all the while sucking money from customers and making shitty things like the PetStore and avoiding previous statements like dance studio and arena spectating.

    While I'm looking forward to the revamped world I have a feeling that the leveling from 80-85 will be far to fast and considerably lackluster because of how fast one will blow through limited content.

    While I know there are more mounts than they mentioned in this post they seem to be hyped on the crappiest ones; other than the alchemy mount and horde mount the rest are boring, ooo reskins and a crummy camel.
  1. Vasz's Avatar
    Oh snap! The alchemy mount transforms you, so its not a mount, but a travel form. Great times!
  1. Eleveneleven's Avatar
    I'll tell you who doesn't want to be a camel jockey Blizzard...every American citizen.
  1. Marzenia's Avatar
    - Deathwing hates trees.

    Fuck you trees. I hate you too.

    *This is not a commercial*

    Best Buy - why you are so surprised?? They sell the game... and they have World of Warcraft® Cataclysm lottery thingy.

    But it doesn't matter.... since

    DEATHWING HATES TREES

    I wonder if he hates druid trees too...
  1. Ken_Silver's Avatar
    The Worgen district didn't fit in well with Stormwind...

    "WAT?!?"

    NEED MORE RAGE!

    So the effin tree in Darnassus that no one ever uses is better? Dang it Blizz! Just stick the tree in the Exodar, at least we know no one goes there.

    I'm exaggerating my rage here, but still. Reconsider that one, please? Worgen/Gilneans belong to the Eastern Kingdoms, why are they not there? -_-
  1. Essarim's Avatar
    i have is why not have this latest expansion as a new territory like a Southrend similar to Northrend or a Moon body like Outlands instead of destroying Azeroth and Kalimdor? Were there limitations to expanding outwards or was this just to facelift the original game?
    Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

    Also, what the flying donkey fuck?
  1. Palamania's Avatar
    Usually I get the impression that the people asking the questions are slightly retarded, but here I would say some of answers don't correspond to the questions asked and in some cases, are just plain dumb. Can there ever be a good Q and A? -.-
  1. rboa's Avatar
    and again with a comment like "Our priority as a dev team is to allow players to play the game with their friends, the way they want too."

    What about not being in a guild???? That is going to suck so much.
  1. Strakha's Avatar
    "RE: Uldum The emergence of Deathwing has damaged some of the technology that kept it hidden. There is a story in the zone that explains this and what has been happening in the player absence. "
    Didn't something almost exactly like this happen in Final Fantasy 8?(Which I'm sure they probably stole the idea too.)

    Also, I wonder if Blizzard is under estimating the fact that race cars are really awesome and the Goblin areas are going to be flooded with 80s as well who want to get Goblin rep for their mounts.

    Gonna be an awful few weeks in that area.
  1. BldCrow's Avatar
    What I tried to ask when I managed to get into the chat:

    1.) Have you fixed the issue with worgen's having a fifth leg in the running wild mode?
    2.) Wouldn't it look less terrible if they just had a modified wolf form for travel rather than a humanoid crawling really fast?
    3.) If you want us to play the way we want, how come the only heirlooms available for 80+ are for guilds? People in leveling guilds have less issue in this department as it is and it makes the soloer crippled in comparison.
    4.) Will there be a glyph for druids to remain in tree form when healing as a cosmetic-only if they want the option (ie minor glyph). Some people are really going to miss being in tree form when they're left with only seconds now. What was the point in designing new trees?
    5.) You talk about the much needed love the original content needed and the revamp of the world and leveling experience. Why haven't you updated the original character models to the level that we see with the goblins and worgen...or even with the belves and space goats? This question has been rather avoided.
    6.) Why are you making such a big fuss over deathwing and saying he's going to be released much earlier in raid thank LK was? You're not going to release another expansion that soon and we all suspect that an old god is behind all of this anyways, given the involvement of the elementals with Deathwing and that the twilight cult is involved.
    -- I havent done the research well enough on this, but question to MMO-Champions: What are the final racials? As they stand, some suck massively. --
    7.) Are you fixing the bugs occurring in the old game anytime soon and does this concern you as to what problems lay in wait for release day? Currently icecrown is buggier than AOL 1.0, mobs in instances are requiring skinning level 470, and I hear Shadowmourne is a world drop (not sure if that's intentional)
    8.) A blue posted somewhere that the LK couldnt have unique item models because the number of variations of the raids (IE different loot for 10man, 25, reg, heroic). Does this mean that itemization will be truly unique in Cataclysm? Saying that "the other bosses in a raid are copying off Deathwing, not the other way around." just doesn't quite cut it.
    9.) Can we change the BM "uber" talent to be that the pets get their exotic ability rather than the spec being the only capable of using certain beasts? Certain raid buff/debuff abilities on pets are unevenly distributed amongst the classes (ferocity, cunning, tenacity). Is there a way we can spread this out or redistribute? Certain abilities are only available to Exotic pets, and to make matters worse they're on tanking pets. And can we flip carrion birds with birds of prey? That just always felt weird to me. You would think the hunters would be the dps pets while things like condors (scavengers, if you will) would be cunning. Crow = cunning. Eagle = ferocious. (that last one is obviously just preferential)

    I never got a chance to ask any of these and I was in the chat.
  1. Gratlim's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Roflomnom View Post
    Is the Moonkin form for troll and worgen on the beta and ptr the final form or is it just a placeholder?
    Final!

    Fuck you Blizz.
    Fuck you.
    This pretty much xD
  1. Eleveneleven's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by BldCrow View Post
    What I tried to ask when I managed to get into the chat:

    1.) Have you fixed the issue with worgen's having a fifth leg in the running wild mode?
    That's not an issue. They're just that well endowed.
  1. Renovo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Eaker View Post
    "i mean really, who doesn't want to be a camel jockey?!"

    wow really blizzard
  1. Argroth's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Strakha View Post
    Didn't something almost exactly like this happen in Final Fantasy 8?(Which I'm sure they probably stole the idea too.)

    Also, I wonder if Blizzard is under estimating the fact that race cars are really awesome and the Goblin areas are going to be flooded with 80s as well who want to get Goblin rep for their mounts.

    Gonna be an awful few weeks in that area.
    the first 10-12 levels for goblins will be in a phased area where no one but goblins can visit (and only while they are leveling those levels). It's kinda a screw job to deny all this content to every other player but it will cut down crowds slightly around the starting zones (2 islands that can't be visited later). Eventually yea there will be some crowding from the 12+ level areas but that will basically only be a bit of azhara and from there it diverges.

    What I find most annoying is that everyone but low level goblins will be locked out of two whole islands of content including quests, rare hunter pets and possibly even unique rewards. Gilneas is slightly different, I heard that the worgen starting stuff will also be very phased and that Gilneas will become a deadzone afterwards, so people get screwed there too but at least they can visit it, go "ooooo, ahhhhh" at all the new stuff and possibly see some rare/new random models standing around. Basically though both starting zones go to waste after a brief active time.
  1. Leggomyeggo's Avatar
    Dang, no hunter questions and feedback. Oh well. I'm always glad to hear from the developers.
  1. Lemons's Avatar
    "We have talked about adding a tabard tab. We've talked about doing a closet tab to handle it. It isn't something we are adding for Cataclysm though."

    Noes! I need that tabard tab! I got a whole 20 slot bag filled with tabards ffs. A closet would be even more awesome if you could hang up old gear sets in there as well. Blizz needs to spend .0001% of their zillions of dollars and make it happen!
  1. dumkin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by dumkin View Post
    Why is it that we are not able to use Archeaology before the exspansion? I thought it was really cool how you guys released Inscription last time and would love to have the opportunity to level it before the exspansion drops.
    Using archeology before the expansion was something we talked about, but ended up adding everything about the profession to the "post sundered" world. Thus, you won't be able to use archeology before the sundering happens.


    Then why isnt archaeology on the 4.0.3a PTR? :s

    Thus, you won't be able to use archeology before the sundering happens.

    Sorry, but I misunderstood this and thought he meant 4.0.3a here.
  1. Strakha's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Argroth View Post
    the first 10-12 levels for goblins will be in a phased area where no one but goblins can visit (and only while they are leveling those levels). It's kinda a screw job to deny all this content to every other player but it will cut down crowds slightly around the starting zones (2 islands that can't be visited later). Eventually yea there will be some crowding from the 12+ level areas but that will basically only be a bit of azhara and from there it diverges.

    What I find most annoying is that everyone but low level goblins will be locked out of two whole islands of content including quests, rare hunter pets and possibly even unique rewards. Gilneas is slightly different, I heard that the worgen starting stuff will also be very phased and that Gilneas will become a deadzone afterwards, so people get screwed there too but at least they can visit it, go "ooooo, ahhhhh" at all the new stuff and possibly see some rare/new random models standing around. Basically though both starting zones go to waste after a brief active time.

    How are we going to get Goblin rep to get race cars? Are they de-phasing the zone after a while?

    Kind of disappointing as the race cars were the coolest part of the whole thing to me.

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