MMO-Champion - Tol Barad Honor Change + Bridge Exploit
Update - Added Cataclysm Hotfixes - Updated Jan. 3 at the bottom of the post, keeping the Tol Barad announcement on top a little more because of how ridiculously important it is.

Tol Barad Honor Change + Bridge Exploit
The good old days are over, sorry guys!
Originally Posted by Zarhym (Blue Tracker)
As you’re probably aware by now, an update was applied to Tol Barad shortly before the holidays which granted the attacking side 1800 Honor Points for a victory. While the goal with that change was to provide more incentive for the attacking forces to claim victory, it ultimately led to an undermining of the spirit of competition in Tol Barad. We’ve just applied a hotfix which has lowered the attacking faction’s gain to 360 Honor Points for a victory. The defending faction will still earn 180 Honor Points for a victory.

We appreciate all of your feedback regarding this change. We'll continue working to make Tol Barad a fun and engaging PvP environment.

Whats the word on the bridge exploit?
We're working on a fix for this right now.

Update Cataclysm Hotfixes - Updated Jan. 3
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
Here you will find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to the release of patch 4.0.3a and World of Warcraft: Cataclysm. While many have already been deployed on all realms, some may not be implemented until the next time your realm is restarted. We will continue to update this thread in the days ahead as additional hotfixes are applied.

January 3
Mage (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
  • Flame Orb and Frostfire Orb no longer break any version of Polymorph.

Paladin (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
  • Righteous Fury is now unable to be dispelled.
  • The Strength bonus from the Retribution version of Guardian of Ancient Kings now applies its bonus based on total Strength instead of just base Strength.

Dungeons & Raids
Bastion of Twilight
  • It was sometimes possible for Arion to instantly Chain Lightning the targets affected by Lightning Rod, with no time for them to react. This has been corrected.
  • If one of the three most distant targets from Ignacious was 20 or fewer yards away and Ignacious picked that target for Inferno Leap, the spell would fail entirely, but the cooldown would be consumed. Inferno Leap can now be cast on players 20 yards or fewer away from Ignacious.
  • The Elementium Monstrosity will now prefer ranged targets to melee targets with its Electrical Instability beams. If there are more beams active then there are ranged targets present, then the beams will start hitting melee targets.
  • Flame Destruction cast during the Cho'gall encounter now does approximately 30% more damage per stack on Heroic difficulty.

Blackwing Descent
  • Sonar Pulse is now spawned on top of Atramedes' current location and will spawn regardless of where Atramedes is tanked. In addition, Sonar Pulse now idles for 1 second after being cast before they move away from their spawn location.
  • It is no longer possible to use immunities to reset a player's sound bar while fighting Atramedes.
  • Atramedes' Sonic Breath now properly ignores line of sight.
  • Spirit of Ironstar's Shield of Light was taking too long to break and now absorbs less damage.

Deadmines
  • Divine Shield prevents all damage from the Sparks in the Mechanical Nightmare.
  • The Foe Reaper 5000 will not cast Harvest on players more than 70 yards away.

Grim Batol
  • Trogg Dwellers which cannot be reached by players via legitimate means no longer award experience or drop loot if killed.

Lost City of the Tol'vir
  • Lockmaw's Frenzied Crocolisks have learned how to swim! In addition, Vicious Poison was doing too much damage and has been reduced slightly.

Throne of the Four Winds
  • Players now receive credit for the achievements Heroic: Conclave of Wind or Throne of the Four Winds if they are dead when the encounter is defeated.
  • It is no longer possible to fully resist Wind Burst from Al'Akir, avoiding all damage and knockback.
  • Al'Akir's Static Shock has been changed from a damage-over-time spell with interrupts on ticks (10-second cooldown), to a direct-damage interrupt spell (5-second cooldown).

Items
  • Bloodthirsty and Vicious Gladiator's Chain Gauntlets had incorrect bonuses attached. Their bonuses now correctly reduce the cooldowns on regular traps and launched traps by 2 seconds.
  • Bloodied Wyrmhide Gloves no longer have any expertise rating on them, and now grant Spirit instead.

Professions
Archaeology
  • Select Archaeology nodes and dig sites have been updated to ensure the Map listings are correct and the nodes properly spawn within the dig sites.

Cooking
  • The cooking daily quest Chef's Awards no longer have a limit to how many players can hold at one time. Please note that the user interface will still say a maximum of 10 Chef's Award currency can be possessed until a client-side patch can be applied, but players can accrue more than 10.

Tailoring
  • Tailors with 400 skill or higher should now receive additional cloth drops 50% of the time from anything that drops cloth, up from 25%.

PvP
  • Baradin Guards now correctly attack Horde players which enter their aggro radius or attack them.
  • Tol Barad now awards 360 Honor Points for winning as the attacking faction, down from 1800. Further details can be found on our forums.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Tol Barad Honor Change + Bridge Exploit started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 263 Comments
  1. lauryn's Avatar
    sooo, lets hope they hotfix jar of retarded remedies, failmooncard : tsunami and tree of lol soon -.-
  1. Shamslam's Avatar
    Just bring back tenacity. At least in WotLK there wasn't a 95% chance for the defender to win...
  1. fangless's Avatar
    -Adjusted the Council's melee hatred, and fixed any Atramedes exploiting.


    Seems like Paragon/Method/etc. are doing a fine job of QA for the rest of us mortals :P
  1. Flixe's Avatar
    I dont get why they would change it back.. We can agree that 1800 honor was too much, but they shouldn't have nerfed so far down again.
    Keep in mind that honor is only used as currency for the first tier of PvP gear, and as such, there's only so much that people should have to farm.
    I mean really.. 2200 honor for a set part, 1600 for some slots and 1200 for the rest. If you add up a full set, it's gonna take VERY long to farm.

    For my part, I really can't be bothered to farm yet another season of PvP gear. It's the same every season, except now it's even more stupid.
    How I see it, it should be EASY to get the first tier of PvP gear. Not hard or boring - EASY! That way we would get to see more arena action, as alot of people would have access to the gear. For the good arena players, it wouldn't be too big of a hassle to get full Vicious gear, but it would for the bad players.
    Just dont make the first, blue gear so boring to farm that you scare newcommers -or oldies away from the PvP scene!

    Sorry for the wall of text.
  1. KClovesGaming's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Flixe View Post
    I dont get why they would change it back.. We can agree that 1800 honor was too much, but they shouldn't have nerfed so far down again.
    Keep in mind that honor is only used as currency for the first tier of PvP gear, and as such, there's only so much that people should have to farm.
    I mean really.. 2200 honor for a set part, 1600 for some slots and 1200 for the rest. If you add up a full set, it's gonna take VERY long to farm.

    For my part, I really can't be bothered to farm yet another season of PvP gear. It's the same every season, except now it's even more stupid.
    How I see it, it should be EASY to get the first tier of PvP gear. Not hard or boring - EASY! That way we would get to see more arena action, as alot of people would have access to the gear. For the good arena players, it wouldn't be too big of a hassle to get full Vicious gear, but it would for the bad players.
    Just dont make the first, blue gear so boring to farm that you scare newcommers -or oldies away from the PvP scene!

    Sorry for the wall of text.
    PVP is meant to be a side thing. If it takes a long time it takes a long time. People are going to whine, but people are still going to play regardless.
  1. Chaoyll's Avatar
    Going to fix the new drake mounts anytime soon? -.-
  1. Second's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by sTyLnK View Post
    PVP is meant to be a side thing. If it takes a long time it takes a long time. People are going to whine, but people are still going to play regardless.
    I would really like to see your source of that. PvP is part of the game and adding arenas and now rated battlegrounds proves how much. The poster above have point in cost of pvp gear, it also doesnt drop from players when you kill them (as pve items do from mobs). So you should really rethink what you just said.
  1. Flixe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by sTyLnK View Post
    PVP is meant to be a side thing. If it takes a long time it takes a long time. People are going to whine, but people are still going to play regardless.
    A side thing? Pardon me, but I totally disagree.
    PvP in WoW is by far the most competitive aspect of the game. You dont see major tournaments on "Who can kill this boss the fastest" - Atleast not in the same way as you do with PvP. In case you're wondering, I'm talking about Blizzcon etc.
    Also, how can you go and call something a "side thing", when it's been a part of the game since like.. forever? Some people play WoW for the PvE content, others play it for the PvP content. And oh, some play the game to do both. **

    And really, it's not about whine.
  1. Rahzael's Avatar
    •Righteous Fury is now unable to be dispelled.
    There goes my (mild) dispel fodder. As if it wasn't easy enough already to skillsteal.
  1. Spasme's Avatar
    People complaining about the TB queue must be on the "winning side" when win-trading or the "defender side" when not win-trading. That's when most people like to queue for this broken BG.

    Now that win-trading is over and one faction will hold TB mostly forever ( or until next fix ) , there's no reason for members of the attacking faction to join a 30min whack-a-mole game you can't win 99% of the time. If only 8 attackers join , only 8 defenders will get to participate. No one wins actually.
  1. jesy's Avatar
    i certaintly wont be participating in any more TBs'
  1. aggression's Avatar
    About archaeology fix or whatever. Says selecting nodes and digsites. But the only thing they do is to fix so that you never get a fragment dig that you cannot reach right? Or can you select a race you wanna farm or what? :S
  1. Thallidomaniac's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rahzael View Post
    There goes my (mild) dispel fodder. As if it wasn't easy enough already to skillsteal.
    And at the same time, it makes Paladins able to tank bosses that dispel buffs for a change.
  1. chrth's Avatar
    "About archaeology fix or whatever. Says selecting nodes and digsites. But the only thing they do is to fix so that you never get a fragment dig that you cannot reach right? Or can you select a race you wanna farm or what? :S "

    I think what it means is that some of the dig nodes were outside the red area on your map, so if you looked at your map to determine where to dig next, you'd stop short of the node because you wouldn't think it'd be outside that area. Obviously if you followed your surveys you'd get it eventually, but I had a node in WPL yesterday that after I dug it up, I was told You Can Not Do That Here for the next survey (even though I had not completed all three digs at the site).
  1. Lazertrooper's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac View Post
    And at the same time, it makes Paladins able to tank bosses that dispel buffs for a change.
    and what boss is this that dispel buffs? garr? you care about balance in soloable content? don't make me laugh.

    the righteous fury change completely broke paladin pvp, not like it wasn't broken already.

    i guess when it comes to blizzard, if it isn't fixed, break it further.
  1. Ceara's Avatar
    Hurray! Now my faction can go back to losing every Tol Barad because we have half the people as the other side.
  1. aggression's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by chrth View Post
    I think what it means is that some of the dig nodes were outside the red area on your map, so if you looked at your map to determine where to dig next, you'd stop short of the node because you wouldn't think it'd be outside that area. Obviously if you followed your surveys you'd get it eventually, but I had a node in WPL yesterday that after I dug it up, I was told You Can Not Do That Here for the next survey (even though I had not completed all three digs at the site).
    Ah ok, that never happend to me. Not being able to dig at all. But I have had alot of surveys that was outside my reach. For those that don't know how to solve that, you just go dig in another site and then come back. And it should be solved. But seems it's solved with next update anyhow.
  1. drakonblayde's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by VanishO2 View Post
    It's the holidays and it's exactly why they shouldn't do such a change if they're not there to monitor it and fix a possible exploit.

    You go out for holidays just to come back and find that everyone now has a huge gap in resilience compared to you that they shouldn't have for just one week. Great to start the year playing and get destroyed by even bad players that just "bridged" their entire pvp set and tons of resilience.

    To fix it, Blizz would just need to apply a fix in line with the one they did for the arena exploit, but with a few extra stuff by using armory feed stats for gear obtained during this "1800 tarding festival" week and played time of each player for the week, calculating a average honor gain based on just BGs and 360 honor TB win and removing or disabling the gear they bough after the "max honor" they could have for the period. But they won't do it, of course.
    There's really no reason they should go back and fix it. It wasn't like it was a data error that people exploited. They chose to make the honor gain 1800, while being fully aware of the bridge exploit. It'd not play well if they punished people for doing something when it was a change they made on purpose.
  1. Padwani's Avatar
    Good.. Now I can stop hearing 'Why are we not trying to defend" then hear "because we want to loose it"
  1. Nekovivie's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ceara View Post
    Hurray! Now my faction can go back to losing every Tol Barad because we have half the people as the other side.
    It's even teams. I don't know how you have half.

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