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What we've been trying communicate is that it wasn't our plan to make sweeping nerfs to Heroics within the first month of the expansion's release

Maybe it's just my sleep-deprived brain but this kind of sounds like that they plan to make them after the first month or first few months of the expansion's release. Who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into it. Although, if they are considering making sweeping nerfs, I'll be a bit disgruntled. Difficulty is fine where it is, and they're fun now. Not just mindlessly mashing 1 button.

Lastly, you're right, Gnomes are better. In the "Shorter Than the Top of Your Boot" category.

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When exactly will i, EU Player, be able to download the EU PTR Client?

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Originally Posted by Morlin

Daily Blink! haha bitter gnomes love it!

And Goblins.

So, they said they won't be making changes to the difficulty of Heroic dungeons when Cata released, but now they're saying that they NEVER said they wouldn't make changes and will nerf?

I wish Blizz would just stick with what they say instead of changing their mind every week because players threaten to quit.

Originally Posted by Frankieo

When exactly will i, EU Player, be able to download the EU PTR Client?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1827523438 worked for me, just begin with enGB download from your battle.net

Cata heroics are not playable. I've been in 3 groups yesterday that disbanded after 1-2 pulls. To be short cata is not playable. After you got all the gear from normal dungeons you can't do anything unless you want to play 4h+/day. Pvp is not an option as the pvp balance is still as bad as it was at lv80 in patch 4.0.

I canceled the subscription because it's no point to waist time with this game until they fix it.

Originally Posted by tar01

Cata heroics are not playable. I've been in 3 groups yesterday that disbanded after 1-2 pulls. To be short cata is not playable. After you got all the gear from normal dungeons you can't do anything unless you want to play 4h+/day. Pvp is not an option as the pvp balance is still as bad as it was at lv80 in patch 4.0.

I canceled the subscription because it's no point to waist time with this game until they fix it.

You really have got to learn about crowd control spells.
This happened to me all the time at first, but after a while i started practically begging my fellow party members to use their crowd control abilities frequently, and i also used my mind control all the time. We are running heroics mostly like it were back in Wotlk, and I really would actually like blizzard to buff everything in heroics and make them harder, as they are about to become on par with normal dungeons, and normal dungeons going down to lower then noobs only dungeon level.

I don't care. I had my fun with heroics. At least if they nerf heroics, pugs would be more bearable when I play with my alter toons.

Originally Posted by tar01

Cata heroics are not playable. I've been in 3 groups yesterday that disbanded after 1-2 pulls. To be short cata is not playable. After you got all the gear from normal dungeons you can't do anything unless you want to play 4h+/day. Pvp is not an option as the pvp balance is still as bad as it was at lv80 in patch 4.0.

I canceled the subscription because it's no point to waist time with this game until they fix it.

This has to be a minority. On non-raid nights, I'm on for maybe 1 or 2 hours. I have enough time to complete my dailies and do a random heroic. I mean, I did a heroic last night and it took about an hour. With CC and everything. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you haven't been able to complete a heroic, you need to:

1. Learn how to CC or make recommendations to classes that can CC.
2. Focus fire on the tank or main assist's target.
3. Find a better group of people (if possible).
4. Improve your own playing abilities.

Blizzard has said that they aren't handing stuff out anymore. And I'm not even in the slightest bit upset. I mean, the first time my guild did a Heroic Deadmines run we wiped on Ripsnarl for like an hour (Yay all melee group!). Sure, it made us feel like complete morons, but we worked hard and completed the run. Now that we know how to do it, it's a joke.

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Originally Posted by tar01

Cata heroics are not playable. I've been in 3 groups yesterday that disbanded after 1-2 pulls. To be short cata is not playable. After you got all the gear from normal dungeons you can't do anything unless you want to play 4h+/day. Pvp is not an option as the pvp balance is still as bad as it was at lv80 in patch 4.0.

I canceled the subscription because it's no point to waist time with this game until they fix it.

The difficulty is fine where it is. Ive cleared PuGs of Grim Batol, Stonecore (without any cc) and Deadmines without a single wipe. On the other hand we couldn't get past the trash in some of the easier heroics with people dieing and thereafter rage quitting. Its the people not the game.

At the end of the day its all down to luck and the group the LFD system assembles for you. Saying its unplayable isn't right. It will punish you if and when you make mistakes and will definitely make things a lot harder when you enter at the bare minimum ilvl (especially when the ilvl doesn't discriminate against main/offset/pvp gear).

Some are admittedly longer than others and i have already seen the reduction in the number of trash mobs in some of the dungeons (Oafs on DM). But the level of difficulty is fine and it actually gets a whole lot easier with each piece of gear you upgrade.

We don't think it was a mistake to start with the difficulty we did. We're happy overall with the progression path we have in Cataclysm. I think we've set an appropriate standard for this expansion, but we'll continue fine-tuning things (nerfs and buffs) to make sure the end game feels right as time passes.

when 90% of the players are not doing heroics thats not a l2p issue, that means you did something wrong, think about it

Originally Posted by wiIdi

when 90% of the players are not doing heroics thats not a l2p issue, that means you did something wrong, think about it

Not true at all! The problem is that most people play DPS and they refuse to wait for more than a few mins for randoms.
Just enter the LFD tool and start with dailies, auction hall scanning, questing etc.
The best way to lower the time when you are a DPS is to get healing and/or tanking friends or guildies in your group.
If you are talking about the difficulty you can just quit the game already. You're spoiled after playing too many WotLK heroics in full tier with all enchants and gems.
Now go and learn the strategy for each boss, learn to use CC and start asking the random group members to use CC as well.
It's easy!
The main problem is that many people refuse to quest or do more normal dungeons when they have the required minimum item level to enter heroics.
Use your brains: of course it will be hard in heroics when you don't have the gear!
If you can't CC on top of that, you seriously need to learn how to play this game properly!

Just my tree fiddy!

Originally Posted by tar01

Cata heroics are not playable. I've been in 3 groups yesterday that disbanded after 1-2 pulls. To be short cata is not playable. After you got all the gear from normal dungeons you can't do anything unless you want to play 4h+/day. Pvp is not an option as the pvp balance is still as bad as it was at lv80 in patch 4.0.

I canceled the subscription because it's no point to waist time with this game until they fix it.

Nonsense. PUG's in heroics currently are perfectly doable with normal level gear and Justice Point stuff. It does help if you're a capable person that knows what he's doing though, it inspires confidence in a group. If you just mindlessly go into trash, or even bosses, with a WotLK mindset you will fail.
And that's exactly as we like it, a bit of a challenge.

So, from "they'll get easier because of outgearing with T11" to "we'll never said we wouldn't nerf after a month"... sad

Originally Posted by tar01

Cata heroics are not playable. I've been in 3 groups yesterday that disbanded after 1-2 pulls. To be short cata is not playable. After you got all the gear from normal dungeons you can't do anything unless you want to play 4h+/day. Pvp is not an option as the pvp balance is still as bad as it was at lv80 in patch 4.0.

I canceled the subscription because it's no point to waist time with this game until they fix it.

And nothing of value was lost.

Blizzard is doing double-speak yet again. Heroics will be jokes soon enough, it sounds like.

I don't mind little tweaks such as trimming the trash in Deadmines. That doesn't affect the difficulty of Deadmines, it just makes it a little faster (that place takes forever even with a competent group).

Also, I have noticed that heroics have already gotten a little easier now that more people have 333, 346, and even 359 gear. I've had less issues with pugs this past week.

There will always be bad groups, but I think the heroic difficulty is just fine as it is.

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Originally Posted by wiIdi

when 90% of the players are not doing heroics thats not a l2p issue, that means you did something wrong, think about it

They did do something wrong. They made the game way too easy and braindead in WotLK. Players have gotten used to zerging everything with minimal effort.

Cataclysm is hopefully retraining people to use their full abilities again.

Originally Posted by wiIdi

when 90% of the players are not doing heroics thats not a l2p issue, that means you did something wrong, think about it

It's more like 50% not 90%. Anyway about half the guild I'm in tries to do heroics the other half kinda gave up on them.

The problem is that heroics have to be done raid style if you want to actually finish them. If you try lfg pugs, 4 out of 5 fail before the first boss.

Basically it's 5 man raiding. You need the right team mix, everyone to be ready at the right time and so on. This is not good for me, not for heroic 5 man dungeons. Cata is now hardcore and you need 4-5hours/day if you want to do something.