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Tol Barad Balance
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
Now that Cataclysm is out in the wild, more players are getting gearing up and checking out Tol Barad, the new outdoor PvP zone. Today, we wanted to address some of the concerns players have expressed about the zone, including how challenging it can be to win as the attacking team, and provide some insight into our design approach. We also wanted to share some of the lessons we learned from Wintergrasp, discuss the difference between the two zones, and touch upon the recent hotfixes made to Honor Point gains and how we plan to improve Tol Barad going forward. We're confident this zone will provide meaningful and fun PvP for some time to come, but we also recognize additional tuning is required to ensure Tol Barad is everything we intend it to be.

As we mentioned earlier, the attacking faction is having a pretty tough time winning control of Tol Barad -- and we're OK with that, at least in theory. Here's why: When we set out to create Wintergrasp, one of the issues we dealt with was that we were never able to ensure the sides were even -- in fact, they rarely were. Because the smaller team would almost always be assured defeat, we attempted to address team-size imbalance by favoring the attacker. Control of Wintergrasp went back and forth, and the result was that battles lost their impact. On most realms the defenders became complacent, knowing they were likely to lose control of the zone, returning to re-take it when it was their turn to attack. The sides swapped back and forth every few hours, and Wintergrasp wasn’t so much about an epic struggle for a meaningful piece of land as it was a complicated game of leapfrog.

Since then we’ve devised mechanics that help ensure equal team sizes, and we've taken Wintergrasp's lessons to heart when we designed Tol Barad. Tol Barad is intentionally balanced so that it’s a challenge for the attackers, because we want to make sure that control of Tol Barad matters. For the defenders, there’s a sense of urgency that Wintergrasp didn't have -- if you lose it, you’re going to have a hell of a time taking it back. For the attackers, there are a number of rewards at stake -- such as access to the Baradin Hold raid and additional daily quests -- that we hope players feel are worth fighting for. That sort of tension is what we wanted from Wintergrasp, and what we believe Tol Barad can ultimately offer.

With that being said, we want winning Tol Barad to be a challenge for the attacking faction... but we don't want it to be impossible. Taking Tol Barad should be tough -- but right now it’s a little bit too tough, and it’s something we’re actively working to balance. Earlier, we attempted to temporarily address the issue by offering a far better reward to the winning attackers: Honor Points awarded for successfully attacking were increased tenfold, but that was such a great incentive that it ultimately undermined the spirit of competition. Since then, the reward for winning as an attacker has been brought back down to a more reasonable amount.

While we've already made minor adjustments to improve the gameplay and address select exploits, our job in Tol Barad is far from over. We ultimately want to make sure that any changes we make are all steps in the right direction, and we intend to make several updates in the next minor patch to address design and balance issues affecting attackers that we can't address with hotfixes. For example, we plan to alter the battle slightly so that a team with two bases captured can more quickly and easily capture the third, as opposed to a team with one or zero bases. This way, if the defenders turtle up, it'll be a little easier for the attackers to take their last base before the defense can take one of the attackers' other bases.

We've been reading your feedback, watching trends across our global realms, and fighting plenty of battles in Tol Barad ourselves to get a feel for what's working and what isn't, and we're committed to making Tol Barad a fun and engaging zone. We want owning the zone to be meaningful throughout the lifespan of the expansion -- and while the attackers may always face somewhat of an uphill battle, the defenders should feel much more pressure not to lose than they do currently. Just the same, the attacking faction should feel motivated to take Tol Barad back, but they shouldn't feel that the odds are insurmountable. So keep fighting the good fight, and we'll continue watching the battlefield and listening to your feedback.

Cory "Mumper" Stockton is the lead content designer on World of Warcraft and enjoys a good set of LEGOs.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Tol Barad Balance started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 246 Comments
  1. johurl71's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Harpocrates View Post
    40v40

    Team A : needs 1 base to win
    Team B : needs 3 bases to win

    team B, needs to split up those 40 into 3 sections....team A needs to zerg all 40 onto each base


    do the math

    TB is retarded, broken and a big mistake
    Agreed!!! To anyone who said it takes skill right now to defend TB, you are FOOLS. /Turtle takes no SKILL. Now with the new possible implementation of he who possesses the most bases gets advantage for 3rd base this may make it better. No more, hold base 1 until overtaken then rush base 2 with 40 people. All i can say is, WE SHALL SEE BLIZZ....
  1. Buu's Avatar
    Cutting to the chase:
    Quote Originally Posted by Harpocrates View Post
    Team A : needs 1 base to win
    Team B : needs 3 bases to win
    Why!? WHY!? Why people still coming out and insisting that some weird, isolated happening they saw now and then is the rule?
    NO! That's the most simple it can get to. The stupid attackers winning you saw was some kind of exploit that is not the rule.
    Rule is TEAM A NEED 1, TEAM B NEED ALL 3. No matter the crap you drop here, that is simple and final.
    LOL Barad is broken. And seriously, with the TONS of good suggestions, and things that would make people happy simply being thrown at their lap, so they just have to implement, and no damn test of ANY of those systems in PTR. Somebody, please burn, shred, smash, melt, those LEGOs.
  1. Makarena's Avatar
    on thunderhorn EU tol barad was horde for ... ehm, maybe 20 / 4 relation
  1. crayven's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SadWarrior View Post
    I just LOVE reading this blue Lawyer stuff.

    I really wonder how much do they pay to their lawyers to make such posts. They make it sound so good, yet its crap as ever.
    Mind if i use your comment as signature?
    I LOVE IT ! xD Fits them so well.

    ---------- Post added 2011-01-14 at 08:43 AM ----------

    A simple turning the "attackers need 3 bases to win" into a "attackers need 2 bases out of 3 to win" would sure solve much more than their stinking wall of bullshit about how much they care and what-not.
  1. Cypress's Avatar
    imo if you wanted to balance this, a good place to start (From defending POV) is to increase the time to remove control on a building

    that way the attackers are more obliged to not zerg 1 place while on the flip side, defenders arent obliged to mass defend 1 building
  1. WowRogue192's Avatar
    To be honest, I dont like Tol Barad, All you do is run around in circles :P It's not good, Trust me. So my message to Blizzard is to remove Tol Barad.

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