Battleground Horde/Alliance Win Ratio, Setup of the Month

Update - 2200 Weapons Delay
Originally Posted by Nethaera (Blue Tracker)
I'll be brief and direct. The PvP item vendors were a little slow on stocking their shelves. They should have them restocked shortly (give or take a few extra if need be.)

They should have these weapons available very soon. We'll keep an eye on things should there be further delays.

Update - They should be available now. We'll be watching just in case any further issues arise with these vendors.

No blue post today as it was a holiday week-end, at this point we're just waiting for Patch 4.1 to hit the PTRs anyway. (Or official Patch 4.1 previews, I guess!)

Battleground Horde/Alliance Win Ratio
People often wonder what the Horde/Alliance win ratio in battlegrounds are, Blizzard never gave away those % but the question can be answered by scanning a lot of characters on the Armory and compiling their battlegrounds wins statistics.


  • 1. The first scan has been made a year ago.

  • 2. The "Battles in the Last Year" graph is basically this month's scan minus the results of last year's scan. Deleted/transfered characters were removed from the stats.

  • 3. Even if the amount of people scanned is huge, don't take these stats as a 100% truth. Only Blizzard can be 100% sure of that, especially since it's very hard to gather a lot of data from the Armory.

  • 4. Before you yell on forums, make sure you look at the % on the left, the lowest % is 42% and the highest is 58%.

The "Battlegrounds Wins in the Last Year" graph is the only thing you should look at if you want an idea of how things are balanced these days.





Computers - Setup of the Month (by chaud)
Each month or every 2 months, depending on the hardware evolutions, the lovely chaud will work on a couple of hardware setups for those of you who are thinking of upgrading their computer!

This month
Sandy Bridge motherboards were recalled because of a flaw in one of the SATA ports (see Sandy Bridge). They will not be available for purchase at least until March or April. New SSDs are almost here, faster and more expensive than the current generation.

Make sure to keep your AMD and Nvidia drivers up to date.

Don't hesitate to post any feedback in the comments of that news post, and don't forget to visit the Computer Forum for any extra questions!

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ComponentPuppy Dolphin
MonitorASUS VW224U 22-Inch Widescreen - $148ASUS VW246H 24-Inch Widescreen - $200
KeyboardMicrosoft Digital Media Keyboard 3000 - $25Cyborg V.5 - $38
MouseLogitech MX518 - $22Logitech G500 - $54
SpeakersLogitech S220 2.1 Speaker System - $28Logitech Z313 Speaker System - $40
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MonitorDell E2311H 23-inch LED-backlit Widescreen - $315Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch (IPS Panel) - $560
KeyboardLogitech G110 - $65Razer BlackWidow (Backlit)- $73 ($120)
MouseRazer Deathadder - $47Razer Naga (Buttons on the Side) - $70
SpeakersCreative Inspire T3130 2.1 Speaker System - $50Logitech Speaker System Z523 - $83



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ComponentPuppy Dolphin
CaseNZXT GAMMA Classic - $40NZXT GAMMA Classic - $40
Power SupplyCorsair 650TX - $60Corsair 650TX - $60
CPUAMD Athlon II X4 635 AM3 - $100AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition - $140
HeatsinkCooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $28Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $28
MotherboardGIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 - $90GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 - $135
Memory4GB PNY Optima DDR3 10600 - $354GB G.Skill Ripjaws F3 4GB 12800 DDR3 - $58
Graphics CardXFX 5770 - $137XFX 6850 or EVGA GTX 460 - $177 / $222
Hard DriveWestern Digital Caviar Blue 500 GB - $40SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB - $62
DVDLite-On LightScribe 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $25Lite-On LightScribe 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $25
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Narwhal and Unicorn

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CaseCooler Master Centurion 5 II - $61Cooler Master HAF932 - $120
Power SupplyCorsair 650TX - $60Corsair 750HX (7 Year Warranty) - $127
CPUIntel i5-760 - $210Intel i7-950 - $300
HeatsinkTuniq Tower 120 Extreme - $59Noctua 6 NH-D14 - $85
MotherboardASUS P7P55D-E - $156Asus Sabertooth X58 (5 Year Warranty) - $211
Memory4GB G.Skill Ripjaws F3 4GB 12800 DDR3 - $586GB G.Skill DDR3 12800 - $88
Graphics CardXFX 6950 1GB OR EVGA GTX 560 Ti- $265 / $275XFX 6970 - $365 OR EVGA GTX 570 - $380
Hard DriveWestern Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $88Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $87
SSDNoneOCZ Vertex 2 120 GB (Review) - $239
OR
Corsair Force 120GB (Review) - $217
DVDLite-On LightScribe 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $25Lite-On LightScribe 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $25
Total$982/ $992$1647/ $1662
This article was originally published in forum thread: Battleground Horde/Alliance Win Ratio, Setup of the Month started by Boubouille View original post
Published on 2011-02-22 08:37 AM
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Comments 451 Comments
  1. Serissa's Avatar
    I don't think these graphs even close to real situation.
    Personally I know lots and lots of people who did faction change 3+ times during last year. All of them very active PvP'ers.
    How's your "once per year" scan takes into account this?

    IMO
  1. danawhitaker's Avatar
    My statistics professor would smite you right now for those awful charts. You should fix them so that the scales aren't quite so misleading. I know you tell people about it, but it was still a poor choice to present them in that manner in the first place.

    I'm also skeptical of the collection methods. There's a lot of variables that those numbers don't take into account probably. It would be nice if Blizzard would give us the actual data, but this is the best we can get I suppose.
  1. Culexus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Serissa View Post
    I don't think these graphs even close to real situation.
    Personally I know lots and lots of people who did faction change 3+ times during last year. All of them very active PvP'ers.
    How's your "once per year" scan takes into account this?

    IMO
    Oh the graphs sure arent 100% accurate. But the fact that they show wins and losses are "almost" the same on both sides i tend to believe these numbers could be close to reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by danawhitaker View Post
    My statistics professor would smite you right now for those awful charts. You should fix them so that the scales aren't quite so misleading. I know you tell people about it, but it was still a poor choice to present them in that manner in the first place.
    Exactly what i thought. Im thinking of emailing this to my professor to have him use it as an example when he teaches the people about bad presentation of statistics.
  1. mmoc5408824b9c's Avatar
    Interesting stuff - please, please, please don't crop the y-axis next time, some people will not understand it despite your red text and see a Horde bar three times as high,
  1. Badluckandtrouble's Avatar
    as some of you maybe know, the ally to horde ratio on most servers is rather clost to 2:1 (blizz numbers). this could mean that the ally have more immature people which have never heard the word "tactic" before. also, due to the rather long BQ queues on horde side (my battle group, blackout, as horde i got 10-30 mins with queue time and as ally igot 10 mins uber max) when you first join a BG you will be a lot more motivated to win it and do your best since if you lose you cant get your daily BG rewards and you have to wait for a small eternity for another one.

    just my two cents.
  1. Charagon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    52% to 48% in Horde favor isn't really that bad, all things considered.

    Racials don't change battlegrounds. That's like arguing gem choice changes DPS by thousands.

    Battlegrounds are largely decided by fights between several players, largely clumped together.

    Which faction has the AoE stun?
    Which faction has the AoE silence?
  1. schwarzkopf's Avatar
    Well, I've lost all but two of the 150+ WSGs I've played.

    /signed
    Statistical abberation
  1. Sylla's Avatar
    Huh.... That is a lot closer than I expected it to be, and I'm sure the % deviation is pretty big since it isn't official numbers just armory scans. To me it seems like it really could be within expected statistical uncertainty rather than for the myriad of reasons that everyone is really quick to give when these threads come up. Pretty interesting stuff either way
  1. Cyrille104's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Charagon View Post
    Which faction has the AoE stun?
    Which faction has the AoE silence?
    ^^^^^^ This
  1. mmoca371db5304's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    Racials don't change battlegrounds. That's like arguing gem choice changes DPS by thousands.
    Sure they do - they can easily be the determining factor in certain key moments. ESPECIALLY when used by high caliber players.

    I have a WSG win percentage of 75% (!) as a Draenei (186 games played); and believe me when I say I could be even more effective with the AOE silence because it would permit far more kills against groups with heals. I certainly would not consider it a stretch to be able to add 5% with access to better racials, and that does line up fairly well with MMOs parsed averages.
  1. Keosen's Avatar
    Scaling on the graphs is a major fail while the difference is max 8% the bad scaling make it seem like 50%+.
  1. mmoc4a543e64ec's Avatar
    Oh man, those graphs are so misleading
  1. Tiolith's Avatar
    Those graphs are fake, I'm Alliance and my Statistics on Armory say

    Battlegrounds played 1,073
    Battlegrounds won 594
  1. mmocfcbe462c17's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Greivence View Post
    This guy doesn't play PvP for the horde obviously....and i think gnome/night elf/human racials > all horde racials for pvp -_-
    Does "This guy" mean me or "chuck"? Please note that clarity is a virtue when conversing online.
  1. mugutu's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiolith View Post
    Those graphs are fake, I'm Alliance and my Statistics on Armory say

    Battlegrounds played 1,073
    Battlegrounds won 594
    That's some nice anecdotal evidence you got there. Next you'll tell me global warming is fake because it was cold by your house today, right?
  1. Simca's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiolith View Post
    Those graphs are fake, I'm Alliance and my Statistics on Armory say

    Battlegrounds played 1,073
    Battlegrounds won 594
    How does that make them fake? o.O
  1. Icebear's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Charagon View Post
    Battlegrounds are largely decided by fights between several players, largely clumped together.

    Which faction has the AoE stun?
    Which faction has the AoE silence?
    Which faction have free PvP trinket?
    Which faction have free heal?
    Issue with that? Live with it

    OT:
    Well, not surprised. I never win a AV :b
    Actually I never win a BG lol
  1. 6kle's Avatar
    I have to agree with the criticism. The whole purpose of having bars or pie charts is so you can visually measure the differences. Now if you cut off the bars like that they lose their purpose entirely and end up being worse than not having them at all because they look very misleading.
  1. QQingshaman's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mludd View Post
    Chuck: There's also the possibility that:
    1) Battlegrounds in general are unbalanced due to the BGs themselves being designed in a way that favors the horde ever so slightly.
    2) Horde players have better racials for PvP
    3) There are more hardcore PvPers on the horde side which means they have longer bg queues and only those most dedicated bother playing BGs (so you end up with hardcore horde vs. hardcore + casual alliance BGs).

    Also, I can see why horde keeps losing AV, In my experience horde BG players are actually less organized than alliance (for pure PUG BGs, not talking guild groups) but tend to be a bit more hardcore (better geared, actually have their keybinds setup specifically for PvP and such). Now, in AV it's all about cooperation and zerging the boss, something which the alliance players do quite well while the horde players tend to fan out and go for the regular "duel in the middle" tactic...
    you cant be serious...
  1. yomyom's Avatar
    I think it is just the snow ball effect; a number of good pvp'ers where attracted to horde at the start giving horde the feel of the pvp faction. This caused other people who want to win at pvp to go to horde and it just keeps going from there. This could also explain the longer queues.
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