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New Valor Points and Daily Dungeons gains in Patch 4.1
We finally have a blue posts about the changes to daily quests!
Originally Posted by Lylirra (Blue Tracker)
Right now, you receive 70 VP for the first random Cataclysm Heroic dungeon you complete each day. In 4.1, you'll receive 70 VP for the first seven random Cataclysm Heroic dungeons you complete each week. Similarly, you'll receive 140 VP for the first seven random Rise of the Zandalari Heroic dungeons (the new Zul'Aman and Zul'Gurub instances) you complete in the week, too. Collectively, you'll be able to earn up to 980 VP exclusively from Heroic dungeons, which in turn will count towards your weekly 1250 VP cap.

By transitioning random Heroic dungeon rewards from a daily format to a weekly one, we'll be able to give players more control and flexibility over how they can earn VP -- which is cool! -- but this also means that we've a lot more bookkeeping to do in terms of where those points are coming from. To help with that, we're adding a "Valor Point bar" (similar to an XP bar) to the top of Dungeon Finder UI that will track your weekly cap, as well as how many Heroics you can still run for VP during the week.

We're going to be writing up a pretty big blog about that system since it's somewhat complicated, but here's what you can take away right now:


  • In 4.1, running random Heroic dungeons for VP is now something you can do on your own schedule. Feel like spending your entire Saturday queuing up as random? No problem!

  • The first seven random Rise of the Zandalari Heroics you run for the week will award 140 VP each. This is double the VP that you’ll receive from your first seven random "tier 1" Cataclysm Heroics, since the dungeons are considered a "step up" in difficulty.

  • You'll be able to randomly queue for the Rise of the Zandalari Heroics separately from the tier 1 Cataclysm Heroic dungeons.

  • Each week you can earn up to 980 VP just by running random Heroic dungeons. If you want to maximize your VP gains, you can still reach the overall weekly cap of 1250 by defeating raid level content.

This isn't yet on the PTR for testing. We'll let you know when it is, though, and will continue to provide more information as the development of 4.1 progresses.

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People blocking mailboxes with flying mounts
You may have noticed that a number of mailboxes were added to the capital cities so that, if you happen to find one blocked, it should be relatively easy to walk a few steps and find another one that remains unobstructed. Most vendors are located inside buildings where mounts aren't allowed too.

Having the option to use one's flying mounts within the capital cities is ultimately more convenient than removing them to ensure access to services which should be reasonably accessible to begin with. (Source)


Heroic Instance Tiers
But, yes. The Rise of the Zandalari Heroics are considered a tier above the current Cataclysm Heroics. You can randomly queue for them separately, but you'll still only be able to earn at most 980 VP per week from running Heroics, period (no matter what tier they are). (Source)


Reasons behind the change to daily dungeon
Some people don't have time to log in every day, but have, for instance, a lot of time on the weekend to play.
We hear you, and we agree that asking players log in every day (or night) just to keep pace with their VP is a bit unreasonable and can sometimes lead to World of Warcraft feeling less like a game and more like a job. That's ultimately why we're making these changes. We want you to log in because you enjoy raiding, or questing, or -- in this case -- running dungeons, not because you feel like you need to complete a specific chore every day in order to stay viable/competitive. (Source)


Amount of instances in a week
It sounds like you meant that you could do 7 total heroics; not 7 tier 1 AND 7 ZG/ZA... so its possible to get a TOTAL of 980 VP (Source)


Hitting the cap with the new dungeon dailies
Even with only doing the dungeons (both types), you'll hit the cap before the week is over, without stepping foot into a raid.
Nah, you won't. You'll only be able to earn up to 980 VP per week from running random Heroics, not 1470 VP (we're purposefully placing a soft cap on VP from Heroics). If you want to reach the 1250 weekly cap, you'll still need to run raid content.

Again, I know it's a bit complicated, so let me give you some examples:

Example 1:
Player A has a blast on a Friday with his friends and runs seven Rise of the Zandalari Heroics, earning 980 VP (7 x 140 VP). The next day, he helps a friend with a random tier 1 Cataclysm Heroic -- let's say Heroic Deadmines. Because player A has already earned 980 VP from random Heroics, he won't receive any VP from the Saturday's Deadmines run.

Example 2:
Player B kills 25-man Argaloth, Council of Wind, and Halfus Wyrmbreaker, earning 270 VP on Tuesday night. She then runs three random tier 1 Cataclysm Heroics during the workweek for 210 VP. Come Saturday, player B wants to kill LOTS of trolls and decides to chain-run a few random Rise of the Zandalari Heroics. At this point, player B has 770 VP available to be earned from Heroic dungeons (980 VP - 210 VP). This means she can run six of those dungeons -- for the first five, she'll get 140 VP; for the sixth, only 70 VP.

Example 3:
Player C raids a lot of bosses, killing 10 of them with 24 of his peers on Tuesday/Wednesday, earning 900 VP. He can still earn 350 VP before hitting the weekly cap. The 980 VP Heroic dungeon cap won't affect him at this point. He can do five tier 1 Heroics -- or three Rise of the Zandalari Heroics, or two Rise of the Zandalari Heroic + one tier 1 Heroic -- to earn those 350 VP.

This is all much easier to understand with pictures (which we'll be sure include in spades in the blog post), but I hope the above makes sense for now. (Source)

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This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 4.1 Valor Points and Daily Dungeon Explained, Blue Posts, The Daily Blink started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 141 Comments
  1. drakonblayde's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dominating View Post
    Poster whining about people obstructing mailboxes in capital cities... I'm surprised a Blue even responded to that nonsense.
    I'm not, that's an easy PR victory. It gives them the chance to point out something they did to try and make players lives easier. When you know that a blue post will be replicated to a large number of fan sites, that's easy and free publicity. The CM who responded to it deserves credit for their astuteness, whether they did it on purpose or not.
  1. glitchslol's Avatar
    14 random heroics a week : /
  1. amirisme's Avatar
    I, for one think the VP change is a good one. Makes me look forward to play WoW again come 4.1. What I hate is hearing elitists bitch about casuals getting gear that they ALREADY have. Shut up and play already. FFS, its just a damn game.
  1. fews's Avatar
    i raid in a 8/13 progression guild and i think this change is great. we are 10m so sometimes certain people have to sit, and thats just fine, but it makes it hard to get the VP cap (still 2p away from my 2nd 4p set)... this is a change of pure convenience.

    people who are crying about this change are bad players who are stuck doing normal mode content, working REALLY HARD for their SUPER COOL 359 gear. for everyone else its a huge convenience - casual players can get geared too, and the raiders can easily fill out the last few VP things they still need and start makin' dat boot money.

    cry more about "casuals", people. if you still care about VP than you are either casual or in a bad guild... SORRY
  1. Kazlehoff's Avatar
    Farnart#2: Emo arthas is emo.
  1. blackangel209's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by glitchslol View Post
    14 random heroics a week : /
    If you just do the 7 randoms in the new heroics, you'll hit the 980 cap. No need to do 14.
  1. chaossammy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by amirisme View Post
    I, for one think the VP change is a good one. Makes me look forward to play WoW again come 4.1. What I hate is hearing elitists bitch about casuals getting gear that they ALREADY have. Shut up and play already. FFS, its just a damn game.
    nioe with vos youll get t12 without going into raids so dont talk when you dont have facts
  1. Shakalager's Avatar
    At level 60 do you know HOW a priest would get the "Vestments of the Oracle" set? Going through and getting the specific Scarabs and Idols while rolling against maybe 20 other people in AQ40 and then turning them in to get the gear. THAT was a challenge. THAT was a grind. It is more rewarding to get get if you really work at it. Blizz you disappoint me.
  1. Immamoonkin's Avatar
    My worgen piece got in! *cheer* http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/communi...ndex.html#1250
  1. Nindoriel's Avatar
    The question also is, are there really people, who only do 5-mans and never do a raid? Eventually those people will get bored and end up with having every gear piece they can get from 5-mans, so they'll turn to raids. Then, in the end, the whole thing will just have helped them gear up faster. And that's always been an important point.
  1. daburton's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dominating View Post
    Poster whining about people obstructing mailboxes in capital cities... I'm surprised a Blue even responded to that nonsense.
    What I find even funnier is it explains why they added so many extra mailboxes. Apparently this was enough of a problem that blizzard decided to correct the problem in their own fashion..ie add more boxes AND move the vendors indoors instead of banning flying mounts in capital cities.
  1. Bombkirby's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokiron View Post
    Ugh, I wish whoever keeps accepting the KAWAII DESU anime art into the fanart gallery would stop; it just doesn't fit in right at all and half the time you cant even tell it's supposed to be a warcraft character aside from certain armor pieces and a name tacked on. There was a night elf one a while back that I wouldn't have guessed in a million years was supposed to be a night elf :\
    Resisting the urge...to punch....ignorant boob....in the face....through the Internet........so....grrr....HARD!
  1. pollution's Avatar
    That's like 7*70+2*70 = 630 VP in a single day... If Blizzard wants to please the crowd like this, they should please a epics for bananas vendor outside AH. Would be less time-consuming too.. I see a bad moon rising.
  1. Ragu's Avatar
    Please stop your crying. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this change at all!

    The new heroics give 140. Current ones will still give 70. If you do 7 of the new ones, which give a greater reward for a much greater challenge and gear level, you will hit the HEROIC CAP of 980, and be unable to earn any more.

    Why do you feel entitled to anything whatsoever, simply because you spend more hours sitting at home playing a video game? That is the only argument you are making, and we would all appreciate if you would stop spewing out elitist garbage. I hit my VP cap from just raiding, and I have absolutely no problem with people running heroics for VP, just like they do now.
  1. HavelTheRock's Avatar
    Why are you all complaining? It's not a raise in the amount of VP you can get, just makes it less of a daily chore. You won't be seeing full VP gear on everyone a week after patch.
    Stop complaining about something that doesn't really make much of a difference.
  1. VanishO2's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by tylen View Post
    You have been able to do that for a while ever since 3.2 but it is ok to realize now because you seem pretty hip and cool and have great words of wisdom to deliver!
    Because 3 tiers later in a xpac is the same as the 1st tier of one... oh wait...
  1. ZeroEdgeir's Avatar
    Okay, so we get our VP faster and more convenient. Good. "But what about all the gear I get from raiding in Firelands in 4.2? All the heroic ppl will get the same!" - No.

    Come 4.2, raiders doing Firelands and Boss #2 of BH will get VP again. All 4.0 Raid content = JP, not VP. Heroics will still pay out their current system. So, while ppl who can't muster up the muscle to hit Firelands can get 980 VP a week (1050 if they can manage the new BH boss), the people who CAN raid, will get their 1250 cap, AND all the shiny 372 epics from normal mode Firelands. You will out-pace and out-gear the Heroic farming ppl in no time.

    Look at it this way: It means that people you look to recruit won't be AS far behind, should the need arise.

    So again: If you are already doing Heroic Modes in 4.0, this change is of ZERO impact to you, aside from gearing your alts faster most likely. If what OTHER people get from doing something of less work bugs you, go play a solo game. Cause you sound like all the ppl who bitched cause Blizzard made Dual Spec level 30 and cost 10g, vs level 40 and costing 1000g during WotLK. Or the mount price changes...

    It's a GAME. Does it ruin YOUR fun when someone else gets to enjoy the game a little more with NO impact to your own gameplay?
  1. bigsandwich732's Avatar
    This change is horrible. 80% of your VP points just by doing heroics? lol? This is a joke right?

    I don't even raid anymore, and even I say that non-raiders such as myself definitely DO NOT deserve the amount of points (80%) a raider who puts the time in does.
  1. VanishO2's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Swen88 View Post
    I can understand that the new HCs will require some better gear and that random HC players will need some gear for that, but adding 80% of the Vp cap in HCs every week? I really don't think that's a good idea..

    It's raiding gear at the same ilvl that people worked weeks/months to get in raids and now random players that think the game is to hard will get it faster than they can say epics. Bad move blizzard =/
    When do we get 80% of conquest points for just doing a few random BGs? lololololololololololol
  1. ryuke09's Avatar
    5mans = 333 blues
    5man heroics = 346+ blues to prepare for raids
    raids=359 epics
    heroic raids=373 epics

    firelands raid=37X epics
    firelands heroic raid=39X epics



    what the hell was wrong with that linear progression that made blizzard want to completely screw it up with giving points for the CURRENT normal raid content to 5man heroics? doing 7 heroics in on day for the 'cap' is fine but there's no reason people should get that level gear if they aren't raiding.

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