MMO-Champion - Guild Transfer & Guild Rename Services Coming, The View From 10,000 Feet
Guild Transfer & Guild Rename Services Coming
Originally Posted by Nethaera (Blue Tracker)
We want to give everyone an early heads-up regarding our plan to implement a guild relocation service for World of Warcraft. The idea is for a guild leader to be able to transfer a guild to another realm. The guild structure remains intact, including the guild leader, guild bank, ranks, and guild name (depending on availability).

Guild members who decide to relocate with their guild may initiate their own paid character transfer. Upon a successful transfer they will automatically be part of the guild when they first log into the new realm. Their guild rank and guild reputation will be intact.

Guild leaders who do not want a change of scenery may also choose to pick a new guild name using another new service. These services are in development and we will be providing additional details at a future point in time.

As with all of the features and services we offer, we intend to incorporate the guild relocation service in a way that will not disrupt the game play experience. Please note that this feature will require extensive internal testing, so you may see bits and pieces of the service appear on the public test realms. We'll announce further details at http://www.WorldofWarcraft.com .

Dev Watercooler: The View From 10,000 Feet
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
So how is the view from way up here? It’s great actually -- we’re really happy with how Cataclysm is going so far, and we have big surprises on the horizon. On the other hand, there are details you can see at ground level that you can’t make out from 10,000 feet.

When we started these blogs, the idea was to foster developer communication to the players without some of the inherent problems of posting in forums. Some players have pointed out recently, and we totally agree, that the blogs up until now have been from a very high vantage point. We looked for topics with universal interest that would feel important and newsworthy. That has worked overall, but we also feel like we’ve lost something from when I used to be down in the metaphorical trenches talking to players in the forums.

So we’re going to try something a little different. We’re going to unleash some blogs that are much more conversational and less proclamational (that's a word now). If we deliver on this, it will hopefully feel like you’re eavesdropping on our design meetings. You won’t always learn a lot about exciting new features coming to the game, but you will (ideally) learn something about the design process itself. (When we have big, exciting news to share, or ‘State of the Game’ style blogs, we’ll still do those as well.)

But to pull off this more casual blog style, let’s establish a few ground rules:

1) No promises. I’m going to be talking about a lot of things we might do or things we could do. You shouldn’t interpret this brainstorming as patch notes. Our creative process is insanely iterative. We might pitch dozens of ideas before we find one we like. That can be really exhausting if you’re not used to it. If you’re more interested in final decisions and not idea churn, then this style of blog won’t be for you.

2) Don’t read too much between the lines. I’m going to point out a lot of design flaws in our game. “Oh no! Goatcaller admitted WoW was deeply flawed! It’s shark-jumping time!” Look, Blizzard is very critical about our own designs. There is virtually nothing in World of Warcraft that could not be improved. That has always been the case and will continue to be the case. Just because I’m going to be sharing that more frankly with you doesn’t mean that the game now has more cracks in its foundation than it ever did. There is an old saying (misattributed, from what I understand, to Otto Bismarck) that laws are like sausages; it is best not seeing them being made. My old friend and mentor Bruce Shelley used to apply the same maxim to game design.

3) No complaints about the topic. If we didn’t have an interesting discussion about a topic recently, e.g. shaman mechanics, I’m not going to invent one. That doesn’t mean that the class is perfect, or that we don’t love shaman players, or that the shaman class has no direction, or that the class design is frozen in carbonite. I’m not going to keep hash marks next to every class and spec to make sure I’ve covered their "Very Important Issues" lately in a blog. World of Warcraft design being what it is, we’ll probably eventually get around to talking about everyone on here, but it may take weeks or months or years. My team is responsible for areas of the game including classes, items, encounters, trade skills, achievements, combat, and UI, so my blogs will probably stick to those topics.

Okay, all that preamble is out of the way now. I’ll probably refer back to it sometimes, if we have some players stomping all over the ground rules.

One topic we’ve been discussing lately is the role of Hit and Expertise on tank gear (or more precisely, plate tanking gear). The conventional wisdom is that Hit and Expertise are threat stats, and you may need to swap them out with some of your mitigation stats depending on the situation. Realistically, unless you severely overgear the content, we don’t think that is actually true. Tanks almost always worry about survival first and foremost, which totally makes sense, and are willing to trade off threat stats for better mitigation in almost all situations. It’s much harder to progress if the tank explodes than it is if the cat occasionally pulls aggro. (It’s not quite that simple, but I’m going to gloss over details and exceptions since I spent so much text on the preamble up above).

Once upon a time, taunts could miss, and so Hit was marginally more interesting than it is today. Once upon a time, having a boss parry your attacks could speed up its swing timer, which turned Expertise into a (often weak) survival stat. Boss parries felt very random though, both in the sense that sometimes the tank would suddenly take much more damage than anticipated and there was no easy way to know which bosses had parry speed up. (Today, you can assume none of them do.) Until recently, interrupts could miss, but asking a tank to stack a bunch of Hit just for those few opportunities when they were probably going to hit anyway but disaster would occur if they did not felt crummy too.

The problem is that there aren’t a lot of stats that are interesting to tanks. Stamina and Armor are great, but their stat budget is often in lockstep with item level. (It would be interesting to consider if we could make that not the case once again, but that’s the topic for another blog.) We got rid of Defense as a stat that tanks needed to worry about. We have managed to make Mastery pretty good to excellent for tanks, so that’s at least one stat they like to see. Dodge and (if you’re a plate-wearer) Parry are good, and slightly interesting because of talents like Hold the Line. But beyond that, it starts to go downhill. Sure Haste and Crit can sometimes be fun, but really they often aren’t worth the trade off. That leaves us with Hit and Expertise. We’d like to make them more interesting to tanks. But how?

One way is by turning them into defensive stats. They are defensive stats for Blood death knights, because the DK self-healing is tied into Death Strike, which can miss. It might be possible to do something similar for the other classes. Imagine if Shield Block had to actually hit the target. Presumably you raise your shield, but not high enough to intercept the incoming blow. Now hit becomes a mitigation stat for warriors as well. We might have to adjust the mitigation amount on Shield Block or give warriors a small Hit bonus so Hit capping wasn’t totally unreasonable, but you get the basic idea. You could do the same with paladins (make Holy Shield more interesting?) and druids as well (Savage Defense could proc on a hit).

Is this a good idea? We’re not sure yet. You won’t see this change in the 4.1 patch for certain. There are trade-offs to making Hit and Expertise more valuable. Gearing as a tank might be more fun for experienced players, but it also might be more challenging for less experienced players. The number of struggling tanks in your Dungeon Finder groups might go up. Some less knowledgeable players (and to be fair, this stuff doesn’t exactly explain itself on the character sheet) might stack Hit way too high at the expense of a more valuable mitigation stat, such as mastery.

It is the kind of thing we’re talking about though, and if you want to make a contribution to the tanking forums but aren’t quite sure on a topic, here is one potential possibility.

-Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is the lead systems designer of World of Warcraft. He still has Buru’s Skull Fragment.
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  1. sdgrover91's Avatar
    For someone like myself and my wife. I believe this will be a great service. We transferred our main toons from a PVE server to a PVP server to raid with some RL friends during the last couple months of WotLK. Both toons are Day 1 toons having well over 500 days played on each toon. Since the release of Cata we have seen a dramatic drop in membership due to the lack of raid progression. I will not get into the reasons for that because they have been dragged through the mud on so many other threads it would be pointless to bring them up here. With the release of Rift we lost the three main officers and the GM. They turned the guild over to my and I would love to be able to transfer the guild, including bank, rep, and rewards to a PVE server. I would love to not loose another guild bank, this one with 7 tabs, to a server change as we already have 2 guilds with 6 tab banks on servers we no longer enjoy playing on.

    I think this is a great idea and look forward to the implementation of this on live servers.
  1. Kazlehoff's Avatar
    Gruid Transfer is a terrible idea. this is going to go SO SO BADLY.
  1. darkz's Avatar
    The thing about every single item from their shop, is that it's vanity item. The thing about every paid service is that you essentially NEVER have to use it, if you dont want to.

    Dont make a big deal about this. It will help the guys willing to spent the bucks on changing server with their guilds, it will change NOTHING for the average person.

    Drama for drama's sake is so boring.
  1. Rolly's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Fojos View Post
    They don't make close to hundreds of millions profit. You really don't know what you're talking about.
    Have a read http://investor.activision.com/reports.cfm those numbers you see, you know those ones that are in the thousands, each one of those represents a million dollars. So 1000 of those numbers equal 1000 million dollars and "HOly Cow" how much is a billion dollars, well there Junior, 1000 million equals 1 billion. And notice the name at the top, it's Activision/Blizzard, as in one company.
  1. Cyclops's Avatar
    The thing that worries me about hit/expertise is the lack of mitigation stats that are available on these items as well. For the most part (from a feral tank perspective) I avoid hit and expertise like the plague because it offers very little to no advantages for me.

    I currently run 10mans in which I am VERY constantly asked to kick for our runs to be successful. I love that, I love not only having to cycle cooldowns and maintain threat/make raid calls and positioning adjustments, but be able to go from a 'good tank' to a 'great tank'. The misses on kicks in P2 Nefarian make me hate that, but with the upcoming fix to interrupts that should be taken care of.

    My concern is the additional stat stacking that tanks already have too much of. As a feral we need a lot of stam, agil, dodge, mastery. That is 4 stats to stack (not mentioning armor because its tier capped anyways). On my lock, I only need hit, haste and int. Yea parts of crit/mastery can help, but they are not essential. If you make hit/expertise necessary for tanks (again just from a feral standpoint) we will need to have 6 different stats to stack. namely stam (more hps and higher vengeance stack for more self heals and SD procs), agil (dodge, and higher vengeance stack), crit(SD procs only on crit), mastery(higher SD cap) expertise and hit.

    To me 6 stats is a little far fetched for most tanks that play this game... I already see the average tank as sub par due to the LFG tool and having to deal with slow/bad tanks. Let alone requiring them to learn how to gem/gear correctly. It will be a designer nightmare that in my opinion would be better left alone
  1. Asciiguy's Avatar
    I stopped reading at "Goatcrawler". Mostly because I started laughing so hard I could not continue.
  1. Ormen's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by darkz View Post
    The thing about every single item from their shop, is that it's vanity item. The thing about every paid service is that you essentially NEVER have to use it, if you dont want to.

    Dont make a big deal about this. It will help the guys willing to spent the bucks on changing server with their guilds, it will change NOTHING for the average person.

    Drama for drama's sake is so boring.
    Technically the mount (soon to be mounts) do affect game play not significantly perhaps but they still do it. Consider the fact that by purchasing this mount you now have a mount on every character that works for every level of mount. This means you will save the gold for every level of mount that you would other wise buy. It's not a huge amount of gold, especially after the mount changes that made only your riding skill effect speed, but still it does effect game play to some slight degree.

    Any way the problem with more "services" of this kind is as mentioned previously that it is a pay to play mmo not a free to play one, this is essentially becoming pay to play and micro transaction bullshit on top of that. Not to mention that it's extremely poor value for money. Say I want to transfer my Horde character to play with my friends who are playing alliance on another server, well thats 20 euro for server chance and another 30 for faction change totaling 50 euro, I can get a brand new spanking game for that money and thats just to start playing, then I have to pay for subscription fees on top of that.

    Just my two cents.
  1. gyoz's Avatar
    guild name change i likes that probely around 10-15 bucks would be worth it though
  1. nsctpsm's Avatar
    I thought that micro-transaction meant that you pay for content, not services; i.e. you pay to be able to access a certain part of the game or to be able to have sweet gear that give you an edge.
  1. Zaon's Avatar
    Interesting ideas i know of few guilds looking to move this would suit them well without harming there rep with the guild.
  1. jimme's Avatar
    Will paid guild transfer be in patch 4.1 or is it further into the future?

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