Arena and RBG Conquest Change

Considering that I am in full BiS epic gear in PvP, this will not matter to me that much, for the rest of this season. However, as for the rest who are not, and for everyone who is going to PvP the coming seasons, this is just over the top. I mean, how the heck are you going to have time to get 20+ wins in Arena per week when having high rating, especially if you have a busy week, in real life?

Granted, 5 wins per week may have been too little, and frankly even less if you do rated BGs, too, but why then couldn't they have made the requirement for keeping your rating active a static number, like it was before "Cataclysm"? What I mean by that, is that even if you have capped for the week, you need to have played let's say 10 games for that week, in Arena, to be able to get the extended Conquest Points cap, the next reset. Then it doesn't matter if you have capped, already, since you still need to play those games to keep your extended cap, if you have enough rating for it.

Originally Posted by gilinar

Back when cataclysm was first introduced, i was one of the people who disliked the system of only requiring 5 games to get your conquest points for the week. however, now that i sit on a 2870 cap and have 2400+ teams, a 135 flat rate seems a bit out of hand. i hardly run rated bgs (most of my server is rather uncoordinated in pvp) so i rely on the arenas for points.. i just don't have the time to sit in 10 minute + queues for an arena at my MMR for more than 20 games. i do hope this number gets increased, otherwise anyone with a high cap is going to suffer without a solid rated bg team.

If you have so high rating why do you want to get conquest points? you must have the best gear atm. I dont see why u got to get capped every week?

Originally Posted by Rioo

Geez, I've played for 5 wins/week so my pal can get geared before we go for any serious rating, but even so we got 2000k rating and that's like 17 games I think. And that's if we win all 17 games, lol, probably more like 23-25 games a week now.

Thanks Blizzard for fixing something that isn't broken instead of stuff that are broken. Retards.

This.
The new system wasn't broken and there are so many ways to fix higher rating's problems, which actually apply to what? %0.5 of the arena player community only?
This is not a smart way to solve this at the last second, not smart at all. You have to think about all aspects of the community, you give 7 consecutive valor earning from hcs for casual pve'ers and take away this from pvp'ers? Sorry but I can't calculate the logic behind this and with the "we may have fucked it up a bit, it can be too low, we can arrange that later" remark, it just seems worse.
Let the well earned flame come, all the way...

hmm im not the best pvper in world. but i do get +- 2,5 k points per weeks. this means i have to win 19 games per weeks. with a win / loss of only slightly over 50 %, i have to play nearly 40 games over a weeks course. a game lasts 10-15 (caster melee dps, heal shamman at a very hard battled rating range, shortly under 2,2 weapon cutoff) mins, with 5-10 mins que time. this means 25 per game by 40 = 1000 minutes, or 16,7 hours auf arena (upper cap, of course some games ar faster). for the weekly cap. omfg. this cant be real.

this is just sad :/ way to low

tbh this change is needed to stop all the people farming arena under 1hr now its gonna take longer and might give rated bgs a chance

Well I have to say as a pvper I actually like the change. This whole culture of 5 wins in less than an hour on one evening to get cap and then forget it for another week is just rubbish. Its been far to easy to get decent gear and pretend to be a pvper. Just about everyone does the mandatory 5 wins per week and imo it was spoiling pvp. People should do arena because they enjoy it, where does it say u cant spread out your arena matches over the week? 10 wins is still not alot over a 7 day period and those that lose way more than they win might actually learn some skill in order to get the gear!

Originally Posted by dragonx

tbh this change is needed to stop all the people farming arena under 1hr now its gonna take longer and might give rated bgs a chance

jk 10 min queues 30 min games still ~50% win ratio if you aren't getting 2200 teams vs your ~100 avg team rating

Originally Posted by redraven937

4) The lack of empathy from obvious PvE players who never Arena'd to save their life is just sad. This is the equivalent of them reducing the VP you get from dungeons from 70 to 35 (or 140 to 70), but leaving the weekly cap the same. How would you feel about suddenly needing to run twice as many heroics per week? Oh wait, "it isn't necessary to cap VP each week" so nothing changes, right?

I am sorry, but I will never have empathy for anyone, who think they need to reach a cap in the game just because there is a cap.
I have Arena'd and a lot. Hundreds of games per week some times. And not just because of rewards, but because I actually enjoyed the process.
And of course it isn't necessary to cap VP each week.
No caps are mandatory in this game. They are just there to stop the extreme kind of nolifers to outprogress others by miles and then QQ how there is nothing at all to do in the game.

Originally Posted by LeBron

10 whole games? That's too much for you? Gtfo and play hello kitty online!

You forgot to read down to the part where I, personally, have to do 23 wins.

And when I have 4 characters. Yes, it's a bit much. Sure, on my main most weeks I play much more than that, on my alts..not really. But if I don't play 40 games one week, I won't get 3k conquest..if this continues into S10, where I actually need conquest, I will be very upset.

And yeah, 10 wins is a bit much for your average casual. That's on average, like 20 games, less if you play a decent comp, with good gear, a lot more if you're trying like hpally/rogue, because no one else will play 10 wins with you.

Stupid troll.

Originally Posted by dragonx

tbh this change is needed to stop all the people farming arena under 1hr now its gonna take longer and might give rated bgs a chance

It is a terrible change, regardless. Sure, doing rated BGs will make it easier to cap, but take note to three important points:

1: It will still take a lot of time winning all the rated BGs, at high ratings.

2: The amount of wins required in either Arenas or rated BGs will too be many, especially when considering that you simply do not win 100% of the games, which is actually impossible to begin with, unless you are too good for that current rating (Low ratings, that is.).

3: You can pretty much forget playing an alt, in PvP, since you will probably not have time to cap for more than one character.

This is a terrible change to anyone who is a top PvPer and is doing well. You can barely even guarantee that you will be able to cap each week, which is essential if you want to stay on top, when you aren't in BiS gear, which is a huge percentage of the PvP playerbase.

Honestly I like the change more matches = more rating increases, I thought 5 matches originally was a bit low for arena basicaly the system was spend MAYBE an hour doing arena get the 5 matches and wait till next tuesday (this was an unbelievably dumb system). Not only that but the absurd amount of guild rep we got today from doing them was freaking amazing.

Also if you're complaining about having to do more fights in higher end arena and never being able to get your points, if you're in a high end rating you...really....don't.....need more gear? You should be sitting on a very large amount of vicious pieces and half the time your comps are just gonna get rolfstomped by the better ones anyway. The rating system exists to make sure you stay in the bracket that you belong in until you get better it's just the way it was. I did 2's today with my teammate and had some trouble at the beginning but then got in the knick of things again after not doing arena for a week and got our 10 wins in no time.

Right now, you just do arenas one day a week (except if you're grinding rating). This change will probably make people do arenas several days a week, which should be the case, and not just go into arenas one day for two hours.

Having said that, I'm not too sure I like these changes. I think what they're trying to do is legit, but I don't think it's the best way to do it.

As for RBG, it will be even easier to cap Conquests for your standart 5 2.7k+ rated players and 5 100-200 rated rating tanker alt combo team. You'll still be gaining rating of your mains up slowly and fast Conquests by obliterating the averate 1.4k trade pug you generally meet.

Tbh, this kind of system abuse is what must be fixed ASAP.

Originally Posted by Ny0ka

Well I have to say as a pvper I actually like the change. This whole culture of 5 wins in less than an hour on one evening to get cap and then forget it for another week is just rubbish. Its been far to easy to get decent gear and pretend to be a pvper. Just about everyone does the mandatory 5 wins per week and imo it was spoiling pvp. People should do arena because they enjoy it, where does it say u cant spread out your arena matches over the week? 10 wins is still not alot over a 7 day period and those that lose way more than they win might actually learn some skill in order to get the gear!

Except that it penalizes the people who are actually playing at high ratings, while people who only try to cap and do not work for their ratings get the least amount of problems capping, since they simply have a smaller cap, to begin with!

Originally Posted by MysticCookie

So it's 10 games per week rather than 5 now? *in monotonous voice* Way to go Blizzard keep on good work killing the game damn wrath babies I'm quiting for Rift

wrath babies? ismell troll?
cos u had to play 10 games before to get wins
10 wins aint hard
stop complaining and go to rift then if its so much better

Originally Posted by Frozen Death Knight

Except that it penalizes the people who are actually playing at high ratings, while people who only try to cap and do not work for their ratings get the least amount of problems capping, since they simply have a smaller cap, to begin with!

But it makes sense; People at higher ratings will have to work harder. It's only logical.

Originally Posted by Zelcor

Honestly I like the change more matches = more rating increases, I thought 5 matches originally was a bit low for arena basicaly the system was spend MAYBE an hour doing arena get the 5 matches and wait till next tuesday (this was an unbelievably dumb system). Not only that but the absurd amount of guild rep we got today from doing them was freaking amazing.

Also if you're complaining about having to do more fights in higher end arena and never being able to get your points, if you're in a high end rating you...really....don't.....need more gear? You should be sitting on a very large amount of vicious pieces and half the time your comps are just gonna get rolfstomped by the better ones anyway. The rating system exists to make sure you stay in the bracket that you belong in until you get better it's just the way it was. I did 2's today with my teammate and had some trouble at the beginning but then got in the knick of things again after not doing arena for a week and got our 10 wins in no time.

If they had gone with the idea that you only need to do 10 games, I would not have complained, since that's the system that was used since Arena got introduced in "TBC". This, however, is simply just stupid. It penalizes people with alts to such a degree that it's not worth playing more than one character in PvP and it penalizes high rated people who are still gearing up and makes it even uncertain if you can even cap for the week.

If they don't want people to be able to cap their Conquest Points, why couldn't they have lowered the 3k maximum cap to a lower number, instead? Why couldn't they have made it a requirement to do a certain amount of games to be able to keep their cap, in the bracket? Why penalize a high rated player's Conquest Points income, if they are still gearing up? They could have done a much better job fixing the issues they were set out to do, but instead they created even more problems when the issue was not even big, to begin with.

Originally Posted by Frozen Death Knight

If they had gone with the idea that you only need to do 10 games, I would not have complained, since that's the system that was used since Arena got introduced in "TBC". This, however, is simply just stupid. It penalizes people with alts to such a degree that it's not worth playing more than one character in PvP and it penalizes high rated people who are still gearing up and makes it even uncertain if you can even cap for the week.

If they don't want people to be able to cap their Conquest Points, why couldn't they have lowered the 3k maximum cap to a lower number, instead? Why couldn't they have made it a requirement to do a certain amount of games to be able to keep their cap, in the bracket? Why penalize a high rated player's Conquest Points income, if they are still gearing up? They could have done a much better job fixing the issues they were set out to do, but instead they created even more problems when the issue was not even big, to begin with.

Why does nobody mention that rated BG's give 3 times the Conquest Point value? I think they try to lure people to do more rated BG's.