Tier 12 Sets Bonuses, Patch 4.2 Character Selection Screen

Originally Posted by infernity

it's so that people can see throughout the dungeon if they're still eligible for the reward, as there were complaints that they way it is advertised thus far has been false. CtA doesn't occur when you queue, it's when the final boss is killed. so if one queues when, let's say, healers called, that doesn't necessarily mean that healers will receive the reward. this is just to clarify who will receive what. though it may well mean that people hold off killing the final boss till they get "called"

Dunno where you got that idea, cause there's nothing like that in the hotfix notes.. I remember there was some problems with ppl getting the satchel, but you get it when final boss is killed, no matter what the CtA is atm. If healers have CtA when you queue, you're gonna get the satchel no matter what the situation is when the dungeon is completed. What Sofii is saying is exactly what i've been thinkin when i read that. Showing tanks (and healers) what they're gonna get when they finish is a bad idea, cause it's gonna lead to a lot of quitting for not getting what you want. For top geared tanks/healers the gold + blue gem/potion ain't gonna be reason enough to run with randoms, but not knowing what you will get has the excitement to pull it off.

Wow coolest info ever! I'm looking forward to change my main back up and to get that shiny new mount from rated battlegrounds.

Originally Posted by F-Minus

So now something you have to look for and then click on is a direct heal?

It boils down to other players to utilize it. If no-one utilizes it, it's as if this bonus doesn't exist on my set, so yeah it's shit, even if it's 90% utilized it's still shit as all the other 4p set bonuses up-till-now were always 100% utilized.

A) It's a random chance that the Cauterizing Flame spawns (shit)
B) You can't count on it to heal people 'cause it's random (shit)
C) You can't count on it to heal people 'cause it might spawn away from everyone, and moving to it is not an option (healer standing away from group for various reasons, if it spawns on the healer)
D) People have to find it and click it (shit)

The list goes on...

As said come back and join the debate when your DPS/Tank class has such a 4p set, that requires others to actually make it viable; Leave this discussion to the healers and foremost priests.

Valid points, but until we know where it positions itself, there's not really any point trying to judge it, as that will determine the use. Random is not shit, it's like bundles of the other sets - and having to click it is not 'shit' it means that you can take that heal whenever you want it. And before you rant about the priest thing, yes, I have 2 raidhealers, no neither are priests. My priest just broke 80, though, and I do raid with priests, so it's not like I'm talking from zero experience here. If the well spawns by the priest, I'll join you in disliking it. If it spawns by the target... that's better, but could still be an issue on some fights. The thing I would point out is that Lightwell is a huge heal, so it's not really analogous to other set bonuses at all - if this was just another proc, it'd be something far less dramatic that a lightwell charge.

Anyway, I'm not going to dwell on this - peace, guys. Looking forward to 4.2 already wonder what they'll reveal next that rocks hard?

I dont know about the 2 pc set on priest healing! Would be awesome in pvp, maybe or maybe not.

While I love the Resto Shaman bonuses, there is no way the 2-Piece is going live as is. 40% to give 1% mana back over 3 consecutive hots can pretty much guarantee constant regen if all riptides are up.

Wow. The Piece Bonuses are actually really interesting. It's nice to see them reflecting on the raid!

this time the set bonuses are not boring

So.. 4 piece gives priests lightwell mk.2?

shadow and paladin prot bonus's seems nice but the 75sec shadowfiend cd reduction is epic

and bout time i could change my characters order

have to agree with f-minus on this one. The fact that we are the only class where, in order to maximise the 4piece, we require player interaction seems crazy. The other healer set bonus', especially shammies and druids, as such huge throughput increases to well used spells that it seems like the only way we can keep up is to go for the regen boost through a more frequent SF.

Regardless of if the ember scales with spellpower or spawns and follows etc is not the point. The point is that it is out of our control. It is up to the player. In a world where its about looking where to move next, looking at boss timers and looking at spells to get your rotation right, no dps is going to be looking for an ember floating around because it will help out the poor priest.

2 holy set
2 shadow set
Spec switch to veiled shadows and stack haste all the way. The boost in regen every 2 and a half minutes will help us try and compete with the other healers int he fact that we can keep on trucking for longer with increased output from the haste.

So far, im really dissapointed with this patch in relation to healing priests. the tier looks shit, and now so is the set bonus.

The resto druid bonuses are awesome, too bad I dont raid on my druid... lol .P
Not to happy about the warlock bonuses, could be awesome for demo if demo mastery is benefitting the fiery imp that spawns.

Originally Posted by F-Minus

So now something you have to look for and then click on is a direct heal?

It boils down to other players to utilize it. If no-one utilizes it, it's as if this bonus doesn't exist on my set, so yeah it's shit, even if it's 90% utilized it's still shit as all the other 4p set bonuses up-till-now were always 100% utilized.

A) It's a random chance that the Cauterizing Flame spawns (shit)
B) You can't count on it to heal people 'cause it's random (shit)
C) You can't count on it to heal people 'cause it might spawn away from everyone, and moving to it is not an option (healer standing away from group for various reasons, if it spawns on the healer)
D) People have to find it and click it (shit)

If not player utilizes it, it's the players' fault, not yours or of the set bonus.
A) It's random, but it's free.
B) You must not count on it. Intelligent people will use it to reduce strain on healers.
C) We don't know where it spawns, obviously we will use it if it's near not if it pops over 9000 yd from us. That's why i say that it SHOULD pop near healed target. For the rest, read B.
D) Read C; again, clicking something like lightwell requires 0 effort. If you cannot do it, you are dumb, really. I feel sorry for you.

Don't call shit a design which is, in fact, intelligent. It's meant like this because you DON'T NEED TO RELY ON IT. Skilled players will make a good use of it, dumb ones will simply ignore it and tunnelvision the boss. Like always

edit: i healed a lot with my priest. and i love this design. another barrier to separate bad players from skilled ones.

Why are priests QQing, 2pc holy + 2pc shadow is like inf mana

some of these t12 bonus look extremely op while other seem to be pretty shit.

Shadowpriest sets seem quite weak..

No not really, made me say wtf out loud.. in class..

Holy Paladins finally get some decent set bonuses. And boy are they nice!

If not player utilizes it, it's the players' fault, not yours or of the set bonus.

sorry but no. again in order to get the most out of it, it requires player interaction which, given the amount dps have to watch for these days, its just wrong. ALL other healer bonus' are in the players control or are passive. i would be fine if the other healing set bonus' required the same kind of player interaction as ours does, but it doesn't.

FUCK YEAH.. like the warlock bonus ( shadowbolt spam for sure) - and so nice with the character screen change <3

Patch 4.2 Character Selection Screen

WIN

Originally Posted by Coldkil

* Rogue 4 Pieces - Your Tricks of the Trade ability also causes you to gain a 25% increase to one of your combat ratings at random for 30 sec.

Random? I hope they'll fix it to mastery for assa and haste for combat/sub. Don't want to get a 25% crit rating increase (too much useless). Anyway a free boost is always accepted

Someone didn't notice the 2 pc bonus did they...