Cross-Realm Dungeon Feature Coming Soon

Originally Posted by hollycrapp

Having a different mount or pet or being on different realm/having different looks does not change your dps/heals/speed/speed of points grinding. This does, it's not the same thing.

If running a 5 man dungeon with friends gives you the upperhand in the game, I've got REALLY bad news for you.

Originally Posted by Prem

Would you rather Blizzard increased subs by, say €5 and let everyone have access to these "side" features, regardless of whether they want them or not?

Let's be brutally honest here too, I doubt many people in this thread would even use this feature (even if free), and if had just been announced as free, there'd probably be 30 posts with a general "meh" apathy instead of 75 pages.

Lol blizzard isn't losing anything when they make said "side features" that are supposed to be in game (if dungeon finder is free feature then this should as well be, like real ID is free too). Only that they got a brilliant idea straight from the heavens that they CAN charge us for any feature they implement in game! They could just as well had made dungeon finder premium, and it even took hella lot more time to implement compared to this

So Mr. Ranor do you have an argument against my last statement?

Originally Posted by Ranor

From Neth on the official forums.

Originally Posted by Neth

I promise you that we will take all due consideration into what is being said no matter what the end result is.

This reminds me of a recent article about the TSA.

Originally Posted by The Joker

The Joker said "You know what I’ve noticed? Nobody panics when things go “according to plan.” Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it’s all “part of the plan.”

Originally Posted by TSA

A video taken of one of our officers patting down a six year-old has attracted quite a bit of attention. Some folks are asking if the proper procedures were followed. Yes. TSA has reviewed the incident and the security officer in the video followed the current standard operating procedures.

Originally Posted by Julian Sanchez

...the response suggests that TSA thinks our concerns should be assuaged once we’ve been reassured that everything is being done by the book—even if the book is horrifying. But in a sense, that’s the underlying idea behind all security theater: Show people that there’s a Plan, that procedures are in place, whether or not there’s any good evidence that the Plan actually makes us safer.

As long as "Blizzard's listening", we can vent and feel better. Nothing changes. They aren't really listening. But we feel better. (and then Blizzard locks the official forum thread on the topic... so now they REALLY aren't listening)

Originally Posted by Zeshiro

So Mr. Ranor do you have an argument against my last statement?

Mind quoting it for me, I must've missed it and don't feel like going back and finding it.

Originally Posted by Ranor

If running a 5 man dungeon with friends gives you the upperhand in the game, I've got REALLY bad news for you.

"For any fresh-dinged 85, our guild offers free boosts to gear you up for a raid for half a day. Will run chain HCs, till you have 346/353 in every slot ! Free Amani bear included. Wisp XXX on YYY servers. Price is 20 000 gold."

Originally Posted by bergmann620

That's what, 1,000 people? 5,000?

Sorry, nothing on the forums is truly 'big' at this point.

The vast majority of WoW players will likely not even know this has been added.

trust me alot of the players that dont know yet will know when every one on these forums runs to their guild or real ID tells everyone about it

Originally Posted by WingsofLiberty

no ...blizzard really arent 11 mil subscribers x 12 $ per month enough for you ?

It is actually $15 a month and about half of them or so are from chinese servers that use pay per hour or something method.


Whatever the numbers are they are a lot.

Originally Posted by hollycrapp

"For any fresh-dinged 85, our guild offers free boosts to gear you up for a raid for half a day. Will run chain HCs, till you have 346/353 in every slot ! Free Amani bear included. Wisp XXX on YYY servers. Price is 20 000 gold."

That would be a logical argument if you could trade gold in the RDF \ crossrealm dungeons\BG's.

But you can't. Next.

Originally Posted by Zeshiro

It's not the same thing actually, I don't know if you've read my previous posts but let me explain it here:

Server transfers made my server worse. No really they did. I'm pretty sure Blizzard indeed stated THAT is why they cost money.

This new feature cannot harm a server. It cannot harm the game.

This Mr. Ranor

Originally Posted by Ranor

That would be a logical argument if you could trade gold in the RDF \ crossrealm dungeons\BG's.

But you can't. Next.

4 man needed, at least 1 with premium. 1 of those chars is on your server, he gets all the gold. Wisping someone, he puts up a 4man group, 1 of them from your realm. Could possibly cover all realms with enough coordination.

Originally Posted by Nyoa

Because they pay for the development from our 13€/month?

What do you think Blizzard employees should do on their vacations? That's also paid from your "13€/month"

Well, I'm sorry that server transfers apparently killed your server. That's unfortunate and really makes me question -why- it killed your server. However this -is- the same thing. It's an additional service that is not included in your monthly sub \ not a feature promised with the launch of Cataclysm.

By your logic, name changes shouldn't cost money because they don't harm the server. Mobile AH shouldn't cost because they don't harm the server. Mobile guild chat shouldn't either. Race changes also shouldn't cost because they don't harm the server.

However, these all do cost because they are all additional services that you are not entitled to with your $15 a month, just like this new feature.

4 man needed, at least 1 with premium. 1 of those chars is on your server, he gets all the gold. Wisping someone, he puts up a 4man group, 1 of them from your realm. Could possibly cover all realms with enough coordination.

So. You're saying the person on your realm would get all of the gold and the other people won't get any of the gold. I mean, as it stands, if I wanted I could grab four guildies and grab a random fifth and charge them for a bear \ full gear from ZA \ ZG and make mad bank. I'm not really seeing your point because I'm beginning to think you don't have one.

Originally Posted by Nyoa

Lol blizzard isn't losing anything when they make said "side features" that are supposed to be in game (if dungeon finder is free feature then this should as well be, like real ID is free too). Only that they got a brilliant idea straight from the heavens that they CAN charge us for any feature they implement in game! They could just as well had made dungeon finder premium, and it even took hella lot more time to implement compared to this

So you are the authority of what is "supposed" to be in the game now? Yes, Blizzard loses, development costs money. I'd rather they make the small amount of people who wanted this functionality pay for the development, rather than all of those who didn't really care. People here are just hunting for things to make conspiracy theories or cry about in general.

Originally Posted by bergmann620

First off, don't put words in my mouth.

Second, what is a "retarded logic of lovering product quality"?

Third, I know they evolve. What you don't get is that some features they provide for free (Firelands, ZA/ZG, etc) and some, you have to pay extra for. You can have an opinion as to which one is which, but that doesn't make it fact.

I think the Bolded part is what he meant when he talked about retarded logic. There is a reason we already pay monthly fee for this game

Originally Posted by Laughriot

Sorry, I don't get it. If you don't like the service, don't pay for it. I have never once bought a pet or mount from the store, paid for a character recustomization, race changed, or faction changed. I do not have mobile armory, or remote guild chat.

I also don't complain about the fact that they cost money.

I know you don't get it. If you're willing to listen to the more sober voices, we can explain it to you.

Those paid-for things aren't a problem. Paying to specify which cross-realm players you want to be in your cross-realm group isn't a problem either.

This isn't the last paid-for service they will invent. That is the problem. In the past, our $200/year has gotten us new things in the game. Blizzard has changed its policy; it's realized that it can continue charging the $200/year, but charge for new features too. This is a fundamental change in the way they intend to extract money from their subscribers. It matters.

First they came for the pet collectors, and I said nothing because I wasn't a pet collector...

They have Top Men coming up with cheap stuff they can start charging for, and expensive stuff they can start charging a lot for. So maybe you get it now, if you're still reading (which you aren't). It would have been quicker to write "Sorry, I don't get it, and I don't care to."

Originally Posted by Nyoa

I think the Bolded part is what he meant when he talked about retarded logic. There is a reason we already pay monthly fee for this game

You paid for the game when you bought it. You pay for access to their servers when you subscribe. Everything else is at Blizzard's discretion. That's not logic, it's just how it is.

They shouldn't monetize any "social" features in the game. This is really bad, and I'm really surprised in a negative way that Blizzard is doing something like that. If they keep doing that, they'll make more players quit.

OK to charge money for:
- remote auction house
- style items which don't increase character power (mounts, pets, ...)
- mobile armory (I know it's free, but they should rather make the chat stuff free than things like this)
- the game itself (monthly fee), helps ensure quality of servers and content updates

NOT OK to charge money for:
- remote guild/friends chat
- dungeon finder with friends

This should be common sense in a MMORPG.

I love WoW and Blizzard quality gameplay, but things like that really make me take a closer look at some upcoming alternatives like GW2.

Originally Posted by Ranor

That would be a logical argument if you could trade gold in the RDF \ crossrealm dungeons\BG's.

But you can't. Next.

$3.99 per trade. Coming soon. You know it's true.

Apologize to hollycrapp.

Originally Posted by Ranor

That's the thing. I'm not going to be paying extra for something that I'm already paying for.

My $15 a month allows me access to the Warcraft servers and allows me to play the game that was created. That's what your $15 a month allows you too. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't know where this notion that your $15 allows you to gain access to everything Blizzard ever does came from, but it's definitely a misconception.

It's been used before, but it's like paying money to get into an amusement park and then expecting all of the concessions to come free. It just doesn't work that way.

Most of the arguments here are flawed and presented in a way the only someone who is flustered about not getting their way would do. It's sad, but true.

you pay that 15/m or 13/m for playing this game. Playing in cross realms with friends is included in said game so i fail to see how they should make us pay extra for it. If you wanted to play SC2 and not pay for it because you already pay for wow THEN you should pay extra, like you do anyways