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Community Blog - Asks the Dev #8 - Firelands
The new "Ask the Dev" is out and it seems that the Abyssal Maw dungeon is officially cancelled/postponed for the moment.
Originally Posted by Takralus (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Welcome to the answers thread for our World of Warcraft "Ask the Devs" global Q&A. These answers are in response to the round #8 questions, which can be seen here: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2098312571

Q: What happened with the Abyssal Maw dungeon that was supposed to come with Firelands? – Maryjanee (EU-EN), Espiritu (NA)

A: Our initial plan for this raid tier was to have fewer bosses in Firelands and a small number of bosses in the Abyssal Maw. As we looked more closely at Firelands, though, we realized that it deserved more bosses. We also got excited about designing item art (and set bonuses!) that were very fiery in nature, and the Molten Front questing area was turning out to be really cool, so we ended up piling more resources into Firelands. That led to the decision to focus on one strong theme (fire), rather than a more diluted fire-and-water theme.

The case for Abyssal Maw pitch was that we could reuse a lot of existing assets (the fights were to take place in a giant shelled demigod like Nespirah), and while we are willing to do that, we thought Abyssal Maw would just pale in comparison to the magnificence of the Firelands. So, we put all of our eggs into that one basket. We’ve decided for now that the Vashj’ir quest line along with the Throne of the Tides dungeon does a pretty good job of finishing the Neptulon story.


Q: A majority of the fights in T11 favored having little or no Melee DPS. Are there plans to fix this? – Merissa (NA), Espiritu (NA)

A: We view this more of a class problem than an encounter problem. It used to be the case that casters really suffered whenever they had to move, which was the penalty they paid in order to make up for the fact that melee took a lot of extra damage. Nowadays, melee classes don’t really take that much extra damage, and we’ve also given casters a number of movement-oriented tools designed to keep their DPS from dropping as much as it used to when they are asked to shoot-and-scoot.

Whenever there are situations in an encounter that encourage grouping, the ranged often move into melee (with the occasional exception for hunters), but melee never move to ranged. Any of the fights that punish clumping also tend to punish melee more. We recognize all of these problems, as do many players, but it’s challenging to address them quickly. For example, without compensation, casters would suffer a lot in PvP if their movement tools were suddenly stripped away.

In the meantime, we don’t want to over-constrain encounter design, or worse, make it feel very formulaic by getting to the point where players expect the “melee fight” to be followed by the “adds fight,” followed by the “Patchwerk fight,” then the “ranged fight.” We’re making sure that melee have some fights where they can shine in Firelands. To use just one example, the Sons of Flame on Ragnaros tend to be better handled by melee than ranged.


Q: When Tier 11 content was first launched, the majority of fights in 25-person were explicitly easier than the 10-person version, such as Nefarian and almost every Heroic encounter. Do you have plans to make content for 25 players more appealing in patch 4.2? – Wynter (EU-DE), Nisana (EU-FR), Espiritu (NA)

A: The supposition that easier content is less appealing in the question is a bit puzzling given how few guilds have been able to finish the heroic 25 encounters. In any event, it wasn’t that we set out to make sure 10s and 25s were different. If anything, we wanted to make sure that 25s weren’t significantly harder, since many of the 25-player guilds were convinced we were trying to force them to become 10-player raiding guilds.

There were some fights at launch where 10s were too challenging (and some fights where the opposite was true), but we view those as nails in a board that need to be either beat down or pried up until they are more even with everything else. Progress in NA and EU on the 25-player content was faster than on the 10-player content, but this was probably largely because most progression oriented guilds in those regions were already focused on 25-player raids. This is also a regional difference. In Korea for example, there are a lot of hardcore raiding guilds focused on heroic 10-player content.


Q: Will we see anything of a sympathetic view of why Fandral Staghelm changed allegiances before he meets his demise? – Lorinall (NA)

A: Not every villain in World of Warcraft gets a chance at redemption. In Firelands, the new majordomo will show you no mercy, so we don’t recommend holding back. However, one of the final quest rewards available from the Leyara quest line in the Molten Front daily quest area will give you a chance to see another side of the former archdruid.


Q: It can be anticipated that mana regeneration and maximum mana will increase from gearing up with the new Firelands equipment. Isn’t there a possibility that healers can spam big heals again (and more quick heals) just like in WotLK? If so, is there any plan to handle this without class nerfs? – Whitewnd (KR)

A: As damage increases, healers will need to use their largest, most inefficient heals more regularly to keep up. That’s fine and was all part of the design. We just didn’t want players to opt out of mana regeneration too early in the content because then Spirit (and mana-related procs) on gear wouldn’t be attractive, and because we’d have to balance difficulty by making the tanks die in a couple of GCDs if not healed continually. Most progression-oriented healers still want large amounts of Spirit, often in every single slot. As they get more comfortable with their mana, they’ll be able to replace some of that Spirit with other stats, but the Spirit will still be valuable; more Spirit on a set piece for example might mean being able to use a different enchant or reforge on another piece.

This is still a much better place to be than we were with Lich King content, where mana stopped mattering in the first raid tier. Aside from the mana changes we’ve already made to Innervate, Mana Tide Totem and paladin heals, we don’t think an overall regen nerf is necessary.


Q: Do we have any plans to include events similar to the Wrath Gate? – Mushik (LA), 잔메르 (KR)

A: We have a short cinematic or two, but nothing on the scale of the Wrath Gate cinematic for 4.2. We enjoy that kind of epic spectacle and we’ll do it when it makes sense; however, we also received plenty of feedback from the Cataclysm questing experience that we occasionally took control away from players too often, especially in Uldum, in order to tell the story, so we want to be very careful when we do that in the future. That said, there are some very cinematic moments in 4.2 such as watching the druid trees on the Molten Front grow or seeing the bridge form to Sulfuron Keep.


Q: Will there be weekly missions in the Firelands similar to Icecrown Citadel in where the players were required to alter the dynamics of each encounter in order to complete them and receive rewards such as promordial saronite and gold? – Orisai (LA)

A: We aren’t doing these types of quests for the Firelands raid, but that doesn’t rule out us doing them again in some future tier of content.


Q: In Cataclysm, it has been hard to find unique raid mounts such as Siege Engines in Ulduar or Drakes in The Eye of Eternity. Can we expect to see battles using unique mounts or other objects among the Firelands raids? – 빛그리고사제 (KR)

A: We were worried players might be suffering from a little bit of encounter vehicle fatigue. We’ll do it when it makes sense for an encounter, but we don’t want players to get sick of seeing fights on vehicles.

There are several fight mechanics in Firelands that depart from usual “don’t stand in the fire” or ”interrupt important spells” routine. For example, you can fly during part of the Alysrazor encounter, you climb webs during the Beth’tilac encounter, and you steer Lord Rhyolith around in a manner very different from standard kiting. (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2219880)


Q: Is Ragnaros gonna have a speech about setbacks? – Gerox (NA)

A: TOO SOON, GEROX!


Hotfix: Battleground Multi-Queuing
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We recently implemented a hotfix that removes the ability for players to retain a second Battleground queue when one pops. Previously, players were able to queue for two Battlegrounds, have one queue pop and retain their second queue while they decided if they wanted to join the one that was ready. This is no longer the case. When a Battleground queue pops you will automatically be removed from the other active queue. To queue for a different Battleground it will be necessary to queue again.
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  1. Opaqus's Avatar
    A majority of the fights in T11 favored having little or no Melee DPS. Are there plans to fix this?
    We view this more of a class problem than an encounter problem.
    This is single-handedly one of the most retardest things I've seen them say.
  1. Blayze's Avatar
    "Not every villain in World of Warcraft gets a chance at redemption."

    That's entirely your fault for derping Fandral, along with damn near every other boss we've ever killed, into a screaming loony.
  1. asteest's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Noangel View Post
    What happens when we kill? Ragy in firelands I mean I thought we just banish them back to there only plane. Just curious
    and also boo to another allaince hero not getting redeemed
    He will pop out this quote

    "[currentlocation] is merely a setback!"

    I wouldn't like Fandal get a stupid raid death,lollooted by people
  1. Jathro's Avatar
    "Being eaten by Ozumat was merely a setback!"
    ~Neptulon
  1. Flaks's Avatar
    I love how they're hotfixing queueing for multiple battlegrounds before they even fix the problem of queues going well past the average wait time multiple times before you actually get into a bg.
  1. Brosemon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Collected View Post
    Sorry but I don't buy the 'Ooo we got excited about fire and decided to scrap Abyssal' explanation. Sounds like they dropped it because they're struggling just to finish firelands.
    OR, you could stop thinking Blizz is the big evil corporation and just accept what they said is true, becuase not every single thing Blizz says is a lie, like most people seem to think.
  1. greyghost's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ShiftyInc View Post
    wow they are really screwing things up lately. if they keep this stuff up they will lose another 10% for sure.
    lol. I like how people who keep using the "BLIZZ IS LOSING SUBSCRIBERS BECAUSE MY ASS ISN'T GETTING KISSED" argument keeps increasing the number of 'lost subscribers' as time goes on.
  1. randomone05's Avatar
    ok...E3 needs to get here in a damn hurry so i can know when TOR comes out so i can gtfo of this sinking ship called WoW. fail excuse for not finishing a dungeon is fail.
    and the whole "we decided to put all our eggs in one basket" statment....how high were they when they thought that? if old sayings counts for anything, you DONT put all ur damn eggs in one basket!
  1. Brosemon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by greyghost View Post
    lol. I like how people who keep using the "BLIZZ IS LOSING SUBSCRIBERS BECAUSE MY ASS ISN'T GETTING KISSED" argument keeps increasing the number of 'lost subscribers' as time goes on.
    ^
    i can has 10 chars plox?
  1. greyghost's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Brosemon View Post
    OR, you could stop thinking Blizz is the big evil corporation and just accept what they said is true, becuase not every single thing Blizz says is a lie, like most people seem to think.
    This.

    Blizzard is probably one of the most straightforward/frank game companies about their production times and their intents. The problem with their honesty and their willingness to express things they hope to include/work on in the future is that it causes rampant, rabid fan entitlement whenever they decide to scrap a smaller project to amp up quality on more important things, like a whole raid teir.

    "Wah, Blizzard is LAZY AND HATES US because they decided to produce one piece of FINISHED CONTENT than two pieces of mediocre content!"

    Besides, people who are pining for more 5-mans can just do the Teir 11 content during 4.2. All that stuff is getting so completely nerfed that you can probably roll into those dungeons wearing greens from Twilight Highlands, and 2 hours of killing T11 bosses will give you more points than 2 hours of doing heroics anyday.
  1. creepygnome's Avatar
    I don't know why I bother to read the Dev's Q & A anymore. It just always makes Blizz sound lazy, or uninterested in their own game. And maybe they are, and that is why the content is going the way it is. I guess for those of us that have played for 6+ years, and the game is getting boring, it might just be the same way for the people who have been working on it for probably 7-8+ years. They might want to move onto something new too.

    Granted I have to lawl, my boyfriend is so fed up with WoW he is trying Aion out again. >.>
  1. Huckfealing's Avatar
    "In the meantime, we don’t want to over-constrain encounter design, or worse, make it feel very formulaic by getting to the point where players expect the “melee fight” to be followed by the “adds fight,” followed by the “Patchwerk fight,” then the “ranged fight.” We’re making sure that melee have some fights where they can shine in Firelands. To use just one example, the Sons of Flame on Ragnaros tend to be better handled by melee than ranged."

    Really? So Blizzard is admitting Melee are not preferred, and not going to do exponential steps to fix it. Instead, there just going to give melee a good fight here and there, and the rest will be Range Friendly.
  1. Nobar's Avatar
    We’ve decided for now that the Vashj’ir quest line along with the Throne of the Tides dungeon does a pretty good job of finishing the Neptulon story.
    Setting the stage for the raid against Azshara. You watch.
  1. Wolfie of Medivh's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Noangel View Post
    What happens when we kill? Ragy in firelands I mean I thought we just banish them back to there only plane. Just curious
    and also boo to another allaince hero not getting redeemed
    You call Fandral a Hero?
  1. creepygnome's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobar View Post
    Setting the stage for the raid against Azshara. You watch.
    I hope so. With the Vashj'ir quest line, they would have to put Azshara in a raid somewhere. At least I would hope. At this point I wonder sometimes.
  1. randomone05's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobar View Post
    Setting the stage for the raid against Azshara. You watch.
    how many years are we gonna watch and wait for? ofc, knowing blizz's strategy, when it DOES come out, just wait 6 months so they can nerf it to hell and back and get free epics! we all win! wait....
  1. Wolfie of Medivh's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by asteest View Post
    He will pop out this quote

    "[currentlocation] is merely a setback!"

    I wouldn't like Fandal get a stupid raid death,lollooted by people
    Why not? What should happen to him?

    Sorry, he was a lousy character - something terrible happened to his son in war, so he decides to go completely apeshat and sell out to the nightmare, then to Ragnaros. He was never good. He also was only barely an Alliance character.
  1. shadowkras's Avatar
    We’ve decided for now that the Vashj’ir quest line along with the Throne of the Tides dungeon does a pretty good job of finishing the Neptulon story.
    Big fail blizzard, i was really looking forward to abyssal maw, with or without neptulon.
  1. Wolfie of Medivh's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by creepygnome View Post
    I hope so. With the Vashj'ir quest line, they would have to put Azshara in a raid somewhere. At least I would hope. At this point I wonder sometimes.
    Makes sense to me. T11 we fought air. T12 Fire. T13 maybe Water in an Abyssal Maw raid. then T14 - Earth, as in the Earthwarder himself.
  1. wow's Avatar
    A majority of the fights in T11 favored having little or no Melee DPS. Are there plans to fix this?
    We view this more of a class problem than an encounter problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Opaqus View Post
    This is single-handedly one of the most retardest things I've seen them say.
    Indeed it really made no sense what so ever.

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