MMO-Champion - Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts
Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) already working on Firelands Heroic - Shannox World First Kill
A lot of guilds killed all the bosses of the Firelands raid in normal mode already but it seems that Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) decided to take it one step further.

After clearing the encounters in normal mode, the entire raid changed faction to reset their raid ID and started working on heroic encounters shortly after, that kind of thing happened in the past and it's not really surprising to see it used again to grab first kills.

As I write these lines, Stars killed Shannox in Heroic Mode. It's not really my place to judge if something is against the rules or not and I will just keep tracking heroic first kills as they happen.



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Eternal Embers and Seething Cinders Droprates
You’re assuming the drop chances for embers averages out to .5 per boss in 10’s and 2 per boss in 25’s, which it doesn’t. Whether you’re in 10’s or 25’s you’re going to see an equal drop average for Eternal Embers per player, and the same can be said for Seething Cinders. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

New Content - Differences between PvE and PvP Players
The answer to your question revolves around a common difference in how PvE players and PvP players approach the game. Generally speaking, PvE players want more quests, more dungeons and more raids to experience -- more and new content is king. On the other hand, while some PvP players do want new maps, many others would be happier if we perfected the Arena or BG maps that already exist - or even if we cut existing maps. After all, PvP players don’t graduate out of Arathi Basin or Dalaran sewers the same way PvE players graduate from dungeon to heroic, or raid tier to raid tier. We did make some improvements to the existing PvP maps, such as trying to return Ring of Valor to circulation and changing the way flags work in Eye of the Storm (for rated play).

We’d love to add a lot more maps than we currently do, but we need to do it in such a way that doesn’t make the PvP experience worse for players who are more interested in refining their PvP experience than in seeing new maps. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.2 Hairstyles
We had a bunch of hairstyles we threw in for testing on the PTR and the majority of them did not pass the test. (quality, art direction, bugs, etc.) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.0 Raids now puggable
We specifically intend for the 4.0 raids to be puggable now that Firelands is out. Grabbing some tier 11 by way of Justice, quest rewards, plus across the board difficulty nerfs should really be enough to get them going.

The patch has only been out a day or so though. I think it'll probably take a little bit before people really get it into their heads that they should be pugging the previous tier because it's not too hard to be successful. It's just getting people used to the various encounters and mechanics.

Maybe people are waiting for the holiday weekend? If nothing else, leading one yourself is always an option. I think we'd agree that we need some better ways to get pug raids together considering we intend to follow the "New Raid is Hard, old Tier is Puggable" format from here on.

Still unsure what that means regarding the final raid (i.e. Deathwing). Do pugs not get to see him until the next expansion is released? (Not saying whether that's a good thing or not, but personally I enjoyed getting to Arthas on some of my alts without spending near as much time as I did on my main.)
In ICC we had a stacking raid buff over time which gradually made the content easier. Not saying we’ll do that exact thing again but the philosophy was around even then that everyone who wants to can eventually see the content, but it’s going to take very organized groups (which typically means raiding guilds) to see the encounters first.

So casuals will constantly be a tier behind for the rest of the life of this game? If that is what is actually coming out of your mouth I'll save myself the time and unsub now. What a piss poor vision for your game. There are normal and heroic versions of raids for a reason. That heroic difficulty was implemented so that the two segments of the population (casual and hardcore) would both have something to do. You are now bifurcating the raiding population AGAIN, by telling casuals that they have to run around in the left overs.
Trying to label all of our players as “casual puggers” vs.” hardcore raiders” is ridiculously simplistic. Among raiders there is an enormous diversity of players. There are those who will raid virtually every night when new content is out, to guilds that raid once a week (and even then will cancel raid nights fairly commonly). If you must try to label raiders, you’d be closer to the Blizzard model if you said normal mode is for organized raids, heroic mode is for more hardcore organized raids, and the previous tier of content (and Baradin Hold) is targeted for pick-up groups. Also consider that even within a raid zone we try to design easier bosses (usually near the front) and more challenging ones (usually at the end) which can help blur those lines and offer smoother transitions for each category.

Overall, we think you’ll have a better experience playing World of Warcraft if you play with friends, either existing or those you meet in game. WoW, while much more solo friendly than most older MMO games, is still intended as a multiplayer game. We provide features like Dungeon Finder for when playing with friends isn’t possible, and as we said above, we’d like to offer more features like that. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Tabards Tab
Are there any considerations for a tab for your tabards?
Yes!

[...] To clarify: he asked if we were considering it, and yes we are considering it. :) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Keyring Removal
On a serious point though some people are upset about the removal of the key ring. While that seems like we're just taking it out to be bullies, it specifically frees up storage space we can then make into useful features. Not that it will specifically be used for 'tabard storage', but we are going to be using the space the removal of the key ring freed up. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Thrall and Aggra's "wedding"
Correct. Their pledging of their lives to one another was essentially their 'wedding', although I'm sure Orcs don't use such nomenclature to refer to these things. Maybe 'life bond' fits better. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Does Blizzard plan on adding the rest of the dungeons and raids to the Dungeon Journal?
Absolutely. With the time it takes to present a single boss in the Dungeon Journal we were only confident supplying Cataclysm content with the release of the feature in 4.2, but we are on a path to filling it out with all dungeons and raids in the entire game. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Steam Summer Sales
In a very, very, very unrelated sidenote, Steam Summer Sales are up. I don't usually news non-WoW stuff but ... well, I like Valve and I'm pretty sure a lot of people will be happy to hear the news. Also, don't forget that we have a Video Games Forum!
This article was originally published in forum thread: Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. adamzz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by zechs999 View Post
    consider about fair, why blz dont make it fair on update time of the world.
    if TW server is always behind the world, it means they can hardly get chance to make first kiss.
    no fair on the first kiss between different server like this.
    quote your sentence, come on get it fair, don't cheat the player.
    Engrish much?

    TW was 2 days behind US on 4.2 release and 1 day behind EU which were 1 day behind US.
    That's NOTHING, they just cheated the system to get a week headstart on heroics, that's why they are getting their heads bashed, if they did it on a Tuesday when US gets their heroics started then I'm certain that people wouldn't mind.
  1. Typhron's Avatar
    God, this thread.This probably wouldn't be such a problem if the "World First" tag wasn't attached. Exceptions, rules, in the end there are people at fault on both sides and nobody wants to admit who. And the severity (or importance) is of the exploiting (or lack of bugfixing) is lost because people have their Blizzard/WoW/Guild/region blinders on.

    So glad I stopped playing when everyone kicks up this much of a shitstorm for something simple like this. Only winning move was not to play.
  1. Freezeframe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Alterraia View Post
    Doesn't count, they exploited a feature of the game, i.e. cheated, so this is a waste of a post. Don't track crap. I just killed a worg using Thunderfury, wearing a pink dress, and used the rainbow generator trinket while I /kissed my mojo frog. And I had 4 dwarven women doing a sword dance around me, after using the archy item. All of this at once. I'm pretty sure that's world first. That's just as noteworthy as this kill.
    That was....creative.
  1. Suzakku's Avatar
    Grats to them. If anything Blizz should just lock them out for 2 weeks now. that seems fair. =P
  1. Maruka's Avatar


    ---------- Post added 2011-06-30 at 10:41 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Kisuro View Post
    Any source on that? I'm curious, because I'd actually like for that to be true.


    I fucked up this post editing it, but no i dont have an official source but its true. we will have to wait for official word. Basically i cant say who told me
  1. adamzz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghash View Post
    I'm reading all of these rage comments about how it's sooo unfair that they got the kill this way and I can't help but wonder how many of them were actually in the running for this race anyway. Seriously, if you weren't one of the guilds that finished normals and were ready to head into heroics next week, why the hell do you care?
    I'm in one of the guilds that finished normals on the first day, US got the kills 1 day before us but that's fine. Cheating and getting Heroics one WEEK is not fine, that's like buying the kills, they didn't earn any World First.

    Xdmini - Outland if you don't believe that I killed Ragnaros before you did.
  1. braiel's Avatar
    honestly they deserve a ban blizz changed it ages ago when ensidia and a few other guilds were blamed for server hopping to get realm firsts etc. that your lockouts would save when you server transfer i don't see why star's kill should be treated any differently they changed shit so people couldn't reset lockouts they found a loophole and abused it.
  1. Dillusion's Avatar
    I don't see what all the fuss is about. Yeah it's a drastic move but this is what happens when the content becomes too easy for hardcore gamers and comes too slow. If Blizz doesn't want this to happen then change the FC mechanics. I give props to these guys. I think it's neat to be dedicated to a game so much to actually drop money to be able to keep progressing and enjoying the game. Not something I would do and I do raid but I'm also not so set on being a world first gamer. Take it as a lesson to make the changes necessary so it doesn't happen again if it isn't supposed to work this way. This has be done before. I've known quite a few people who have done this especially for Shadowmourne in Wotlk and in Cata as well. Of course not an entire guild. Having 25+ people FC all the sudden right after a patch.... from the same server and faction.... shouldn't that have caused some attention from Blizz before they entered the raid again?

    Props again guys keep making things interesting
  1. Shon237's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Desperx View Post
    Why would blizz ban them.. they got money out of it... they dont give 2 shits as long as their making money.
    Yeah its shady. Its really, really bending the rules but Blizz just got more money. I think they don't care but will and probably do something because I'm sure most of the wow community will have alot backlash over this.
  1. Chucknourishh's Avatar
    stars will lose to enigma paragon ensidia, etc just bc there so worried about not doing well as fas as worls firsts go that they had to faction change
  1. Azidonis's Avatar
    This has been going on since Faction Change was introduced. It won't stop until Blizzard makes the raid IDs transfer with the Faction Change. At any rate, it's just trashy play. The real Heroic Ladder starts Tuesday, and these guys will have to start again from the beginning, as will everyone else. Best of luck to them in the real race... may Paragon stop a mud-hole in their asses.
  1. ElAmigo's Avatar
    The level stupidity in this thread is ridiculous. It goes against blizzards policy for any paid services to grant any non vanity advantages in the game. And to say that blizzard won't do anything against this because it means "they will be admitting they're wrong" then, once again, you don't know what you're talking about or your totally ignorant on the matter at hand (redundant but you get my point). When players find bugs, exploit them, get banned, and the bug gets fixed by blizzard, that is them admitting they're wrong and they're fixing the problem. This is an oversight by blizzard and it goes against their policy meaning this will end up getting fixed.
  1. zekiel218's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by adamzz View Post
    You are comparing a one-day headstart with a one-week headstart, it's a really retarded comparison and you should be ashamed by even trying to defend STARS.
    one-day vs one-week is not what I was talking about. I talking about time frames that top guilds need to get their world first kill. all of top guilds never start at the same line. What Stars did was just put them a week ahead so they get earlier start just like how US guilds get their server up. Unless they use full week to pratice and get the kill,THEN they actually have one-week headstart. if their kill took less than a day to get then this is not what you call a one-week headstart. They just showed you, they CAN possibly get their world first if they in US servers.

    one-day head start, No, one HOUR head start is already a big handicap for the top guilds, they can do all sorts of amazing things in just that small time frame. This is a good wake up call for people to reconsider how to treat a kill as world first kill. it wasn't globally fair to begin with. This is why Paragon is respected because they still got the world first kill before US guilds.
  1. Steelyorc's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by XeroFour View Post
    We learned of Stars doing this within 20 mins of them faction transferring and an agreement was made on IRC between us, Paragon and some other top guilds that we would not use this tactic and wait for a fair race next week.They won't be listed on wowprogress for these kills so they are out of the race as far as the other top guilds are concerned. The problem comes if they get their kill(s) removed but are still able to compete legitimately next week. They will have a lot more heroic experience than the rest of us and so still be at an advantage. If they are allowed to keep their gear they will have an even bigger advantage.It's funny because of the whole storm Stars kicked up over our atramedes kill, accusing us of using an exploit we didn't even know about (LoSing the modulation) and concluding by telling us to 'fight with honour'. The level they have stooped to here is about as dishonourable as you can get.
    /end thread..seriously...this wraps it for me
  1. Nudi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pagmat View Post
    Boubouille, you are rapidly approaching your 8000th post. I wonder.. does anyone on this forum have more posts than you? And are you going to do anything to celebrate this momentous milestone?
    Pagmat, there are people who have well over 10000 and 11000 posts, so no, I don't think there will be any celebration.
  1. Zdrasti's Avatar
    PVPers need to wait a full week after a big patch for their arena season to start. Why not make raiders wait a few days?

    Implement the big patch and have normal mode turned on with launch, but hard mode disabled. Then once every region finishes with their patch and are all clearly stable, at some fixed time, turn the switch on for hard mode for everyone at the same time. And make it so you don't have to clear normal mode to do hard mode, cause really, every guild can make that call for themselves.

    Just to explain my point more clearly, I'll walk it through with an example. Weekly maint goes as usual and servers come up. Anyone who wants to try normal modes is welcome to go for it when their server comes up. Since TW is the last region and they come up on Thursday, agree that say noon GMT on Friday is the time that heroic mode is turned on for everyone simultaneously. This way the guilds that want to be in the running for heroic modes leave a raid group unsaved and wait patiently for the race to start on Friday and when Blizzard turns on the switch, they all can start the race at exactly the same time.
  1. Mykk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by dragonx View Post
    just proves most people from asia are cheaters and gold sellers in wow, basically asiA Is bad for the wow community.


    you want to bai some wow gold it cos 100 dorror im the guy from chitty wok off south park :P


    Infracted.
    In this comment there's 0 facts..
  1. Comrade1182's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by zekiel218 View Post
    one-day vs one-week is not what I was talking about. I talking about time frames that top guilds need to get their world first kill. all of top guilds never start at the same line. What Stars did was just put them a week so they get eariler start just like how US guilds get their server up. Unless they use full week to pratice and get the kill,THEN they actually have one-week headstart. if their kill took less than a day to get then this is not what you call a one-week headstart. They just showed you, they CAN possibly get their world first if they in US servers.

    one-day head start, No, one HOUR head start is already a big handicap for the top guilds, they can do all sorts of amazing things in just that small time frame. This is a good wake up call for people to reconsider how to treat a kill as world first kill. it wasn't globally fair to begin with. This is why Paragon is respected because they still got the world first kill before US guilds.
    Other guilds can get to the same point in around 1 week from when they killed the boss ergo a week head start. How long it actually took them doesn't mean they actually transferred say 1 hour before US maintenance ends instead of when they actually did. Also had they not been locked out they could have used the entire lockout to progress further. Your logic astounds me.
  1. twilightsamus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by XeroFour View Post
    We learned of Stars doing this within 20 mins of them faction transferring and an agreement was made on IRC between us, Paragon and some other top guilds that we would not use this tactic and wait for a fair race next week.They won't be listed on wowprogress for these kills so they are out of the race as far as the other top guilds are concerned. The problem comes if they get their kill(s) removed but are still able to compete legitimately next week. They will have a lot more heroic experience than the rest of us and so still be at an advantage. If they are allowed to keep their gear they will have an even bigger advantage.It's funny because of the whole storm Stars kicked up over our atramedes kill, accusing us of using an exploit we didn't even know about (LoSing the modulation) and concluding by telling us to 'fight with honour'. The level they have stooped to here is about as dishonourable as you can get.
    I think you're just bitter that they can tell you to "fight with honour" and then turn around and rape you and every other guild in Firelands.
  1. Kisuro's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mykk View Post
    In this comment there's 0 facts..
    Actually, I believe the "Infracted" part is 100% fact

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