Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts

Originally Posted by zekiel218

you are right about others guilds can get to the same point (starting HM) in around 1 week, but they DO NOT START the race at the same TIME. US servers will always get started FIRST, EU second then Taiwan. If a boss took 1 day to practice and get a kill, Taiwan guilds will always 1 day behind US and EU progress regardless of skills. get it?

Now if you call getting head start is cheating then Blizzard been giving advantages to US guilds all along?? but you still call it legitimate kill from a US guild then why Star's kill is not legitimate?

of course, I don't deny that they exploited the rule to get starting HM first, but the kill itself is legitimated. They don't get extra attempts like Grand Trial of the Crusader, they just get head start LIKE US servers always do.

US has always been first but EU has always had the world top 3 guilds, one day doesn't matter but one week does. STARS had the same chance to get Ragnaros HC as everyone else before they fucked around and cheated.

it specifically frees up storage space we can then make into useful features.

Yeah right... And what 'bout 10 slots I have to use now for all those keys left? 10 slots its a lots of space. LOTS OF. So thanks again Blizz for "smart" idea.

Originally Posted by Pagmat

Boubouille, you are rapidly approaching your 8000th post. I wonder.. does anyone on this forum have more posts than you? And are you going to do anything to celebrate this momentous milestone?

Yeah, there are a couple of mods with 9k and I'm presuming there's some over 10k.

The thing is, faction change to reset raid instance isn't even new, it has been done ever since faction change for came out years ago.A few top guilds also did this to get higher ranking in ICC and TOC, but it was never done in the world 1st level.So I don't think they'll be banned, but you can talk about it all you want.

Originally Posted by Paux_Like_Poe

And this is why this argument is moot and pointless. Don't pout because you didn't think of it first, it's very childish.

Except, no, everyone can't. Aren't people reading the thread? Faction transfer doesn't reset lockout on US/EU servers. Everyone COULDN'T do this.

Originally Posted by Vasz

No reason why they can't use the EU servers PTR. If you are willing to pay money for a faction change, then im sure you would be willing to buy an EU/US account.

To be playing on EU PTR, you need to have an EU retail copy account first. You need a a valid payment method, and you cannot expect every chinese people in STARS has international credit card that is accpeted in EU and US. Maybe it sounds funny to you, but it is true.

And the connection lag between China and EU or US is horrible, even you get the chance to test, you cant really do a shit with 10k+ ms latency.

In your logic, if Stars is willing to pay so much, they could have already transferred their whole guild to US server during Wrath already, for getting the patches first and competed world first. But they didnt do it.

It is a chinese guild that play on TW server, simply because China wow was expansion later, and TW server is the most geographically close to China. You have to consider lag when you play MMO

Originally Posted by Mauli

I think they will get a ban, i mean ensidia got banned for using bombs on LK, a pretty normal thing and they said that they didnt know what caused the glitch

wrong... after they found out about the glitch they reported the glitch but they continued doing the boss using the glitch and they downed it.
they didn't stop killing it.

Though some people may disagree, I applaud this strategy. It just shows a higher level of dedication and willingness than the average raider.

The one thing I do find slightly odd, is why not just do it first on Alts? Surely they could have geared 1-2 alts during the long hall of release and 4.1.

Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Tymefor

But, as he says, this IS A HEROIC FIRST KILL and he has reported it as such.

Sure Stars killed some heroic bosses. They did it by cheating so people following the world first race, which starts next week and from which Stars are now disqualified, are not going to care.

Originally Posted by Imahunther

Though some people may disagree, I applaud this strategy. It just shows a higher level of dedication and willingness than the average raider.

The one thing I do find slightly odd, is why not just do it first on Alts? Surely they could have geared 1-2 alts during the long hall of release and 4.1.

Just my opinion.

I'm sorry but this is pathetic. WoW should NOT be about who is willing to pay the most money, ever.

World first is when guild kills boss first in the world without CHEATING (third party software) or ABUSING boss mechanics. People are just being butthurt because their favourite guild didnt get the first kill from first bosses...What Stars did was maybe stupid or at least I wouldnt pay just to get in heroic mode the very same week we cleared normal. Some people do and that's fine since it's up to them what to do with their money and if they are all ready to spend it, why not? After all it's the last boss kill that counts the most anyway.

Haha, nice one Good job STARS, you continue to amaze us with your cleverness.

cant ban stars for using a system that is available to every and all guilds that play this game. Yeah they may have pissed off a few ppl by doing this, but is there an actual written rule stating that they cannot do this?

I say congrats to them.

Guess Blizzard will now change this "problem" with Faction Change.

It was never used this way (world 1st), so looks like Blizzard was really "ah, ppl will never use this way, don't mess with it"... using it for a few more tries in the old ToC heroic system wasn't that much of a problem like it is to kill the same boss twice in the same week. ToC itself was designed to allow doing it in both normal and heroic. Players even used alts while we had the atempt system in ToC and ICC.

But this one... yes, it's there (or was there if Blizzard disabled it to "fix", or even was there only for TW players) for use outside of the game, but inside the game, it's "against the rules", since it is stated that a character can only kill each boss once per week. Except for ToC, it is like that for ages.

And we can bet that Blizzard do not want the heroic modes going down that fast. They alread have a lot of problem with ppl bashing 4.2 content, normal dificult, only a few bosses, etc. they don't need the "super heroic modes" going down in the same week, lol.

Why should _STARS_ get banned for doing this? Blizzard made the mistake to implement raid id reset in the faction change.

I always looked up to STARS for getting patches(and expansions) later than the rest of the world, and still being a top world guild. They were able to kill bosses with half of the gear other guilds had. And I was really amazed by them. They complain when other guilds use exploits, and claim that they would never do that. They play with honor. Due to this latest incident I lost all respect for them. There is no honor to use a paid service to get an advantage. ID resetting was supposed to be fixed. In ToC they were supposed to fix it, but some patch later ID resetting suddenly worked again... unintended. People transferred/faction changed like crazy to get their shadowmournes faster, to ninja loot in pugs. It was supposedly fixed again and your raid ID was transferred. I guess in one of the latest patches it got back to resetting ID.

It means that the Hardmodes are available and it means that the Firelands are just a joke like ToC

Seven easy boss.....and do you really think that Ragnaros HM > Lich King HM. I don't think so.

apparently stars had an agreement with blizzard that they could use this feature to get a look at the first heroic bosses due to the fact that they didn't have the chance to test them on the PTR. for those of you who speak or understand german, "wow.gamona.de" is the source.

/Edit: forgot to mention: they don't get any loot or achievements.. it was just for testing the new bosses. they also stated that on their homepage, which is currently offline due to the huge rush on their website..

Originally Posted by dascylus

It falls under "obtaining a competitive advantage over other players" in the EULA. Or in other words, exploiting, which can oftentimes result in permanent account suspension based on the severity of the exploit taking place. The fact that these actions were premeditated won't help their case with Blizzard's customer support staff. You can say you were testing the encounters as much as you want, but the straight facts is you did something with the full intent on gaining a competitive advantage over other players and maximum punishment should be expected.

Except that what STARS did has nothing to do with this at all. The competition you are talking about is a world-wide competition that takes place with every major raid content patch. Guilds going for world first kills, this is absolutley 100% not-related to the actual game. If anything the only unfair advantage this offered STARS over paragon/vodka/or any of the others is that they thought of it first. It's been known for a long time that if you server transferred your dailies and raid lockouts were pretty much reset. If Blizzard reacts to punish STARS, that would be the messed up thing as it's a game mechanic that Blizzard could have made a fix to for years now. Don't confuse your own competition with other players outside of the game to be something that takes place in the game.

I also highly doubt this action doing anything to the millions of WoW subscribers. As those that are in these competitive guilds represent the smallest minority of the WoW community, so the majority of subscribers most likely won't even know that this happened and continue to pay and play the game.

Heres why I believe this tactic is principally the same as cheating.

The whole raid lockout system is there for a reason. Implied in that system is a rule that says any character can only kill the same boss once each lockout. If this wasnt implied they could simply remove the lockout alltogether (or, knowing Blizzard, add a 5 dollar fee to have it wiped). This also applies to both heroic and normal modes since they share lockout. Now, Im not sure abou the details of the ID reset, and I dont know if you can get infinite resets or simply one for each faction, but the rule still applies. Exploiting this system essentially means as long as you have the money for it you can have AT LEAST twice as many kills each week as people who do not do it, people who follow this obviously implied rule saying you can only kill a boss once each week. Blizzard should definately remove the loot and achievements.

And to the people saying this is simply a sign of a higher level of dedication. Thats just nonsense. The only reason every other top guild on the planet avoided doing this isnt because they're not dedicated enough, but have the insight to realise this is shady and most likely comes with a form of sanction. Rule of thumb: if you have to ask, you probably shouldnt do it.