MMO-Champion - Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts
Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) already working on Firelands Heroic - Shannox World First Kill
A lot of guilds killed all the bosses of the Firelands raid in normal mode already but it seems that Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) decided to take it one step further.

After clearing the encounters in normal mode, the entire raid changed faction to reset their raid ID and started working on heroic encounters shortly after, that kind of thing happened in the past and it's not really surprising to see it used again to grab first kills.

As I write these lines, Stars killed Shannox in Heroic Mode. It's not really my place to judge if something is against the rules or not and I will just keep tracking heroic first kills as they happen.



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Eternal Embers and Seething Cinders Droprates
You’re assuming the drop chances for embers averages out to .5 per boss in 10’s and 2 per boss in 25’s, which it doesn’t. Whether you’re in 10’s or 25’s you’re going to see an equal drop average for Eternal Embers per player, and the same can be said for Seething Cinders. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

New Content - Differences between PvE and PvP Players
The answer to your question revolves around a common difference in how PvE players and PvP players approach the game. Generally speaking, PvE players want more quests, more dungeons and more raids to experience -- more and new content is king. On the other hand, while some PvP players do want new maps, many others would be happier if we perfected the Arena or BG maps that already exist - or even if we cut existing maps. After all, PvP players don’t graduate out of Arathi Basin or Dalaran sewers the same way PvE players graduate from dungeon to heroic, or raid tier to raid tier. We did make some improvements to the existing PvP maps, such as trying to return Ring of Valor to circulation and changing the way flags work in Eye of the Storm (for rated play).

We’d love to add a lot more maps than we currently do, but we need to do it in such a way that doesn’t make the PvP experience worse for players who are more interested in refining their PvP experience than in seeing new maps. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.2 Hairstyles
We had a bunch of hairstyles we threw in for testing on the PTR and the majority of them did not pass the test. (quality, art direction, bugs, etc.) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.0 Raids now puggable
We specifically intend for the 4.0 raids to be puggable now that Firelands is out. Grabbing some tier 11 by way of Justice, quest rewards, plus across the board difficulty nerfs should really be enough to get them going.

The patch has only been out a day or so though. I think it'll probably take a little bit before people really get it into their heads that they should be pugging the previous tier because it's not too hard to be successful. It's just getting people used to the various encounters and mechanics.

Maybe people are waiting for the holiday weekend? If nothing else, leading one yourself is always an option. I think we'd agree that we need some better ways to get pug raids together considering we intend to follow the "New Raid is Hard, old Tier is Puggable" format from here on.

Still unsure what that means regarding the final raid (i.e. Deathwing). Do pugs not get to see him until the next expansion is released? (Not saying whether that's a good thing or not, but personally I enjoyed getting to Arthas on some of my alts without spending near as much time as I did on my main.)
In ICC we had a stacking raid buff over time which gradually made the content easier. Not saying we’ll do that exact thing again but the philosophy was around even then that everyone who wants to can eventually see the content, but it’s going to take very organized groups (which typically means raiding guilds) to see the encounters first.

So casuals will constantly be a tier behind for the rest of the life of this game? If that is what is actually coming out of your mouth I'll save myself the time and unsub now. What a piss poor vision for your game. There are normal and heroic versions of raids for a reason. That heroic difficulty was implemented so that the two segments of the population (casual and hardcore) would both have something to do. You are now bifurcating the raiding population AGAIN, by telling casuals that they have to run around in the left overs.
Trying to label all of our players as “casual puggers” vs.” hardcore raiders” is ridiculously simplistic. Among raiders there is an enormous diversity of players. There are those who will raid virtually every night when new content is out, to guilds that raid once a week (and even then will cancel raid nights fairly commonly). If you must try to label raiders, you’d be closer to the Blizzard model if you said normal mode is for organized raids, heroic mode is for more hardcore organized raids, and the previous tier of content (and Baradin Hold) is targeted for pick-up groups. Also consider that even within a raid zone we try to design easier bosses (usually near the front) and more challenging ones (usually at the end) which can help blur those lines and offer smoother transitions for each category.

Overall, we think you’ll have a better experience playing World of Warcraft if you play with friends, either existing or those you meet in game. WoW, while much more solo friendly than most older MMO games, is still intended as a multiplayer game. We provide features like Dungeon Finder for when playing with friends isn’t possible, and as we said above, we’d like to offer more features like that. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Tabards Tab
Are there any considerations for a tab for your tabards?
Yes!

[...] To clarify: he asked if we were considering it, and yes we are considering it. :) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Keyring Removal
On a serious point though some people are upset about the removal of the key ring. While that seems like we're just taking it out to be bullies, it specifically frees up storage space we can then make into useful features. Not that it will specifically be used for 'tabard storage', but we are going to be using the space the removal of the key ring freed up. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Thrall and Aggra's "wedding"
Correct. Their pledging of their lives to one another was essentially their 'wedding', although I'm sure Orcs don't use such nomenclature to refer to these things. Maybe 'life bond' fits better. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Does Blizzard plan on adding the rest of the dungeons and raids to the Dungeon Journal?
Absolutely. With the time it takes to present a single boss in the Dungeon Journal we were only confident supplying Cataclysm content with the release of the feature in 4.2, but we are on a path to filling it out with all dungeons and raids in the entire game. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Steam Summer Sales
In a very, very, very unrelated sidenote, Steam Summer Sales are up. I don't usually news non-WoW stuff but ... well, I like Valve and I'm pretty sure a lot of people will be happy to hear the news. Also, don't forget that we have a Video Games Forum!
This article was originally published in forum thread: Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 625 Comments
  1. Dwarfdk's Avatar
    I giggle when I see people saying they should get banned or get the kill taken away. If it was unfair they wouldn't of been able to get. Maybe people should play the game smarter like they did and deal with it.
  1. Doctordecay's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Adwarfdk View Post
    I giggle when I see people saying they should get banned or get the kill taken away. If it was unfair they wouldn't of been able to get. Maybe people should play the game smarter like they did and deal with it.
    Doesn't make sense.Ensidia were able to get the engineering bombs and use them on the lich king, they still got banned for it. Not everything that is available is fair.
  1. Dwarfdk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by docterdecay View Post
    Doesn't make sense.Ensidia were able to get the engineering bombs and use them on the lich king, they still got banned for it. Not everything that is available is fair.

    Blizzard should of thought of that before allowing it? :O
  1. Jockenponken's Avatar
    I am amazed at some people here that justify this kind of behaviour. It is a blatant and planned abuse of game mechanics if anything. They faction changed just so they could get the raid ID wiped. they kept their achievment for killing it in the horde and go alliance or vica versa and thats abuse of game mechanics. I remember a time when Blizzard would bam ppl for finding ways to get past the language code and send messages between factions.
  1. Dargaron's Avatar
    It's in the design of the game, did not require any exploit, ergo it is legit. Grats to them on their undoubted first kills which I still won't give a toss about.
  1. RealElfShady's Avatar
    Why would Blizzard do anything about this when the entire guild paid them extra money on what they are already paying? I don't see why Blizzard wouldn't reward this type of behavior, as it nets them more income.
  1. Shanto94's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Adwarfdk View Post
    I giggle when I see people saying they should get banned or get the kill taken away. If it was unfair they wouldn't of been able to get. Maybe people should play the game smarter like they did and deal with it.
    So people now need to pay 25xPrice of faction change to be eligible to compete for world first? god your stupid.
  1. RealElfShady's Avatar
    I can't believe how many people say this doesn't count, that they cheated by exploiting the system. They took the time to clear to unlock heroic, paid for the xfer, and achieved the kill. You could argue the faction change gave them a competitive edge as far as time is concerned, but they still did the heroic kill on their own merits, and should get credit for it.

    ---------- Post added 2011-07-01 at 10:45 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Shanto94 View Post
    So people now need to pay 25xPrice of faction change to be eligible to compete for world first? god your stupid.
    If YOU'RE going to call someone's opinion stupid, perhaps a grammar check would do you good?
  1. Dwarfdk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shanto94 View Post
    So people now need to pay 25xPrice of faction change to be eligible to compete for world first? god your stupid.
    If they want world firsts then why not? I don't think anything was stopping them in the past.
  1. Ncs's Avatar
    Ban the cheaters!
  1. Supraah's Avatar
    Not your money, why problem?
  1. Eldrad's Avatar
    OMG people are whining because some other people paid real money to change factions in a game, and then saying this doesn't count as a 1st kill?

    WOW.

    Yes it's a first kill. Obviously. Please use your brain. They killed it before anyone else, ie "first kill".
    I don't want to get into trouble for flaming, so I'll just say - stop being what you're being, and get a life. There are other things to get worked up about.

    It's up to Blizzard to rule on something like this, but since they didn't have rules in place that discourage or forbid this, I say, what the hell is the problem?
    It's not even a exploit of game mechanics. It's a paid service that Blizzard set up, and set it up to reset your raid ID. Blizzard's fault all the way if they think this is a problem.

    Gratz on your 1st kill of heroic Shannox, Stars.

    Christ, people are annoying with their whining.

    ---------- Post added 2011-07-01 at 02:56 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Jockenponken View Post
    I am amazed at some people here that justify this kind of behaviour. It is a blatant and planned abuse of game mechanics if anything. They faction changed just so they could get the raid ID wiped. they kept their achievment for killing it in the horde and go alliance or vica versa and thats abuse of game mechanics. I remember a time when Blizzard would bam ppl for finding ways to get past the language code and send messages between factions.
    I think you need to look up the definition of game mechanics.

    This is a paid service. And Blizzard is the one who coded it to reset raid IDs.

    Honestly, go read about some world news if you want to get all worked up about something. At least that stuff is real and important.
  1. kdkd's Avatar
    you mad bro? only people should be mad are those top guilds who has the ability to compete world first kills...99% posters in this thread is not in top guilds...It has done many times by top US guild back in WoTLK, quit whining . its not against any rules.. if you dont believe me, before you start crying maybe read the original post by Boubouillie"that kind of thing happened in the past and it's not really surprising to see it used again to grab first kills. "this forum need more tears and trolls.is this right thing to do ? probly not but is it against any rules ? cheat? ...no, definitely not .
  1. themightysven's Avatar
    on one hand, not being allowed to compete on equal footing is not great, but on the otherhand doing something questionable like this isn't going to earn them any favours. My Solution, an addon, or Blizzard UI that starts a stopwatch on the raidID when the first trash mob is killed, the stopwatch continues until the raid is cleared, or the raidID is reset and offers a report of how long (in real time, not in game time) it took to down each boss. That way it wouldn't matter when each region got the patch, because you could just compare the real world times. Go forth and make it happen
  1. Shadowpuppet's Avatar
    oh teh nerdrage... look, faction changing to get to the hardmodes: not really sportsmanlike.
    kill a hardmode boss which most of the people have not killed on normal, on the same day (perhaps one day later? dont care) as you start trying it: skill and an accomplishment.
    facts are: as far as we know they did not exploit any boss mechanics, they downed him fair. as to whether it is a world first, no doubt, did anyone kill him before them? nope. nevertheless, it is not a world forst in that sense, that they won the race against all other raiding guilds. still, this "race" is never really absolutely fair to start with, as US resets before EU etc. and now everyone: get outside and do something purposeful ^^ so many mad bros on here...
  1. kkborang's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Alterraia View Post
    Doesn't count, they exploited a feature of the game, i.e. cheated, so this is a waste of a post. Don't track crap. I just killed a worg using Thunderfury, wearing a pink dress, and used the rainbow generator trinket while I /kissed my mojo frog. And I had 4 dwarven women doing a sword dance around me, after using the archy item. All of this at once. I'm pretty sure that's world first. That's just as noteworthy as this kill.
    i claim world second
  1. nimryas's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by dascylus View Post
    It falls under "obtaining a competitive advantage over other players" in the EULA. Or in other words, exploiting, which can oftentimes result in permanent account suspension based on the severity of the exploit taking place. The fact that these actions were premeditated won't help their case with Blizzard's customer support staff. You can say you were testing the encounters as much as you want, but the straight facts is you did something with the full intent on gaining a competitive advantage over other players and maximum punishment should be expected.
    Tbh, other guilds could've done the same thing so I dont agree that is is an exploit.. Who cares anyway, we dont get free cookies if they get a world first or not :<
  1. slakker's Avatar
    Gotta love these people writing essay posts about people getting a life and finding something real to whine about.
  1. koticgood's Avatar
    To be honest, I can't believe the stupidity in this thread. Top guilds that get inside information, test for countless hours on the ptr, and use whatever exploits they can, they don't bother you, but if a guild does something within the rules but isn't commonplace, it's like they murdered children. How could this possibly be an "exploit." Who the fuck cares? They did not exploit the fight, and they all transferred faction. That's it. If transferring faction resets your raid ID, it obviously isn't their fucking fault. What if they all wanted to change faction? Obviously they did this to get a world first, but it doesn't change the fact that faction change exists. If they did this in 2 weeks, no one would care. How pathetic and hypocritical is that? Just because it got them a "world first" it suddenly becomes a crime that all you fucking nerds rage about? Some of you are so pathetic.
  1. Armath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Alterraia View Post
    Doesn't count, they exploited a feature of the game, i.e. cheated, so this is a waste of a post. Don't track crap. I just killed a worg using Thunderfury, wearing a pink dress, and used the rainbow generator trinket while I /kissed my mojo frog. And I had 4 dwarven women doing a sword dance around me, after using the archy item. All of this at once. I'm pretty sure that's world first. That's just as noteworthy as this kill.
    I love what you did epic

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