MMO-Champion - Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts
Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) already working on Firelands Heroic - Shannox World First Kill
A lot of guilds killed all the bosses of the Firelands raid in normal mode already but it seems that Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) decided to take it one step further.

After clearing the encounters in normal mode, the entire raid changed faction to reset their raid ID and started working on heroic encounters shortly after, that kind of thing happened in the past and it's not really surprising to see it used again to grab first kills.

As I write these lines, Stars killed Shannox in Heroic Mode. It's not really my place to judge if something is against the rules or not and I will just keep tracking heroic first kills as they happen.



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Eternal Embers and Seething Cinders Droprates
You’re assuming the drop chances for embers averages out to .5 per boss in 10’s and 2 per boss in 25’s, which it doesn’t. Whether you’re in 10’s or 25’s you’re going to see an equal drop average for Eternal Embers per player, and the same can be said for Seething Cinders. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

New Content - Differences between PvE and PvP Players
The answer to your question revolves around a common difference in how PvE players and PvP players approach the game. Generally speaking, PvE players want more quests, more dungeons and more raids to experience -- more and new content is king. On the other hand, while some PvP players do want new maps, many others would be happier if we perfected the Arena or BG maps that already exist - or even if we cut existing maps. After all, PvP players don’t graduate out of Arathi Basin or Dalaran sewers the same way PvE players graduate from dungeon to heroic, or raid tier to raid tier. We did make some improvements to the existing PvP maps, such as trying to return Ring of Valor to circulation and changing the way flags work in Eye of the Storm (for rated play).

We’d love to add a lot more maps than we currently do, but we need to do it in such a way that doesn’t make the PvP experience worse for players who are more interested in refining their PvP experience than in seeing new maps. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.2 Hairstyles
We had a bunch of hairstyles we threw in for testing on the PTR and the majority of them did not pass the test. (quality, art direction, bugs, etc.) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.0 Raids now puggable
We specifically intend for the 4.0 raids to be puggable now that Firelands is out. Grabbing some tier 11 by way of Justice, quest rewards, plus across the board difficulty nerfs should really be enough to get them going.

The patch has only been out a day or so though. I think it'll probably take a little bit before people really get it into their heads that they should be pugging the previous tier because it's not too hard to be successful. It's just getting people used to the various encounters and mechanics.

Maybe people are waiting for the holiday weekend? If nothing else, leading one yourself is always an option. I think we'd agree that we need some better ways to get pug raids together considering we intend to follow the "New Raid is Hard, old Tier is Puggable" format from here on.

Still unsure what that means regarding the final raid (i.e. Deathwing). Do pugs not get to see him until the next expansion is released? (Not saying whether that's a good thing or not, but personally I enjoyed getting to Arthas on some of my alts without spending near as much time as I did on my main.)
In ICC we had a stacking raid buff over time which gradually made the content easier. Not saying we’ll do that exact thing again but the philosophy was around even then that everyone who wants to can eventually see the content, but it’s going to take very organized groups (which typically means raiding guilds) to see the encounters first.

So casuals will constantly be a tier behind for the rest of the life of this game? If that is what is actually coming out of your mouth I'll save myself the time and unsub now. What a piss poor vision for your game. There are normal and heroic versions of raids for a reason. That heroic difficulty was implemented so that the two segments of the population (casual and hardcore) would both have something to do. You are now bifurcating the raiding population AGAIN, by telling casuals that they have to run around in the left overs.
Trying to label all of our players as “casual puggers” vs.” hardcore raiders” is ridiculously simplistic. Among raiders there is an enormous diversity of players. There are those who will raid virtually every night when new content is out, to guilds that raid once a week (and even then will cancel raid nights fairly commonly). If you must try to label raiders, you’d be closer to the Blizzard model if you said normal mode is for organized raids, heroic mode is for more hardcore organized raids, and the previous tier of content (and Baradin Hold) is targeted for pick-up groups. Also consider that even within a raid zone we try to design easier bosses (usually near the front) and more challenging ones (usually at the end) which can help blur those lines and offer smoother transitions for each category.

Overall, we think you’ll have a better experience playing World of Warcraft if you play with friends, either existing or those you meet in game. WoW, while much more solo friendly than most older MMO games, is still intended as a multiplayer game. We provide features like Dungeon Finder for when playing with friends isn’t possible, and as we said above, we’d like to offer more features like that. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Tabards Tab
Are there any considerations for a tab for your tabards?
Yes!

[...] To clarify: he asked if we were considering it, and yes we are considering it. :) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Keyring Removal
On a serious point though some people are upset about the removal of the key ring. While that seems like we're just taking it out to be bullies, it specifically frees up storage space we can then make into useful features. Not that it will specifically be used for 'tabard storage', but we are going to be using the space the removal of the key ring freed up. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Thrall and Aggra's "wedding"
Correct. Their pledging of their lives to one another was essentially their 'wedding', although I'm sure Orcs don't use such nomenclature to refer to these things. Maybe 'life bond' fits better. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Does Blizzard plan on adding the rest of the dungeons and raids to the Dungeon Journal?
Absolutely. With the time it takes to present a single boss in the Dungeon Journal we were only confident supplying Cataclysm content with the release of the feature in 4.2, but we are on a path to filling it out with all dungeons and raids in the entire game. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Steam Summer Sales
In a very, very, very unrelated sidenote, Steam Summer Sales are up. I don't usually news non-WoW stuff but ... well, I like Valve and I'm pretty sure a lot of people will be happy to hear the news. Also, don't forget that we have a Video Games Forum!
This article was originally published in forum thread: Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 625 Comments
  1. Lamperouqe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgor View Post
    I did not say there was no response to the removing of players from non released content. I am refering to the response in it was wrong.

    I'm Sorry i guess i fail to find the blue post where Blizzard stated what they did was in fact wrong. Can you provide this link to me then ?
    Do they make a blue post every time someone breaks the rules? Man they must be busy. Throwing them out of the instance and locking them for the week was enough proof that it was not right, and if you use your head a bit you wouldn't even need to think about if it was wrong or not.

    E: It seems I told you to use your head but not think, something for you to ponder about. Wait, that's thinking too.
  1. Thalendil's Avatar
    Wow, talk about hypocrites. Whenever any guild did something that was at the least debatable, Stars were always on the forefront with taking the moral highground. Now when they themselves think of something, they don't hesitate and go right for it. Definition of hypocrisy right there.
  1. Therdin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Thalendil View Post
    Wow, talk about hypocrites. Whenever any guild did something that was at the least debatable, Stars were always on the forefront with taking the moral highground. Now when they themselves think of something, they don't hesitate and go right for it. Definition of hypocrisy right there.
    They should run for public office. Seems right up their alley
  1. Wolfgor's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Slapp View Post
    You need to be spoonfed with a text response in order to understand something wrong was done? How about putting two and two together and coming up with the conclusion that in order for someone to recieve a negative sanction (Getting kicked out of the instance) you must have done something wrong. Exactly what was wrong, Im not going to discuss, but something must have been shady to Blizzard, so they decided kicking them out was a good way to punish them.
    Being told to leave non released content is a negative sanction? I thought that's what a ban was considered
  1. Ularius's Avatar
    This game is too easy, and lame now.
  1. Wolfgor's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lamperouqe View Post
    Do they make a blue post every time someone breaks the rules? Man they must be busy. Throwing them out of the instance and locking them for the week was enough proof that it was not right, and if you use your head a bit you wouldn't even need to think about if it was wrong or not.

    E: It seems I told you to use your head but not think, something for you to ponder about. Wait, that's thinking too.
    There is nothing stating they have yet to break the rules here. would they? probably not but one like this for world first where all you clowns are QQ ing i would assume they would say somthing.

    as far as using your head and or thinking, any tard can say anything about anyone they do not know, please dont hurt my video game feelings here i may not recover from it...
  1. phyrix's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tikaru View Post
    According to whom?
    According to common sense?

    If you measure by this method, you are literally comparing the time it took to kill the boss. The shortest time wins. Makes sense if you ask me.
  1. Lamperouqe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgor View Post
    There is nothing stating they have yet to break the rules here. would they? probably not but one like this for world first where all you clowns are QQ ing i would assume they would say somthing.

    as far as using your head and or thinking, any tard can say anything about anyone they do not know, please dont hurt my video game feelings here i may not recover from it...
    I don't know what to say to you if throwing someone out of the instance and locking them for the rest of the week is not an action stating that they are doing something wrong. Besides, I'm only stating my opinions here since I'm bored. I wouldn't get irritated over something petty like what Stars did especially since I'm not playing the game at the moment, neither would I be in the top race since I finished last tier ranked 44th in the world, which is far from the top. Looking at your post count and join date I've come to the conclusion that you are either a troll or someone with lower than average comprehension abilities.
  1. Wolfgor's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lamperouqe View Post
    I don't know what to say to you if throwing someone out of the instance and locking them for the next of the week is not an action stating that they are doing something wrong. Besides, I'm only stating my opinions here since I'm bored. I wouldn't get irritated over something petty like what Stars did especially since I'm not playing the game at the moment, neither would I be in the top race since I finished last tier ranked 44th in the world, which is far from the top. Looking at your post count and join date I've come to the conclusion that you are either a troll or someone with lower than average comprehension abilities.
    lol I too am just way to bored here at work on this Friday. Sorry for being a prick

    as far as number of posts..everyone starts from begining at some time
  1. Dotcha's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Geekbustarz View Post
    No. You are misinformed. Reseting Raid ID's isn't supposed to happen with faction changes Either. (If you do not trust me, check out blizzards FAQ regarding the faction changes (it will say something about raid ID's NOT reseting. ))
    Regardless of if it is supposed to happen or not, he was suggesting that this was a unique bug which only Stars could have taken advantage of.

    My point was anyone can do it in any Region.
  1. Lamperouqe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dotcha View Post
    Regardless of if it is supposed to happen or not, he was suggesting that this was a unique bug which only Stars could have taken advantage of.

    My point was the fact is anyone can do it in any Region.
    This is what I was told, but apparently I was misinformed and this was happening in the other regions as well. Though it does not change the fact that it was not supposed to happen. It cannot force other guilds to do something which was unintended, use a bug, a loophole or whatever you call it to stand on equal footing with them.
  1. nwgminion's Avatar
    Who cares.
    If they want to spend the time and money to get the "World first kill" by exploiting the way faction changes work, let them.

    Guilds have been using broken game mechanics to get world first kills since the game started.
    Ensidia exploiting the Disgusting Oozeling pet on C'thun or using Engineering bombs on Lick King platforms.
    Stars using pali Divine Sac to trap players between dimensions on Yogg 0 lights.

    Its clever use of game mechanics, not cheating. ( I personally think its brilliant the way they "hacked" the game. )
    If you are upset about this you need a priority check. Its still just a game.
  1. greyghost's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Terashi View Post
    Wowprogress has a rule against faction change abusers (paying real money for ingame advantage is cheating, no matter what anyone says). So while it may be a "first kill" it really doesn't count.
    Agreed. I hope GuildOx also refuses to count this. Using cash to gain an extra week over people is ridiculous.

    And also, about that discussion the blues had concerning the person whining about them not being able to PUG the latest raid as-is....

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...10?page=16#310

    If you want to zone into a raid with 9 people who know the fights so they can carry you to easy loot, then you don't want to raid. Not really. You want to get easy imaginary purple loot, nothing more. If you really wanted to raid then you would embrace the challenge. You might even need to find a stable group of people to raid with, to make sure that you can learn together. I think they have a name for those groups of like-minded people.
    This should preface any sort of discussion of all PvE balance, always. Forever.

    This game is infested with people who do not want to work to overcome a challenge. The community has been diluted with those who simply want to show up and get their digital cookie and get a shiny gold star for bothering to show up.
  1. Xexec's Avatar
    Grats to Stars! imo they shouldn't get banned for that. Any player has the option to fraction change, blizzard made it so your raid ID resets. There for they didn't cheat. They paid money to get a nice head start on there way to the top.
  1. Lamperouqe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xexec View Post
    Grats to Stars! imo they shouldn't get banned for that. Any player has the option to fraction change, blizzard made it so your raid ID resets. There for they didn't cheat. They paid money to get a nice head start on there way to the top.
    Will my raid IDs be reset following a Faction Change?
    Your pre-existing raid locks will not be removed or reset completely, but your character will be assigned appropriate raid IDs for those bosses you have already defeated earlier in the week
    Source
    What this ultimately means is that their raid IDs reseting as a result of faction changing should not have happened and them taking advantage of it was exploiting the system.
  1. Calelith's Avatar
    Well that content last a long time. Give it a week and the strats will be out and people will have the raid on farm mode within the month.
  1. Tisane's Avatar
    Stars had a hard time already with WoW delays in their region. So there's nothing wrong with being smartasses Keep up the awesome raiding Stars, looking forward to another epic raiding video from you.
  1. Trakanonn's Avatar
    This is 100% legal or else Blizz would have changed it LONG ago (this is nothing new).. Congrats Stars.
  1. Warcrafter's Avatar
    isnt it kinda sad to spend money on that? and also it does not show any skill by downing bosses before other better guilds get a chance to try the content, imo the downs should be excluded from what people consider "World First Downs", mainly because it does not show more skill than any other guild and tbh it shows desperation to be the very best
  1. Emerzion's Avatar
    • Dungeons & Raids
    • Firelands
    • Firelands Heroic difficulty has been turned off in all regions until the following week's realm maintenance.

    Decent temp. fix by blizzard.

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