MMO-Champion - Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts
Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) already working on Firelands Heroic - Shannox World First Kill
A lot of guilds killed all the bosses of the Firelands raid in normal mode already but it seems that Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) decided to take it one step further.

After clearing the encounters in normal mode, the entire raid changed faction to reset their raid ID and started working on heroic encounters shortly after, that kind of thing happened in the past and it's not really surprising to see it used again to grab first kills.

As I write these lines, Stars killed Shannox in Heroic Mode. It's not really my place to judge if something is against the rules or not and I will just keep tracking heroic first kills as they happen.



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Eternal Embers and Seething Cinders Droprates
You’re assuming the drop chances for embers averages out to .5 per boss in 10’s and 2 per boss in 25’s, which it doesn’t. Whether you’re in 10’s or 25’s you’re going to see an equal drop average for Eternal Embers per player, and the same can be said for Seething Cinders. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

New Content - Differences between PvE and PvP Players
The answer to your question revolves around a common difference in how PvE players and PvP players approach the game. Generally speaking, PvE players want more quests, more dungeons and more raids to experience -- more and new content is king. On the other hand, while some PvP players do want new maps, many others would be happier if we perfected the Arena or BG maps that already exist - or even if we cut existing maps. After all, PvP players don’t graduate out of Arathi Basin or Dalaran sewers the same way PvE players graduate from dungeon to heroic, or raid tier to raid tier. We did make some improvements to the existing PvP maps, such as trying to return Ring of Valor to circulation and changing the way flags work in Eye of the Storm (for rated play).

We’d love to add a lot more maps than we currently do, but we need to do it in such a way that doesn’t make the PvP experience worse for players who are more interested in refining their PvP experience than in seeing new maps. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.2 Hairstyles
We had a bunch of hairstyles we threw in for testing on the PTR and the majority of them did not pass the test. (quality, art direction, bugs, etc.) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.0 Raids now puggable
We specifically intend for the 4.0 raids to be puggable now that Firelands is out. Grabbing some tier 11 by way of Justice, quest rewards, plus across the board difficulty nerfs should really be enough to get them going.

The patch has only been out a day or so though. I think it'll probably take a little bit before people really get it into their heads that they should be pugging the previous tier because it's not too hard to be successful. It's just getting people used to the various encounters and mechanics.

Maybe people are waiting for the holiday weekend? If nothing else, leading one yourself is always an option. I think we'd agree that we need some better ways to get pug raids together considering we intend to follow the "New Raid is Hard, old Tier is Puggable" format from here on.

Still unsure what that means regarding the final raid (i.e. Deathwing). Do pugs not get to see him until the next expansion is released? (Not saying whether that's a good thing or not, but personally I enjoyed getting to Arthas on some of my alts without spending near as much time as I did on my main.)
In ICC we had a stacking raid buff over time which gradually made the content easier. Not saying we’ll do that exact thing again but the philosophy was around even then that everyone who wants to can eventually see the content, but it’s going to take very organized groups (which typically means raiding guilds) to see the encounters first.

So casuals will constantly be a tier behind for the rest of the life of this game? If that is what is actually coming out of your mouth I'll save myself the time and unsub now. What a piss poor vision for your game. There are normal and heroic versions of raids for a reason. That heroic difficulty was implemented so that the two segments of the population (casual and hardcore) would both have something to do. You are now bifurcating the raiding population AGAIN, by telling casuals that they have to run around in the left overs.
Trying to label all of our players as “casual puggers” vs.” hardcore raiders” is ridiculously simplistic. Among raiders there is an enormous diversity of players. There are those who will raid virtually every night when new content is out, to guilds that raid once a week (and even then will cancel raid nights fairly commonly). If you must try to label raiders, you’d be closer to the Blizzard model if you said normal mode is for organized raids, heroic mode is for more hardcore organized raids, and the previous tier of content (and Baradin Hold) is targeted for pick-up groups. Also consider that even within a raid zone we try to design easier bosses (usually near the front) and more challenging ones (usually at the end) which can help blur those lines and offer smoother transitions for each category.

Overall, we think you’ll have a better experience playing World of Warcraft if you play with friends, either existing or those you meet in game. WoW, while much more solo friendly than most older MMO games, is still intended as a multiplayer game. We provide features like Dungeon Finder for when playing with friends isn’t possible, and as we said above, we’d like to offer more features like that. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Tabards Tab
Are there any considerations for a tab for your tabards?
Yes!

[...] To clarify: he asked if we were considering it, and yes we are considering it. :) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Keyring Removal
On a serious point though some people are upset about the removal of the key ring. While that seems like we're just taking it out to be bullies, it specifically frees up storage space we can then make into useful features. Not that it will specifically be used for 'tabard storage', but we are going to be using the space the removal of the key ring freed up. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Thrall and Aggra's "wedding"
Correct. Their pledging of their lives to one another was essentially their 'wedding', although I'm sure Orcs don't use such nomenclature to refer to these things. Maybe 'life bond' fits better. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Does Blizzard plan on adding the rest of the dungeons and raids to the Dungeon Journal?
Absolutely. With the time it takes to present a single boss in the Dungeon Journal we were only confident supplying Cataclysm content with the release of the feature in 4.2, but we are on a path to filling it out with all dungeons and raids in the entire game. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Steam Summer Sales
In a very, very, very unrelated sidenote, Steam Summer Sales are up. I don't usually news non-WoW stuff but ... well, I like Valve and I'm pretty sure a lot of people will be happy to hear the news. Also, don't forget that we have a Video Games Forum!
This article was originally published in forum thread: Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. Tymefor's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by FattyXP View Post
    They probably CAN'T for the fact that if characters on either side shared the same raid ID, they would both be zoning into the same raid if some players don't transfer.
    OMG please let them fix this "bug" then. I will be faction changing every week to grief people inside an instance. it will be golden
  1. Merendel's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Trakanonn View Post
    This is 100% legal or else Blizz would have changed it LONG ago (this is nothing new).. Congrats Stars.
    Hence why the GM's locked them out of the dungeon as soon as this was noticed and have since hotfixed it so heroic can not be activated till next week. Just because the leter of the law does not state "Thou shalt not faction change to get a new raid lockout" does not make it legal.
  1. Venteus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Merendel View Post
    Hence why the GM's locked them out of the dungeon as soon as this was noticed and have since hotfixed it so heroic can not be activated till next week. Just because the leter of the law does not state "Thou shalt not faction change to get a new raid lockout" does not make it legal.
    The point is their world first kill stands. If it was done in the past and blizzard took no action then they did no wrong in taking advantage where other guilds could have done the very same. Congrats to them.
  1. Spellweaver's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by nwgminion View Post
    Stars using pali Divine Sac to trap players between dimensions on Yogg 0 lights.
    That was Exodus, not Stars. They simply kept a paladin in Yogg's brain room to evade the immortal guardians in P3. Exodus also got a temporary ban for this.
  1. Merendel's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Venteus View Post
    The point is their world first kill stands. If it was done in the past and blizzard took no action then they did no wrong in taking advantage where other guilds could have done the very same. Congrats to them.
    :looks at post:
    :Looks at hotfix list:
    Hmm seems like they took action to me. Seems like when they changed to the single lockout system in cata someone forgot to check item 4325 on the list, "make sure faction change does not allow a new raid ID" The specifically fixed this for server transfers and it states it right in the FAQ
    Will my raid IDs be reset following a Character Transfer?
    Transferred characters will be allocated a random Raid ID when arriving at their new realm or account. If you transfer a character, it will not be possible to continue with any instance progress you may have made on your original realm or account. Once your Raid ID for the instance has reset, you will be able to join groups with players on your new realm and start adventuring again.
    The fact that it worked and bliz immediately corrected the issue with a hotfix indicates that this was not intended behavior of the service. Therfore this kill falls under section C of the terms of use agreement. Weather blizzard decides to take further action agianst stars is at their discretion.

    (i) Using or exploiting errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players;
  1. LaughingMan's Avatar
    Not sure why people argue if something is bannable or not. It is completely up to Blizzard. Here's an excerpt from the EULA:
    BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ANY BNET ACCOUNT OR WORLD OF WARCRAFT ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU.
    I do hope they receive some kind of punishment. This is clearly cheating the system.
  1. Spellweaver's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tisane View Post
    Stars had a hard time already with WoW delays in their region. So there's nothing wrong with being smartasses Keep up the awesome raiding Stars, looking forward to another epic raiding video from you.
    This hasn't been the case since 3.2, as stated by a posted on the Paragon forums.

    Edit: Apparently the Asian realms have patched 2 days after US for since ToC, Beasts kills were done in the same reset by Premonition and The Zenith Clan.
    Source: http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/kr/tir ... g.tier9_25
    http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/us/sen ... g.tier9_25
    Source:http://www.paragon.fi/forum/viewtopi...tart=10#p12279
  1. runeb1980@hotmail.com's Avatar
    Who. Gives. A. Crap. No, seriously. Do you play a computer game to have fun, or do you play it to impress other people? STARS and all those other "top guilds" are sad, sad, people, who spend entirely too much time and energy obsessing over being the first at something. This isn't curing cancer or creating stabile cold fusion - It's a freaking GAME. Stop giving these EPEEN-assholes attention!
  1. furydeath's Avatar
    Maybe if blizzard didn't use us to TEST stuff we might have raid content that last more then 5 hours.
  1. Plaguies's Avatar
    Yeah but this should have been fixed a while ago. They did the fight properly so GRATS to Stars on THEIR World First Kill.
  1. Heywes's Avatar
    Grats Stars! I always liked you guys.
  1. Jeleh's Avatar
    • Firelands Heroic difficulty has been turned off in all regions until the following week's realm maintenance.
    Says it all, the kill is illegitimate.
  1. huldu's Avatar
    Blizzard is so full of shit these days. Most pathetic part of it all is that the competition is so piss poor on the mmo market. WoW needs to be put down... such horrible decline over the years - in both content and player quality. Why do they even bother posting the "questions" when they barely ever answer them with a straight answer. Clearly the B-team interns.
  1. papaz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lostprophet View Post
    If a door is open, that doesnt mean u can go in and steal everything... this is exactly the same thing here... screw you stars ,,|,,
    rofl. are you sad they killed the boogy man before your other nerd heroes could?
  1. nuttan's Avatar
    Stars #1 ; )))
  1. Fleuria's Avatar
    Rofl from the looks of armory they had all there kills removed on normal and most of the gear taken away and from the looks of it they now have to do normal next week xD massively fucking awkward and owned
  1. Barkend's Avatar
    When Athene exploited a bug to be the world first level 80, and got banned, most of you defended him.When Ensidia exloited another bug to get the world first Lich King kill, and also got banned, you also stood at their side.So, what is the problem with Stars? Just because it's an asian guild? Of course they deserved the ban, but they also have their merits.
  1. Aerion's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleuria View Post
    Rofl from the looks of armory they had all there kills removed on normal and most of the gear taken away and from the looks of it they now have to do normal next week xD massively fucking awkward and owned

    To be totally honest I think that's too much. They should be at the same line with other guilds next week.

    I'm not a big believer in banning people for this sort of nonsense especially when the banning is used as a warning to other "idiots" that might do the same. Just fix it, roll them back and let people play the damn game.

    Sure, what Stars-TW did was illegal as far as Blizzard is concerned (and doh... when wouldn't they be) and they should be put back in line with others, but making an example out of them doesn't help anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papaz View Post
    rofl. are you sad they killed the boogy man before your other nerd heroes could?
    Hope you got some satisfaction out of this...

    ---------- Post added 2011-07-03 at 09:44 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by furydeath View Post
    Maybe if blizzard didn't use us to TEST stuff we might have raid content that last more then 5 hours.
    Sightly exaggerated, but a very valid point considering the rumor I heard about Stars-TW being able to kill 3 out of 7 bosses on Heroic before they were "kindly" asked to leave the instance.
  1. Argroth's Avatar
    Wow, now I know the pathetic lengths people will go to for such a meaningless achievement.
  1. Durarn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgor View Post
    There is no "obtaining a competitive advantage over other players" as all players have access to use the same account mechanics as they used. They just choose to use it!

    Not their bad if Blizz reset the lockout.

    Even if Blizz takes away the world first, They still did it, Just because Blizz may not endorse it does not mean it didn’t happen.
    No they don't, this raid-id reset could only be performed on TW realms. And if it wasn't wrong, why did they remove it?

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