MMO-Champion - Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts
Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) already working on Firelands Heroic - Shannox World First Kill
A lot of guilds killed all the bosses of the Firelands raid in normal mode already but it seems that Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) decided to take it one step further.

After clearing the encounters in normal mode, the entire raid changed faction to reset their raid ID and started working on heroic encounters shortly after, that kind of thing happened in the past and it's not really surprising to see it used again to grab first kills.

As I write these lines, Stars killed Shannox in Heroic Mode. It's not really my place to judge if something is against the rules or not and I will just keep tracking heroic first kills as they happen.



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Eternal Embers and Seething Cinders Droprates
You’re assuming the drop chances for embers averages out to .5 per boss in 10’s and 2 per boss in 25’s, which it doesn’t. Whether you’re in 10’s or 25’s you’re going to see an equal drop average for Eternal Embers per player, and the same can be said for Seething Cinders. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

New Content - Differences between PvE and PvP Players
The answer to your question revolves around a common difference in how PvE players and PvP players approach the game. Generally speaking, PvE players want more quests, more dungeons and more raids to experience -- more and new content is king. On the other hand, while some PvP players do want new maps, many others would be happier if we perfected the Arena or BG maps that already exist - or even if we cut existing maps. After all, PvP players don’t graduate out of Arathi Basin or Dalaran sewers the same way PvE players graduate from dungeon to heroic, or raid tier to raid tier. We did make some improvements to the existing PvP maps, such as trying to return Ring of Valor to circulation and changing the way flags work in Eye of the Storm (for rated play).

We’d love to add a lot more maps than we currently do, but we need to do it in such a way that doesn’t make the PvP experience worse for players who are more interested in refining their PvP experience than in seeing new maps. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.2 Hairstyles
We had a bunch of hairstyles we threw in for testing on the PTR and the majority of them did not pass the test. (quality, art direction, bugs, etc.) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.0 Raids now puggable
We specifically intend for the 4.0 raids to be puggable now that Firelands is out. Grabbing some tier 11 by way of Justice, quest rewards, plus across the board difficulty nerfs should really be enough to get them going.

The patch has only been out a day or so though. I think it'll probably take a little bit before people really get it into their heads that they should be pugging the previous tier because it's not too hard to be successful. It's just getting people used to the various encounters and mechanics.

Maybe people are waiting for the holiday weekend? If nothing else, leading one yourself is always an option. I think we'd agree that we need some better ways to get pug raids together considering we intend to follow the "New Raid is Hard, old Tier is Puggable" format from here on.

Still unsure what that means regarding the final raid (i.e. Deathwing). Do pugs not get to see him until the next expansion is released? (Not saying whether that's a good thing or not, but personally I enjoyed getting to Arthas on some of my alts without spending near as much time as I did on my main.)
In ICC we had a stacking raid buff over time which gradually made the content easier. Not saying we’ll do that exact thing again but the philosophy was around even then that everyone who wants to can eventually see the content, but it’s going to take very organized groups (which typically means raiding guilds) to see the encounters first.

So casuals will constantly be a tier behind for the rest of the life of this game? If that is what is actually coming out of your mouth I'll save myself the time and unsub now. What a piss poor vision for your game. There are normal and heroic versions of raids for a reason. That heroic difficulty was implemented so that the two segments of the population (casual and hardcore) would both have something to do. You are now bifurcating the raiding population AGAIN, by telling casuals that they have to run around in the left overs.
Trying to label all of our players as “casual puggers” vs.” hardcore raiders” is ridiculously simplistic. Among raiders there is an enormous diversity of players. There are those who will raid virtually every night when new content is out, to guilds that raid once a week (and even then will cancel raid nights fairly commonly). If you must try to label raiders, you’d be closer to the Blizzard model if you said normal mode is for organized raids, heroic mode is for more hardcore organized raids, and the previous tier of content (and Baradin Hold) is targeted for pick-up groups. Also consider that even within a raid zone we try to design easier bosses (usually near the front) and more challenging ones (usually at the end) which can help blur those lines and offer smoother transitions for each category.

Overall, we think you’ll have a better experience playing World of Warcraft if you play with friends, either existing or those you meet in game. WoW, while much more solo friendly than most older MMO games, is still intended as a multiplayer game. We provide features like Dungeon Finder for when playing with friends isn’t possible, and as we said above, we’d like to offer more features like that. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Tabards Tab
Are there any considerations for a tab for your tabards?
Yes!

[...] To clarify: he asked if we were considering it, and yes we are considering it. :) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Keyring Removal
On a serious point though some people are upset about the removal of the key ring. While that seems like we're just taking it out to be bullies, it specifically frees up storage space we can then make into useful features. Not that it will specifically be used for 'tabard storage', but we are going to be using the space the removal of the key ring freed up. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Thrall and Aggra's "wedding"
Correct. Their pledging of their lives to one another was essentially their 'wedding', although I'm sure Orcs don't use such nomenclature to refer to these things. Maybe 'life bond' fits better. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Does Blizzard plan on adding the rest of the dungeons and raids to the Dungeon Journal?
Absolutely. With the time it takes to present a single boss in the Dungeon Journal we were only confident supplying Cataclysm content with the release of the feature in 4.2, but we are on a path to filling it out with all dungeons and raids in the entire game. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Steam Summer Sales
In a very, very, very unrelated sidenote, Steam Summer Sales are up. I don't usually news non-WoW stuff but ... well, I like Valve and I'm pretty sure a lot of people will be happy to hear the news. Also, don't forget that we have a Video Games Forum!
This article was originally published in forum thread: Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 625 Comments
  1. Psychos's Avatar
    It's kinda sad they do this after they made a scene out of Paragon stacking druids for Nef.
  1. -Ethos-'s Avatar
    All this drama and its only the first boss.

    Oh i hope this pace keeps up for Rag, will make such good reading.
  1. Otaka's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Venteus View Post
    Counts. Glad they took one from that other lame ass EU guild. Hope Method start pulling some world firsts soon.
    lame ass haha...

    Finnish people taking out the realm first-rug from under yer feet? hooray for FINLAND!
  1. Swiftstryder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenzor View Post
    I can see Blizz taking this away from them but I don't agree with it, just because of their own way of thinking that they've stated in the past. When talking about multi-boxers they claim it to be fair because that option is available to everyone if they choose to go for it. Same thing here. Server changing is available to every single one of us. It may have an unintended effect but its one that has been known for a while and one that, in my eyes, was available to anybody that wanted to pursue it.

    Props for having the balls to do it.
    This x1,000,000
  1. Klumb's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Raht View Post
    1st.

    And inc. ban for Stars.
    why should they get banned? its a legal way. there is no rule that say something other.
  1. twilightsamus's Avatar
    The strawmanning/hyperbole this topic has generated from people nowhere near the level of STARS is to be expected, I guess.
  1. I change my name a lot's Avatar
    They aren't going to get banned but before in the days of Woltk

    High end guilds such as Ensidia and such xfer to other realms for the sake of realm first
    Blizzard did not like that so therefor whenever you ''xfer'' you lose your eligibility to get realm first for 3 months in addition you keep your ID's from the last reset

    So technically it's going to work just like this, ID lock wise - Whenever you faction change

    Your ID still remains
  1. ripslyme's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Swiftstryder View Post
    This wouldn't do so well due to the fact that the US servers will be up well before EU so they'd get a huge headstart.

    Good on stars i say, Fucking transfer the whole guild haha thats awesome
    US maintenance Tuesday
    EU maintenance Wednesday
    Asian maintenance Thursday/Friday ??

    US always have a headstart except for a few Times in all those Years
  1. adamzz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Klumb View Post
    why should they get banned? its a legal way. there is no rule that say something other.
    There is indeed a rule that is against this sort of thing. It is under C. Rules Related to Game Play..

    (i) Using or exploiting errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players;
    If you faction change in the US or the EU your raid ID won't get reset, which means that this is an error in design and/or "program bug".
    They didn't earn this kill as they used an exploit to get it.
  1. Chiasmus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Boubouille View Post
    Just because they got it "early" doesn't mean they exploited the kill itself, that's the problem. Again, not my place, I just report.
    No, but they exploited a paid service to get access before other guilds. It's hardly a fair playing field and certainly shouldn't be news worthy, let alone promoted as a "world first" kill.
  1. Physi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenzor View Post
    I can see Blizz taking this away from them but I don't agree with it, just because of their own way of thinking that they've stated in the past. When talking about multi-boxers they claim it to be fair because that option is available to everyone if they choose to go for it. Same thing here. Server changing is available to every single one of us. It may have an unintended effect but its one that has been known for a while and one that, in my eyes, was available to anybody that wanted to pursue it.

    Props for having the balls to do it.
    That's the thing though. On US and EU servers, faction changes don't reset the raid ID so it isn't available to everyone for the purpose that STARS used it for. This is an oversight on the Asian servers.

    Do I agree with what they did? NO.

    Do I think Blizzard will do something about it? NO, because it would mean Blizz would have to admit to making a mistake.
  1. Pancho's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by adamzz View Post
    There is indeed a rule that is against this sort of thing. It is under C. Rules Related to Game Play..


    If you faction change in the US or the EU your raid ID won't get reset, which means that this is an error in design and/or "program bug".
    They didn't earn this kill as they used an exploit to get it.
    I pretty sure that this behavior was document since the introduced the WotLK new raid lockout system (dont quote me on that, dont have blues and I not looking for them :P)

    EDIT:
    and the guy bellow this post says that happened to him :P
  1. svettleif's Avatar
    If you faction change in the US or the EU your raid ID won't get reset
    Bullshit, theres ways to do it here aswell, i used to play horde and when i transfered my 9 alts over to alliance over a years period i always did VoA or BH first so i could do it twise that week, so please dont come and say its not possible here.
  1. Lefuu's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Cactrot View Post
    PSN getting hacked, unworthy of frontpage news. Steam sales up, worthy of front page. oooooooooooooooooooooooookay
    PC master race, problem console "gamers"? Bon voyage..
  1. Spidarz's Avatar
    Who cares if they did what they did, any other guild could have done it. But they didn't. Let them do what they want to do, they aren't hurting anyone doing this. Stop crying little kids
  1. TheConsumer's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Physi View Post
    That's the thing though. On US and EU servers, faction changes don't reset the raid ID so it isn't available to everyone for the purpose that STARS used it for. This is an oversight on the Asian servers.

    Do I agree with what they did? NO.

    Do I think Blizzard will do something about it? NO, because it would mean Blizz would have to admit to making a mistake.
    That's not true.
    My friend faction changed every week during ICC to get Shadowmourne faster.
  1. dekll's Avatar
    Dont forget that taiwanese server is 2 days delay update.

    U can just think they are 5 days early update than us server.

    5 days is long? in 3.2 ULD, taiwanese server are 9 days later than US, but they still get yogg 0 keeper first.

    on the other side, stars spent 2 hours on this boss, so ,do u thing there is any possibility for stars to get the FD if they dont do this.

    Besides, the Hardmode of FL now is banned, after the server restart.
  1. bas's Avatar
    gratz stars
  1. Paulosio's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Yemiena View Post
    that cant be against the rules, blizzard designed it like that, its no glitch
    Because blizz never make mistakes ? Clearly this is an oversight on Blizzards part and it's too much hassle to fix as yet.
  1. Yanzina's Avatar
    Kill is a kill. No matter how you do it. Kill is a kill

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