Computers - Setup of the Month (by chaud)
Each month or every 2 months, depending on the hardware evolutions, the lovely chaud will work on a couple of hardware setups for those of you who are thinking of upgrading their computer!

This month
New SSDs are here and are finally priced reasonably. If you are thinking about purchasing a SSD, avoid the Intel 320 series as there is a fairly serious flaw. Now is a good time to buy, as the next generation is a good while away and the current prices are reasonable. New AMD CPUs will be here in September or October at the earliest, only unconfirmed benchmarks have been seen so far. The AMD Llano CPUs that came out recently are nothing impressive for gaming and the socket will not allow an upgrade to Bulldozer.

Make sure to keep your AMD and Nvidia drivers up to date. If you experience problems after updating, roll back to the recommended Nvidia Drivers.

Don't hesitate to post any feedback in the comments of that news post, and don't forget to visit the Computer Forum for any extra questions!

Peripherals/Monitors

ComponentPuppy Dolphin
MonitorASUS VW224U 22-Inch Widescreen - $150ASUS VW246H 24-Inch Widescreen - $200
KeyboardMicrosoft Digital Media Keyboard 3000 - $25Cyborg V.5 - $42
MouseLogitech MX518 - $30Logitech G500 - $54
SpeakersLogitech S220 2.1 Speaker System - $23Logitech Z313 Speaker System - $40
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
MonitorASUS VE276Q 27-Inch - $283Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch (IPS Panel) - $510
KeyboardLogitech G110 - $60Razer BlackWidow (Backlit)- $75 ($112)
MouseRazer Deathadder - $48Razer Naga (Buttons on the Side) - $69
SpeakersCreative Inspire T3130 2.1 Speaker System - $50Logitech Speaker System Z523 - $83



Puppy and Dolphin

ComponentPuppy Dolphin
CaseNZXT GAMMA Classic - $36NZXT GAMMA Classic - $36
Power SupplyCorsair Builder Series CX V2 500 - $40Corsair 650TX V2 - $75
CPUAMD Athlon II X4 640 AM3 - $100AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition - $112
HeatsinkCooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $35Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $35
MotherboardASUS M4A88TD-V EVO AM3 - AMD 880G - $105Asus AM3+ 880G M5A88-V EVO - $130
Memory4GB PNY Optima DDR3 10600 - $334GB G.Skill Ripjaws F3 4GB 12800 DDR3 - $56
Graphics CardXFX 6770 - $137XFX 6850 or EVGA GTX 460 - $163/ $180
Hard DriveSAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB - $61SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB - $61
DVDLite-On 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $24Lite-On 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $24
Total$571$692 / $709


Narwhal and Unicorn
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Narwhal and Unicorn. SSDs are always optional.
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
CaseCooler Master HAF 912 - $60Cooler Master HAF932 - $153
Power SupplyCorsair 650TX V2 - $75Corsair 750HX (7 Year Warranty) - $135
CPUIntel i5-2500k - $220Intel i7-2600k - $315
HeatsinkThermaltake Frio - $58Noctua 6 NH-D14 - $80
MotherboardASUS P8P67-M PRO - $147ASUS Z68 P8Z68-V PRO - $210
Memory4GB G.Skill Ripjaws F3 4GB 12800 DDR3 - $568GB G.Skill DDR3 12800 - $85
Graphics CardXFX 6950 1GB OR EVGA GTX 560 Ti- $245 / $225XFX 6970 OR EVGA GTX 570 - $320 / $330
Hard DriveWestern Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $90Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $90
SSDCrucial 128 GB m4 (Review) - $250
OR
OCZ 120 GB Agility 3 (Review) - $210
Intel 510 Series 120 GB (Review) - $285
OR
OCZ 120 GB Vertex 3 (Review) - $270
DVDLite-On 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $24Lite-On 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $24
Total$955 - $1225$1682 - $1707



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Difficulty to get Valor Points
Valor Points aren't awarded in a vacuum though, nor are ZA and ZG necessarily the 'best and only' route. Overall, running a raid, even the previous tier's raid, is going to be more rewarding for most players overall than just hitting up ZA/ZG. You can acquire gear of a high ilevel that provides set bonuses to help prepare for the next tier of content, as well as get a chance at potentially lucrative (or useful) BoEs; opportunities you won't find in the troll dungeons.

That's not to say that there aren't advantages to hitting up ZA/ZG to cap your VP if that's all you're after; but to believe that it's necessarily the most rewarding path if that isn't your sole goal, is, I think, a mistake. They still offer viable alternative for those players who have already spent a good deal of time in the tier 11 raid content too.

On a related note, we're looking at ways to make raiding accessible and easier to get organized, without at the same time compromising the experience for those who are looking for a challenge. We adjusted tier 11 specifically so that players who haven't seen the content yet will have a chance to get in there and mix it up. In fact, we think that things work best overall when we have heroic raids, normal raids, and then previous tiers all available at the same time - which was an arrangement we didn't quite have in place when Cataclysm launched (unless you count Argaloth, but we don't think a single boss counts as a tier). (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

People skipping queues by grouping with a tank through RealID
Not sure if this is the place to post or not, but you can use the old skipping queue method as a dps by queuing with a tank and the tank leaving instantly. It doesn't remove the dps person like it does on normal queuing. Something to look in to!

Thanks for bringing this issue to our attention. It’s not a bug, though, and Real ID Party doesn’t change the way this system is intended to function.

We certainly don’t want players skipping queues and getting an unfair advantage over players that are waiting patiently. Ultimately, the Dungeon Finder rule system is much more “intelligent” than you might think: players who abuse the system may find that they are removed when their tank compatriot leaves, regardless of how long they were already in the dungeon. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Incentives to players to participate in world PvP
The problem with these "incentives" is that they could potentially cause additional problems or not feel "good" to those that get caught in it when they don't want to be involved. Also keep in mind that though we have PvP and PvE realms, it's all the same game, so if we introduce something, it would go on all realms.

As you've seen we did some outdoor PvP incentives in Burning Crusade (after it was introduced in Silithus and Eastern Plaguelands), but the difficulty then is keeping people involved and interested in going back to it.

We're always open to constructive feedback on these things, but introducing specific things into the world to inject PvP isn't a simple undertaking and has some potential pitfalls. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Why is Ghostcrawler no longer on the forums?
Where did he go? I am not aware of what exactly happened. Did he get a lot of trolls attacking him than decide to lay low after that?
No, it didn't really have anything to do with that. We (community managers) had several discussions with Ghostcrawler and the other lead developers about how we'd be approaching communication on the new community site when it launched. Ultimately, we all agreed it'd be better for the company and the community to have the community managers be the primary source of forum communication. He still reads the forums every day for feedback. Likewise, we stay in touch with him every day, often relaying information he provides us to you all. So his thoughts on any given subject are still very often shared on the forums. The only difference is we, as community managers, take the time to relay his thoughts to you so he can focus more on considering the feedback we collect and provide from the forums, affording him more time to focus on development.

That said, he's always looking for new subjects to tackle for our blogs, so you still get a direct link to his (and the rest of the development team's) thought process. As we've stated before, we also plan on completely revamping the concept of Ask the Devs. The goal is to make sure the new Ask the Devs format allows for more interaction between devs and players, and has a quicker turnaround time on answers provided.

He may not be in the trenches interacting with players on the forums daily anymore, but he's still watching. Reading. Contemplating. Waiting to strike. And when he does, we'll be there to share his words of wisdom. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

[...] Just know that we're very close to Ghostcrawler (and the rest of the dev leads), so we can have very frank discussions about game design. Sometimes we'll sit in GC's office and argue points we've seen on the forums, either because we personally agree with those points, or we're playing devil's advocate. He sits with the rest of the class design team too, so it's really awesome to get a philosophic design discussion going with the lot of them. They're very receptive to unfiltered feedback.

I guess my point is, the perception that something is missing in terms of player feedback from the forums reaching people like GC, is stronger than the reality. But I do agree that the communication about that feedback isn't as strong as it used to be. Our department is relatively new to the structure we have now -- it began shortly before the launch of StarCraft II when the new community site format was introduced about a year ago. We're still learning how to optimize our team and figure out the tools/staffing we need to better support our forum goers. To be honest, the roles and responsibilities of Blizzard community managers have greatly increased over the years, but we know that employee interaction on the forums is still as important as ever.

For now you'll still probably see developers on the PTR forums from time to time when they need direct testing feedback, or need to inquire further about any issues/concerns. Having said that, it is the role of the community team to get information from the company to the players, and vice versa. When we're doing our job right the developers can focus more of their time on developing the game, while still feeling like they're attuned to what players are saying. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Priest (Forums / Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Divine Aegis Visual Effect
I spoke with the developers about this yesterday. You're likely to see a slightly toned down version of the original effect when it's updated. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Discipline Mastery
The root of the issue is this -- our Mastery affects our spells in very different ways.
The intent is exactly that. If mastery affected all of your spells the same way, then it would really just be a “+healing” stat, which we already offer (Intellect). Crit and haste don’t affect all your spells the same way, and we think it’s a more interesting design if mastery behaves the same way. It is possible to go too far of course. If mastery doesn’t affect enough of your entire healing package (either in terms of number of spells or raw output), then it just becomes a weak stat. Alternatively, it can lead classes, and healers in particular, to neglect spells that are weak because mastery doesn’t boost them. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

The MMO Report
You know how it works, first news of the week (or last depending on your timezone), MMO Report!

This article was originally published in forum thread: Computer Setup of the Month, Blue Posts, MMO Report started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. mmoc44a8900302's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Collected View Post
    WoW simply doesn't need it. Although I must admit, I have fond memories of being shown around a 'Player Killers' house in Ultima Online and examining what they had in all of their chests.. lots and lots and lots of gear looted after player kills. A strange mix of sympathy for those robbed of their items and awe at how much gear these players accumulated as 'outcast' dread lords.
    You know what would be awesome though? Guild housing.
    A guild a purchase a house and pimp it with stuff they earn from doing stuff together.
    It should be in an instanced zone so it ain't in the way of anyone else
  1. daburton's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Ketchup View Post
    You know what would be awesome though? Guild housing.
    A guild a purchase a house and pimp it with stuff they earn from doing stuff together.
    It should be in an instanced zone so it ain't in the way of anyone else
    exactly why they've already said they don't want to impletment guild/player housing. Cities are already dead as it is, can you imagine the scrubbrush blowing through places like SW if people had guild housing.
  1. BicycleMafioso's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Ketchup View Post
    Cmon now chaud, you dont need a Z68 motherboard if you got a graphics card as well, a P67 does the trick.
    A z68 has many more tricks over a p67, rather than using it as the primary GPU.
    Quick Sync and SSD-caching springs to mind.
  1. Azrile's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by crsh1976 View Post
    I dig the lengthy explanation about Ghostcrawler going MIA; lots of fluff to say "everybody got tired of him using the wrong tone and us CMs always had to clean up afterwards".
    Honesty, i think it was more ´dude, nobody cares what the heck we have to say if you are talking on the forums´. When GC was visable, any real information the CMs were giving was so watered down it was useless...nobody even cared. I know I would skip over most of them except GC when looking at a dev tracker.

    I think GC just realized that he was getting caught up and spending too much time communicating with the really dumb players, or just the ones that were trolling him. it was just too hard for him to have any kinda decent conversation in his threads.
  1. Orgatyrant's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by tetrisgoat View Post
    A z68 has many more tricks over a p67, rather than using it as the primary GPU.
    Quick Sync and SSD-caching springs to mind.
    Pretty much this, although in terms of gaming, QuickSync won't have any effect at all.

    Also, Caviar Blacks are a rip off. Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB, even with less cache it has faster access speeds for $25 less.
  1. Flaks's Avatar
    I want my comics boub. And I want them without having to go look them up on my own.
  1. chaud's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by JokerFMJ View Post
    On the Unicorn build: I don't believe that Noctua HSF will fit properly in the HAF 932 because of the side fan.


    Quote Originally Posted by Orgatyrant View Post
    Pretty much this, although in terms of gaming, QuickSync won't have any effect at all.

    Also, Caviar Blacks are a rip off. Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB, even with less cache it has faster access speeds for $25 less.
    They are selected for the 5 year warranty. Honestly there is very little practical performance difference between the F3 and Caviar Black.
  1. mmoc083807fdab's Avatar
    @MMO-Report ... Holy fuck! It took me forever to get the memory of Amnesia: The Dark Descent's monster out of my head (And now it's back). Now you expose me to that monster within the trailer!?
  1. Arck908's Avatar
    "New SSDs are here and are finally priced reasonably."

    They're the same price they were the last time this was posted...
  1. bazooke's Avatar
    I miss Ghostcrawler~ like someone mentioned earlier, at least he speak the truth and straight answer instead of giving you false hopes that will never come true and feeding the trolls.
  1. huldu's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    we're looking at ways to make raiding accessible and easier to get organized, without at the same time compromising the experience for those who are looking for a challenge.
    Isn't that the damn point you even made the "heroic" modes? Clearly the "normal" mode raids are far too difficult for random toss up guild. I have lost all faith in Blizzard. They didn't use to be this bad at making games but seriously they are just going downhills every month. It just gets worse and worse. I am certain D3 will be a "fail" like SC2. Just join a random server and a guild. How many of these guilds have actually killed any boss in a cataclysm raid beside BH? It's shocking. They are so damn unorganized and chaotic it's no wonder they can't do crap. Clearly you need *3* modes. Easy, normal and "heroic".
  1. mmocf5e5a6d2c7's Avatar
    Oi, Boub... What about the comics? I'll admit, DarkLegacyComics isn't that funny this week, but still
  1. mmoccea65f61c7's Avatar
    how good do Puppy and Dolphin run wow? are these specs that can run wow on ultra/high/good settings?
  1. Linkhyrule's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by huldu View Post
    Isn't that the damn point you even made the "heroic" modes? Clearly the "normal" mode raids are far too difficult for random toss up guild. I have lost all faith in Blizzard. They didn't use to be this bad at making games but seriously they are just going downhills every month. It just gets worse and worse. I am certain D3 will be a "fail" like SC2. Just join a random server and a guild. How many of these guilds have actually killed any boss in a cataclysm raid beside BH? It's shocking. They are so damn unorganized and chaotic it's no wonder they can't do crap. Clearly you need *3* modes. Easy, normal and "heroic".
    Starcraft 2

    Gamespot 9.5/10
    Eurogamer 9/10
    game infomer 10/10
    Game spy 4/5 stars
    Gamesradar 10/10
    gametrailers 9.5/10
    IGN 9/10
    4.5 mil copies sold

    Oh yeah SC2 sure is an epic fail. Everything else is nothing but QQ
  1. highwind01's Avatar
    dont get the point in still reconommending tn-panels, especially with a reasonably priced dell u2311h on the market
  1. BicycleMafioso's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by highwind01 View Post
    dont get the point in still reconommending tn-panels, especially with a reasonably priced dell u2311h on the market
    I would agree. The only time you'd ever consider TN-panels are if you consider 120Hz screens. Or if you are really that strapped for cash, which would be unfortunate.
  1. garion55's Avatar
    after losing a million + customers im surprised that GC still has a job
  1. F-Minus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Linkhyrule View Post
    Starcraft 2

    Gamespot 9.5/10
    Eurogamer 9/10
    game infomer 10/10
    Game spy 4/5 stars
    Gamesradar 10/10
    gametrailers 9.5/10
    IGN 9/10
    4.5 mil copies sold

    Oh yeah SC2 sure is an epic fail. Everything else is nothing but QQ

    4.5 million copies is rather low. CoD: Black Ops for example sold 5.6 million within the first 24h of release and now sits at estimated 18 million copies sold. I would expect Starcraft to be at least at around 10Million within the first few months, if it would be a huge blockbuster like SC1 was.

    Reviewer scores are like me telling you "The Earth is a Ball", guidelines nothing more.
  1. mmoc446497b22b's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by garion55 View Post
    after losing a million + customers im surprised that GC still has a job
    A million+ ? I thought they just stated they have 11.5 M players. Source? They talked about this on GameBreaker.TV:s Legendary and I trust them, sorry for not having anything more. Nevertheless, even the 11.4 M stated earlier is still not a "million +" less than the 12 M number before. Also why does everyone blame GC for everything?
  1. Simca's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by F-Minus View Post
    4.5 million copies is rather low. CoD: Black Ops for example sold 5.6 million within the first 24h of release and now sits at estimated 18 million copies sold. I would expect Starcraft to be at least at around 10Million within the first few months, if it would be a huge blockbuster like SC1 was.
    Call of Duty is a multiplatform game.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...PC_video_games

    4.5 Million is actually very good for a PC game.

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