WoW Lost 300k Subscribers, Patch 4.3 this year, Blizzcon 2011 Tickets, Blue Posts

I don't disagree with the sentiment that WoW has been streamlined into oblivion, as all software eventually seems to be.

Still waiting for a better MMO though...

Originally Posted by Darkblazer

Well its because they making a game just for few ppl? How many raiders/ppl are doing hardmodes?=very few, not even an 0.4% so this is very low. End of tier 11, how many guilds have downed all 3 last bosses from the 3 respective raids in hm ?=not even an 0.1% from the guilds that was having 12/12 on normal modes. Mostly is because is hard to find a good/guilds , another thing is that most of the guilds are becoming 10 man leaving a large population outside and i mean dpsers. All this make some ppl and i could say many ppl eventually leave the game simply because they cannot enjoy anymore.Me and another 5 ppl from the net(netline) we were in a semi hardcore 25-man guild with 9/13 hm . At start of FL we were having a 4/7 as 25-raid progress and 7/7 with 10 man. Second week gm wanted to do some heroics modes and 25 man was >dead and doing all week 10 man with few dedicated ppl and eventually got 1/7 heroic.3rd week again with the 10 man so many of ppls that we were more than 40 online , years playing together just leave the guild since this is how the system goes. Only for few dedicated ppl to actually enjoy the game so unless they remove the hardmodes or atleast put more bosses and like you proceed make them harder, at least something else so more ppl can enjoy the pve environment. I dont wanna say make them easier to everyone can have loots but give something that would make the majority of ppl to enjoy more the game . I speak from the semi-raiders because hardcores-raiders are very few and i dont thing that those ppl are actually keep wow alive with they're money but like we know the majority of simply raiders with casuals are keep wow alive.

I like your post, but you forgot to mention that majority of the people are still pugging Za/Zg. I feel that is the main problem when blizz made 12 other new and fun 5 mans, but are forcing people to basically do the same 2 that they made years ago over and over. And ofcourse by force i mean giving people double the JP over the others, not to mention epics / de shards.

I got pretty tired of Za/Zg when it was relevant dungeons, but running them every day since they put them back into the game is pretty crap. And that is all the casuals have to look forward to (majority of the player base) 2 crappy reincarnated instances from years ago.

Originally Posted by Meeko

I like your post, but you forgot to mention that majority of the people are still pugging Za/Zg. I feel that is the main problem when blizz made 12 other new and fun 5 mans, but are forcing people to basically do the same 2 that they made years ago over and over. And ofcourse by force i mean giving people double the JP over the others, not to mention epics / de shards.

I got pretty tired of Za/Zg when it was relevant dungeons, but running them every day since they put them back into the game is pretty crap. And that is all the casuals have to look forward to (majority of the player base) 2 crappy reincarnated instances from years ago.

I couldn't agree more.

Revamping the original cata dungeons by simply putting 353s on the end bosses and having them give 140vp would do a LOT for the enjoyment of the game right now.

Originally Posted by Rathimis

Revamping the original cata dungeons by simply putting 353s on the end bosses and having them give 140vp would do a LOT for the enjoyment of the game right now.

Great idea, but it would need something else, assuming that part of the revamping means scaling the difficulty up a bit to match gear. Doing this alone would pull an entire tier of content out from under fresh 85s.

I might like to see a new 5-man difficulty: Epic. Normal and Heroic work as-is - fixed difficulty and iLvl drops. Epic dungeons use Heroic mode content but scale health and damage according to the chosen (via LFD or unit frame menu interface) level of Epicness. The scaling would be done in such a way as to eliminate any need for maintenance of old content when a new tier arrives. There'd be 353 Epic, 365 Epic, 377 Epic, etc. Drops are the same as Heroic drops, but Epic and scaled to the appropriate iLvl using the same simple scaling factors that are used now.

I dunno, maybe that sucks. Might work.

Activision probably urging blizz to release another in game mount or pet.

Originally Posted by paintingshade

As someone who quit about a month and a half ago (though some friends still play so I check mmoc every now and then), I see alot of similarities between wow and the usa. ship is obviously sinking (because of greed) and everyone has a different opinion on what's to blame and how to fix it, but nobody is right. wow will die, and another great mmo will take its place, just like america.

lmao please take your paranoid political opinions elsewhere and stop being retarded

Originally Posted by videotape

Great idea, but it would need something else, assuming that part of the revamping means scaling the difficulty up a bit to match gear. Doing this alone would pull an entire tier of content out from under fresh 85s.

I might like to see a new 5-man difficulty: Epic. Normal and Heroic work as-is - fixed difficulty and iLvl drops. Epic dungeons use Heroic mode content but scale health and damage according to the chosen (via LFD or unit frame menu interface) level of Epicness. The scaling would be done in such a way as to eliminate any need for maintenance of old content when a new tier arrives. There'd be 353 Epic, 365 Epic, 377 Epic, etc. Drops are the same as Heroic drops, but Epic and scaled to the appropriate iLvl using the same simple scaling factors that are used now.

I dunno, maybe that sucks. Might work.

Epic** this word was kinda epic in classic wow and in burning crusade expansion.After that has this word has lost his value.We want the game to be generaly easy because there are many ppl casual unskilled but they wanna have fun and i want to believe that they deserve to feel kinda more special when obtaining some items . Its the feeling of getting an upgrade something that i had in those years playing (vanilla bc). Atm i dont see anyone spamming on ventrillo or write something when he gets an amazing item from an raid or anyone say gz/gratzz simply nothing its more like booting.This is kinda killing the gameplay/communication and generaly the game itself. 1st time killing ragnaros and on ventrilo was simply .....okay give the loots so we can go afk.......Nothing to say

Originally Posted by PHOENIXZERO

Bandwidth gets cheaper and cheaper every year.

As I cleary said, most consumer prices har rised over the years and ppl complaint about a subscribtion fee that has stayed the same since the launce of wow.

Originally Posted by martinboy

As I cleary said, most consumer prices har rised over the years and ppl complaint about a subscribtion fee that has stayed the same since the launce of wow.

Except for the part where they haven't. You can't compare game operating costs to things like food or oil.

Server hosting prices have gone down. Thanks to things like the App Store, nearly all software prices have gone down dramatically (in exchange for higher numbers of sales). Bandwidth costs have gone down. Database management costs have gone down. As the bulk of gaming costs are front-loaded (creating the engine and world-building tools), their content creation costs have also gone down.

Bottom line? It almost certainly costs Blizzard less money to operate/maintain servers for 11 million players now than it did for just a few million on vanilla's release day. They've maintained the same subscription fee despite having lower costs and putting out less content. There's no positive spin for that.

Originally Posted by Sanctioned

Sadly some fanboys will come out and flame the crap out of you most likely but you put it into great perspective right there.

Call me a fanboy, but i somewhat disagree.
You see: "omg blizzard is lazy, there is less content"
I see: Quality over Quantity

Blizzard has improved enormously over the last few years, being it class balance or just boss mechanics.
There is no comparing it to vanilla, the balance was far worse then it is now. The majority of mechanics were far worse then they are now.
Other then some Nostalgia feeling that everyone is holding onto, Vanilla was not better.

I don't mind if they give less content, their content is improving.
For me, Quality > Quantity.
If you want a fuckton of crappy content, there are plenty of shitty MMOs out there
If you want a handful of good content, WoW is your game.

On Diablo 3 for example i dont like, Whoring money from Auction Houses, dear lord.

Originally Posted by Rensyk

Biggest content patch ever aye? I expect 2+ Raids from that personally.

--> Patch 4.3 will be the "largest content update since Cataclysm"

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Originally Posted by Powell

On Diablo 3 for example i dont like, Whoring money from Auction Houses, dear lord.

tbh, it's not that bad. you can't compare it with World of Warcraft. There's no competition between Raidgroups or something. Usually you're in a random group questing. Nobody gives a damn sh** about firstkills or something cuz you don't get the loot from special encounters. The loot in D3 is, like in D2, random loot.

Originally Posted by muchtoohigh

Once Activison took over, WoW was no longer driven by creativity...

Oh, please stop it.
It's a shameless myth.
There is one bloody greedy company.
It has always been like that.

The reason WoW is losing subscribers can be summed up in one word: BORED.

I quit raiding four months ago then quit the game altogether about a month ago. Everyone I played with also quit. It's not one thing in particular, it's just that the game has run out of steam. The same old mechanics, the same old problems and solutions. It's been 6 years I think, which is a pretty good run for a game but I just don't give a damn anymore.

I'll play the new Star Wars game when it comes online but I'll never go back to WoW. The next expansion is almost certain to have a real-money auction house and that's a step too far for me. Anyone with any dignity will refuse to play the new Diablo for that reason.

WoW is on the way out and no doubt. Losing close to a million subscribers in half a year tells me the game is tanking and fast. They can pin their hopes on these trial accounts but I reckon a lot will be people like my brother who played top level 20 and then just thought "this isn't as good as LA Noire".

600k player one quarter
300k player one quarter

That's almost 1 million players in 6 months. WoW IS dying.

Dear Blizzard, if you want me to come back and stay as a customer, you can do two things:1: Drop the price, $10 a month is more than enough.2: Make the non-raid and non-PvP content worth a fuck. Give me a reason to stay.

Dear Blizzard, if you want to keep me and my guild playing, just keep releasing awesomeness like 4.2. Thanks. That is all.

It's going to be the biggest content patch since Cataclysm... somehow I don't feel impressed, looking as we've had 2 -recycled- heroics and one raid with a (in my opinion) really boring daily quest zone.
I don't care how big the patch is, but I guess I'm the "quality over quantity" type of person.

nice pic http://media.mmo-champion.com/images...uly/ss1440.jpg

Originally Posted by Scream And Fly

The hardcore people will always have their heroic loot and I know for the most part, I will never have heroic armor. That's perfectly fine with me and I'm proud of my toon for what it has. I think that those players that raid four days a week and devote themselves to the game should be rewarded for it - and there are many things those players can obtain for their added effort. Most WoW players are not hardcore players, and we should have some opportunity to have a full raid experience as well - not saying it should be easy, but maybe just some raids may be tweaked a bit in normal mode if they're too hard for casual players.

Just my opinion. Oh, and this is my humble hunter that I'm happy playing:

Cool based off you then I am "The Voice" of the casual gamer because it seems you have your T11 helm and shoulders I don't. I don't have enough post but I am RangedMerc on Nazgrel, sorry I couldn't link my profile.
I have valor gear from doing heroics, and I have rep gear from grinding rep, and a bow from a trash run. My gear isn't anything to OOOOHHHH and AHHHH over but it is doing 26K in heroics on multiple targets and 19K on single targets that should be just fine for casual players. To many people are more than casual yet are truly complaining about not having success in heroic raids. True I could raid if I wanted to but right now my schedule doesn't allow me the time to unless raids are kicking off at 10AM Saturday and Sunday, start after 8:30 M, W, Th, and are done by 11 those same days. Since most raids don't I don't bother to raid, in the fall and winter my schedule will change and I can raid.

If you don't like that you can't have a tier set TOUGH, I don't like that rogues have kidney shot. That doesn't mean Blizz is going to change it because of me. Signing off "The Voice" of the casual gamer. Blizzard let me do more single target DPS and you will be alright in my book, SV hunters should be top DPS. J/K.

Originally Posted by NeVeRLiFt

lol
i would imagine most of the subs lost are hunters tired of blizz crap with how they handle hunters and never fix them for pvp

I do miss the old days of playing a hunter sitting on top of the mountain in AV and just spaming multi-shot on horde for honor, but come on is that fair no so I understand the changes. I am really loving some of the changes to PVP for hunters, but there are other things I don't like which is in everything we do. I love getting paid very well for my job, I just wish I didn't have to go to work for it. The good with the bad is in life, if you don't want to pay for something that forces you to make sacrifices we "casual" gamers understand.

Originally Posted by Ranikotar

I do wonder what's going to be in 4.3 though =O!

Probably just Deathwing raid dungeon and Abyssal Maw 5man dungeon. Then next it's gonna be 5.0 with the new expansion.