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Dev Watercooler -- Threat Level Midnight
Blizzard is going to make a couple of changes to threat, among other things:

  • Hotfix: The threat generated by classes in their tanking mode has been increased from three times damage done to five times damage done.
  • In an upcoming patch: Vengeance no longer ramps up slowly at the beginning of a fight. Instead, the first melee attack taken generates Vengeance equal to one third of the damage dealt by that attack. As Vengeance updates during the fight, it is always set to at least a third of the damage taken in the last two seconds. It still climbs from that point at the previous rate, still decays at the previous rate, and still cannot exceed the current maximum.

Read the entire blog post for more details and upcoming changes.
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Threat revisited

One of the fun things about working on an MMO is that the game design will evolve over time, and you have the opportunity to make changes to reflect those design shifts. (And yes, we know that it can sometimes evolve too quickly).

Back in December, I wrote a blog post about our vision for how threat should work. Since then, the game and the community have continued to progress and the designers have found ourselves changing our minds about the role of threat. Enough that we’re planning to apply a hotfix this week to change how threat works.

Why have threat?

Threat’s role, just so we’re all on the same page, is to make fights more interesting. Tanks spend a lot of effort staying alive, but they aren’t under immediate threat of death one-hundred percent of the time. Plus, their staying alive is also dependent on their healers and other external cooldowns. We have always been concerned that if threat was not a big part of tanking gameplay that tanks might get bored just waiting around until it was time to use a cooldown. Likewise, if DPS and healers had no risk of being attacked themselves then the sense of danger facing a powerful creature could erode. Furthermore, every character’s toolbox includes some cool survival and utility abilities and the game feels more shallow if those are exclusively used for PvP. It’s fun for a mage to Frost Nova an attacker and Blink away. It’s fun for a hunter to Feign Death. Yes your life would be a lot easier without threat mechanics, but our goal isn’t to make fights as easy as possible. Our job is to make fights fun. Having too much to manage might not be fun, but it’s also not fun to be bored.

That’s been our traditional argument for threat needing to matter. Here is the case against it:

Why not have threat?

Throttling


  • As I said in the previous blog post, it’s not fun to feel throttled. It’s not fun for the Feral druid to stop using special attacks in order to avoid pulling aggro. It’s fun to use Feint at the right time to avoid dying, but it’s not fun for Feint to be part of your rotational cooldown. We want you to spend most of your effort trying to overcome the dragon or elemental, not struggling against your own tank.

Tanks are busy


  • I’d also argue that our encounters aren’t really boring these days. We ask tanks to do a lot -- everything from picking up adds, to moving bosses around, to staying out of fires, to providing interrupts, in addition to the classic tank roles of staying alive and generating threat.

Threat stats aren’t fun


  • We put threat stats (hit and expertise for the most part) on tanking gear, because without those, tanks would be limited to choosing from among mastery, dodge, and parry. (In the current state of itemization, you are rarely choosing more Strength, Agility, Stamina, or armor.) Druids can’t parry, and even for the plate users, there is a tight relationship between dodge and parry, and even mastery for the warrior and paladin. That gets us dangerously close to the old model of stacking a single uber stat (like Stamina or defense), which makes gearing choices too simplistic for tanks. Did something drop? Okay, put it on. (Contrast this to a DPS caster who might want more or less hit or might favor haste over crit, etc.)

    We want threat stats to be interesting, but the reality is that they aren’t. Any decent tank will usually choose survivability stats over threat stats. Back in the day when taunts and interrupts could miss, you could argue hit was marginally useful. But in a world where hit is really just for generating threat, it isn’t very exciting and tanks get understandably emo when we put too much on their gear. (DKs are somewhat of an exception in a good way -- more on that in a sec.) We do see some players try and get excited about threat stats or even proud of their ability to generate threat, but overall we feel like threat stats are a trap, and it’s usually the case that improving your survivability will have a better net impact on your group’s progression.

We don’t need a more complex UI


  • We have threatened for years (see what I did there?) to build in some kind of threat tracking tool into WoW. But is that really good for the game? Do we really need yet another UI element for players to look at instead of looking at the actual game world? We know many raiders in particular use third-party threat mods today, but that has really been borne out of necessity rather than a sense that watching threat is super compelling gameplay. (When we say “super compelling gameplay” you can mentally replace that with “fun.”)

Dungeon Finder


  • I know this bullet will be a point made by players critical of this change, but I would feel remiss in not bringing it up. We want it to be a positive experience when Dungeon Finder matches experienced players with newer players. The skill and gear of the former can help make up for that of the latter. Who better to teach you boss mechanics than players who have done the fights before? Even better, the gear of a veteran tank can make up for the less powerful gear of a beginning healer (which doesn’t necessarily mean a noob -- it could be the alt of a very experienced raider).

    However, this system fails and often spectacularly so when it’s the tank who is the undergeared player. Even if a competent healer can keep the undergeared tank alive, the fully raid-geared DPS spec is going to constantly be on the verge of pulling threat. That’s not an issue of skill. It’s just numbers. It’s also not a problem that is easy to overcome for either the overgeared DPS or the undergeared tank -- it’s just not a lot of fun for anyone.


So now what?

Given all of that, and watching how tanking has unfolded in Cataclysm, we’ve gotten over the concept that threat needs to be a major part of PvE gameplay. We have therefore decided to buff tank threat generation in a hotfix this week to where it’s generally not a major consideration. We expect the community to gradually stop using threat-tracking mods as players realize they don’t need them.

It’s an important distinction that the concept of “aggro” will still exist. If a DPS spec attacks an add the second it shows up, then the creature is going to come at her. However, if a tank gets an attack or two on a target, then the target should stick to the tank. Worrying about who has the creature’s attention should generally only be a concern at the start of a fight or when additional creatures join the battle. Worrying about a warrior or DK (the classes with nearly non-existent threat dumps) creeping up on tank threat after several minutes will almost certainly not be an issue any longer. (And if it is, we’ll have to make further adjustments.)

We like abilities like Misdirect. It’s fun as a hunter to help the tank control targets. We are less enamored of Cower, which is just an ability used often to suppress threat. We like that the mage might have to use Ice Block, Frost Nova, or even Mirror Image to avoid danger. We don’t like the mage having to worry about constantly creeping up on the tank’s threat levels. The notion of aggro (who the target is attacking) is a keeper. The notion of threat races (who is about to pull aggro) is going to be downplayed from here on out.

Upcoming changes

Here are the specific changes you’re likely to see:


  • Hotfix: The threat generated by classes in their tanking mode has been increased from three times damage done to five times damage done.
  • In an upcoming patch: Vengeance no longer ramps up slowly at the beginning of a fight. Instead, the first melee attack taken generates Vengeance equal to one third of the damage dealt by that attack. As Vengeance updates during the fight, it is always set to at least a third of the damage taken in the last two seconds. It still climbs from that point at the previous rate, still decays at the previous rate, and still cannot exceed the current maximum.

Long-term changes

You could argue that once threat is very easy to manage that a warrior tank could just go AFK. In reality, given today’s boss encounters, an AFK warrior would end up standing in the wrong place, missing a tank transition, or otherwise do something or fail to do something that wipes the party or raid.

That said, we ultimately don’t want tanking to be just standing there soaking boss hits and we would like to have more stats on gear that tanks care about. To solve those challenges, we want to shift more tank mitigation to require active management. We’ll still give all the tanks emergency cooldowns like Shield Wall and Survival Instincts. However, we want to move the shorter cooldowns like Shield Block, Holy Shield and Savage Defense so that they work more like Death Strike. Blood DKs have a lot of control over the survivability they get from Death Strike, but as part of that gameplay, they have to actually hit their target. The other three tanks will get similar active defense mechanics. This doesn’t mean everyone needs to use the DK model of self-healing, but they can use the DK model of managing resources to maximize survivability.

Death Strike consumes resources to help the tank survive. We toyed at one point with the paladin Holy Shield being a Holy Power consumer and we think we could do so again. Heck we could make Word of Glory the thing you’re supposed to do with Holy Power, so long as we balanced all tanks around that idea and didn’t feel it infringed too much on the DK mechanic. We could make Shield Block cost rage, and change Protection warrior rage income such that they had to manage rage, the way Fury and Arms warriors now must do. If tanks generated more rage from doing damage and less from taking damage, then hitting a target becomes very important, but for mitigation, not threat management reasons. This is a bigger change than it seems though. We don’t want a model where the Prot warrior ignores Shield Slam, Devastate and Revenge (since threat isn’t a big deal) in order to bank all rage for Shield Block (because survival is). Imagine a rage model where you always had enough rage for your core rotational abilities (they could be cheap or even generate rage), so that you could funnel most of your rage into Shield Block when survival mattered and Heroic Strike when it did not. Redesigning Savage Defense to make it a rage sink is an even bigger change, but we think there is an opportunity there to make the rotation more interesting for druids (and all tanks really). Their rotation would help them achieve the goal that usually matters the most to tanks: living.

This is the kind of design for which we’re really going to need a lot of feedback once it hits. We can implement and verify empirically how much threat a tank generates, but it’s hard for us to replicate the experience of all of the various raiding groups and dungeon parties out there. We invite you to try out the immediate and eventually the long-term changes when they are available and let us know how they feel. Do you miss the threat game? Are you bored when tanking now? Conversely, with the changes, is tanking more fun for you? Does this new implementation of Vengeance feel better? Some systems design calls we can make just by processing numbers, and some are more squishy and involve a lot gut checks and wishy-washy “but how does it FEEL?” language. Messing with this kind of thing is definitely somewhere in the middle.


Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is the lead systems designer for World of Warcraft, and lead eater at the dinner table.
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  1. Lufi's Avatar
    Bringing perfectly fine classes down to the dk level isn't something cool... NO TY!
  1. Calamari's Avatar
    Hi,

    all aspects and arguments on and of the change are well thought out and valid. I agree especially on the part where tank rotations could (And should) be designed around pushing buttons that reduce damage taken, not just a dps rotation as is the case on a warrior and druid (paladin too to a lesser extent). DKs are the only tanks who are constantly busy watching their survival cooldowns and at times with sweat dripping from their forehead trying to ration resource breadcrumbs into surviving a few seconds longer yet at the sime time having dps inches away on their heels and forced into pushing dps as well, taking away the stressfulness of keeping threat will give valuable seconds to think about mitigation, the real thing.

    And that's what tanking should be about, spending the moment thinking about the next boss attack and how best to counter it (pooling holy power for a word of glory or runes for a death strike to have ready and cast the second after Big Punch hits you for 150k for example. Something warriors could really use too btw, were a bit helpless on self healing outside of cooldowns, unlike paladins who can Word of Glory, Lay on hands, hell they can even Radiance to stay up a little longer. Warriors pray for lucky Blood Craze procs, survival from random procs now that is boring and unintuitive.

    While on topic of paladin tanks, the control over ones own -and- the groups survival is also part of the reason prot paladins are so popular no doubt, beside the standard arsenal of -dmg cooldowns and self healing, they can lay on hands the healer, blessing of freedom the frostbolted rogue out of a voidzone (lets say his cloak is on cd), then go right ahead and hand of protection the mage who has a dog eating him, and to celebrate the occasion then pops Divine Guardian reducing his groups damage taken by 20% for 6s. Hell he can even use that 3 holy power Word of Glory on someone else than himself, almost like a DK transfering a death strike heal unto a friendly player.

    A warrior can only silently contemplate and cry as his healer is dying in a fire spamming heals on everyone but himself, the frost bolted rogue not making it in time and dying in the voidzone, the mage being eaten alive by the dog (lets say its a dog of hell that eats ice blocks and is untankable). Rallying cry does not save the day, it only delays the inevitable in those (common) situations, the paladin has infinitely more power over his groups fate. (I didn't even mention Hand of Sacrifice or using Seal of Insight instead of a dps seal, or using the judgement mana to offheal during offtanking, the support options are near limitless and make me cry when tanking on my warrior).

    DKs have similar power in that they can exceedingly well keep themselves alive, do a tiny bit of group healing with blood tap, combat ress anyone who dies, and army can be very powerful against adds. Druids can use a well timed Tranquility and bring the hole groups health back up during transition phases, innervate the healer, or combat ress someone. Warriors can only dream of helping their group in such ways..

    Here are some suggestions how to give warrior tanks a small ammount of the group support that all other tanks have, without being overpowered:

    -Shouts healing the protection warrior, for example 10% health when using a shout, through a late protection talent. And/or make shout reduce groups damage taken by 10% for 4s.

    -Impeding Victroy change (most warrior tanks currently skip this talent, for a 2 point talent it's expensive, clunky, annoying and forces spamming a mediocre filler attack for mediocre self heals and reducing the prot warriors dps to terrible when used to full effect) - Instead it should have a chance to proc off all the warriors attacks against a target below 20%.

    -A deep protection talent (maybe coupled into Impeding Victory) that makes Enraged Regeneration heal the whole group for 50% of the regeneration effect, scaling with the warriors own self healing talents, similar to a weaker version of tranquility but easier to use, or a paladin's Divine Guardian (2 min cooldown that reduces whole raids damage taken by 20% for 6s) or Radiance.

    -Safeguard - Allows you to use charge/intercept on friendly targets once every 30s (without stunning or damaging them of course), this does not put charge/intercept on cooldown when used offensively, but you can only charge/intercept friendly players once every 30s (like intervene).

    -Intervene - Instead of charging at a friendly player, when used on a friendly taget within 40 yard the next attack against them (single target or aoe) will deal 40% less damage, and prevent that attack from killing the target. The warrior shouts to a friendly player in his group: GET DOWN! Reducing the damage of the next attack against them by 40%, and makes them survive at 5% health if the attack would have otherwise killed them. 2min cd. Warrior can't cast it on himself. Near useless in PvP, since the smallest white offhand swing consumes the effect, but when well timed on a friendly raid tank or player standing in super nova's range, the warrior can save them, if only for a few critical seconds before healer fills them up.

    Thanks for your time if you bothered to read it all, I love tanking on my warrior, but I have stopped tanking with her since I can do much more good for my group's and my own survival tanking on my paladin!
    -Red
  1. ragingsoul's Avatar
    this really is a sad moment for the tanking roll.
    Only started playing in TBC, but since then:
    - removal of crushing blows
    - removal of defense rating
    - only 1 type of tanking weapon speed
    - reforging to take almost any gear
    - Self healing mechanism, instead of mitigation

    I loved the time I passed on maintankadin researching gear setups, talent setups, rotation setups, to pull out the max dps and thus threat possible of my class. Threat is part of the things you see in a good tank, and there you go, something unique will go down the drain again. To the people that don't think it's fun to hold aggro, you're mistaken on your feeling. It's not fun trying to hold aggro from noobs and people that do wtf they want, but hold aggro from good players is pretty much the only thing fun and challanging about tanking. Removing that, you're just a dps getting hit on.
    edit: I forgot DR, the only spec in game that has some. how fun is it to get less and less effects on stats as your gear gets better right?

    IMO, next change? Tanking gear removed, you have talents to to convert crit--> parry, haste --> dodge.

    After not caring about block cap (crushing blows), after not caring about crit immune and defense rating (read, how to organize your gear to have the best aggro possible while still maintaining crit immune.), after not caring about drops (reforging), , after thinking 1 more spell name is too much to remember (shield bash gone and replace) let's not care about threat anymore (vengeance and+ threat), next stop, what's tanking gear?
    Seriously, tanking was about adapting your gear to your healers and the encounter, it was something unique about the class, and something you could be respected for. those changes, 1 after another is just making tanking a generic role, and like everything in WoW at the moment, it's removing the uniqueness and aspect of the game, patch after patch.
  1. Damax's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by melonhead View Post
    I didn't say anything was reducing threat. L2read.

    I said it was "further reduction... ... of what used to be an interesting role."

    Oh no, I can push holy shield every 30 seconds, and hit shield wall when DBM tells me. 2 interactions required past autoattack. WHEEEEE FUN!

    Furthermore, GW:2 does have tanks, any role can tank, you swap your weapon set to fill different roles. So, talk about an engaging playstyle, my engineer (or whatever cool dps class i decide to roll) can both heal and tank if needed.
    I'm dislexic so give me a break -_-

    they said it wouldn't be about using holyshield every 30 sec and using shield wall. you are clearly a war or paladin and didn't try dk current tanking mode or maybe your one of the dks that let the healers do all the job and hope for good dpses

    pretty sure your GW tank thing then is the same as wow... your trading 2 25 cents for 5 10 cents. who said gw will have threat? and if they do, who said that it'll be hard to keep? chances are you'll just be doing what you do as a dps but with a shield and lower numbers.

    its like when people used to say: rift will be so much different... with all the souls and different spec you could do).... yep pretty sure its all about min-max anyway and so not much customisation
  1. Papadragon's Avatar
    One of the worst update i've seen by Blizzard. As a warrior tank, I can say that the starting threat was sometimes an issue without any hit/expertise on single/aoe target, but not enough to return to a faceroll method.

    Issue is a big word, cause it was still working.

    All I mean is that, that's a little detail that won't make any difference when I log in a capital city, make a quick AH tour, take my flying mount, make a ride around the town, queue up for a dungeon...wait 15 minutes to find out that my pug players can't get pass 10k dps and we finally wipe on the first ZG boss, quit the group and find out I got a 30 minutes debuff...logout and wait for raiding.

    Get something going on ...

    PvP world, Outdoor Bosses, Invasions (Rift style), Housing, guild leveling, more classes, 8M raid, mount combat, More legendary weapons...revamp classic content...
  1. melonhead's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Damax View Post
    I'm dislexic so give me a break -_-
    It's spelled dyslexic. If you were really dyslexic, I think you'd know something more about it than a random person. And also if you're dyslexic, I'd think I'd triple check before not giving someone else a break.
    they said it wouldn't be about using holyshield every 30 sec and using shield wall. you are clearly a war or paladin and didn't try dk current tanking mode or maybe your one of the dks that let the healers do all the job and hope for good dpses
    I'm a paladin that actually played like a blood dk, back when it was possible. Sacrificing threat for survivability, balancing threat output versus vengeance. I know exactly what the playstyle is like.

    pretty sure your GW tank thing then is the same as wow... your trading 2 25 cents for 5 10 cents. who said gw will have threat? and if they do, who said that it'll be hard to keep? chances are you'll just be doing what you do as a dps but with a shield and lower numbers.

    its like when people used to say: rift will be so much different... with all the souls and different spec you could do).... yep pretty sure its all about min-max anyway and so not much customisation
    I'm pretty sure GW:2 won't be anything like Rift or WoW. Go educate yourself on it sometime. And so what if a tank is just a dps spec with a shield? That's one extra item to carry, not 15, a weapon swap, not a dual spec switch, a choice in playstyle instead of 2h tank, 1h tank 1, 1h tank 2, or furry tank blatantly copied from 1h tank 1.
  1. Damax's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by melonhead View Post
    It's spelled dyslexic. If you were really dyslexic, I think you'd know something more about it than a random person. And also if you're dyslexic, I'd think I'd triple check before not giving someone else a break.
    I'm pretty sure no one does typos on the internet. Also I triple checked but it wasn't enough I guess.
  1. Grithmir's Avatar
    Look, it's those guys with the "Wasn't hard to begin with" and "It's a small change" argument. No, holding aggro wasn't hard. Holding aggro while managing your cooldowns, health, surroundings, other tanks, boss abilities, etc was hard. Of course they nerfed those things one by one, and now it's a complete joke. I was thinking of resubbing for a month, but I'm going to spend my money on something else, because tanking sounds like it's totally boring right now. (and it already was since WotLK, Cata barely changed that.)
  1. ragingsoul's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Calamari View Post
    While on topic of paladin tanks, the control over ones own -and- the groups survival is also part of the reason prot paladins are so popular no doubt, beside the standard arsenal of -dmg cooldowns and self healing, they can lay on hands the healer, blessing of freedom the frostbolted rogue out of a voidzone (lets say his cloak is on cd), then go right ahead and hand of protection the mage who has a dog eating him, and to celebrate the occasion then pops Divine Guardian reducing his groups damage taken by 20% for 6s. Hell he can even use that 3 holy power Word of Glory on someone else than himself, almost like a DK transfering a death strike heal unto a friendly player.
    I don't think you tanked on a pala a lot.
    Most of the fights where hands are useful, I could never use them because they were too far away (ruby sanctum, rotface etc in wrath), and each time they cost a gcd too, and in this example, you can't magically save everyone at the same time either.
    That said, I'm absolutely not a fan of self healing as tank, I don't think a tank should have the possibility of self heal, but rather mitigation. WoG on others are to me stupid mechanics, same as DK healing, but that's just me.
  1. Barlowe's Avatar
    I'd just love getting back to having tanks deal threat, not damage. If I wanted to be high on DPS, I'd have specced for DPS. Plus, when you group with n00b players, it just looks so bad with me as a tank on top of the dmg meter. Once again, Blizz should really balance their content around 3 dps being enough to do stuff quick enough in heroics and whichever number is relevant in 10 and 25 man raiding without needing tank dmg (and Disc priest healing dmg )
  1. wiIdi's Avatar
    the hotfix sounds good because frost DKs press one single button and pull aggro
  1. melonhead's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Damax View Post
    I'm pretty sure no one does typos on the internet. Also I triple checked but it wasn't enough I guess.
    You poor victim you.

    This change is still bad.
  1. Jogan's Avatar
    Wohooo! I am loving this change. I primarily will have threat problems at the start of fights and in aoe tanking(play a druid). This will allow me to focus much more on my role in the fight. It will also allow well geared dps to dps normally when they are paired with a lesser geared tank in the dungeon finder. Those who are whining and complaining about this change can go drown in their tears.
  1. Auto-Unstuck's Avatar
    The real reason for this change is to make tanking easier and require less skill, so that more players will want to play as a tank, and so that bad tanks won't seem so bad. Ultimately it's another dungeon finder change to make up for the class call fail.
  1. melonhead's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jogan View Post
    Wohooo! I am loving this change. I primarily will have threat problems at the start of fights and in aoe tanking(play a druid). This will allow me to focus much more on my role in the fight. It will also allow well geared dps to dps normally when they are paired with a lesser geared tank in the dungeon finder. Those who are whining and complaining about this change can go drown in their tears.
    I'm glad you can play with the big boys now too.

    Just wondering... what did you think your role was before? And why were you losing focus on it?

    ---------- Post added 2011-08-16 at 10:04 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Auto-Unstuck View Post
    The real reason for this change is to make tanking easier and require less skill, so that more players will want to play as a tank, and so that bad tanks won't seem so bad. Ultimately it's another dungeon finder change to make up for the class call fail.
    And good tanks will be bored to tears and stop tanking so that ultimately there will be fewer tanks. Engaging and rewarding (you get something when you succeed) gameplay is what players want.
  1. Damax's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by melonhead View Post


    ---------- Post added 2011-08-16 at 10:04 PM ----------

    And good tanks will be bored to tears and stop tanking so that ultimately there will be fewer tanks. Engaging and rewarding (you get something when you succeed) gameplay is what players want.
    there's more baddies than good players... true fact
  1. melonhead's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Damax View Post
    there's more baddies than good players... true fact
    even bad players want engaging and rewarding game play.
  1. Needonboots's Avatar
    At Cataclysm release: "We want threat to matter, so tanks actually have an engaging experience" TANKING IS TOOO HAAARRRD HOW DO I PRESS BUTTANS "Threat no longer exists, if you are a tank spec all mobs will automatically only target you" Bear in mind I had already quit WoW before this change, however this solidifies my choice. What the shit fun is tanking if there's absolutely no effort required? Not that effort was required before tbh. When it was already super easy if you had the slightest clue about your class, who the fuck needed threat buffing to be able to tank?
  1. Calamari's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ragingsoul View Post
    I don't think you tanked on a pala a lot.
    Most of the fights where hands are useful, I could never use them because they were too far away (ruby sanctum, rotface etc in wrath), and each time they cost a gcd too, and in this example, you can't magically save everyone at the same time either.
    That said, I'm absolutely not a fan of self healing as tank, I don't think a tank should have the possibility of self heal, but rather mitigation. WoG on others are to me stupid mechanics, same as DK healing, but that's just me.
    You are right, a well designed raid encounter will have means to prevent the full use of such situationally powerful support tools, however most fights give opportunity for the smart paladin to play his support to the fullest. When tanking Rotface in the center of the room, I used to Blessing of Protection any healer who was being targeted by the large slimes as they spawned, their agro could be tricky no matter how ontoes the slime tank was.

    Hand of Sacrifice is fantastic, 30% damage reduction on a friendly tank is -huge- when, effectively another cooldown to their arsenal at your disposal. The current Intervene prevents 1 attack (usually not even that, it can be very unreliable), and unlike hand spells, requires you to charge all the way over the friendly player's melee range and through whatever might lie inbetween, most raid tanks can't afford leaving their positions all too often.

    Lay on Hands? I've saved so many wipes with this in raids and 5 mans. Can top off a near death tank within 1 gcd, at a 7min cd that's simply magnificent.

    Prot paladin self healing is but an icing on the cake and not necessary to use at all, it's simply a bonus in addition to all the support tools available to you.

    The true trump of being a prot paladin is having the tools to assist and counter almost any danger on individual party members without interrupting the tanking process at all. A protection warrior has none of that, we have our dps rotation, there is no reactive self healing outside of Frenzied Regeneration. We have 1 support cooldown, which is Rallying Cry, and that pales in comparison to Divine Guardian. We have 0 support tools to reduce a friendly targets damage taken, or heal the group, we are the only tanking class with such drastic limitations to group support.
  1. Isterra's Avatar
    I think this is a great idea. As a tank myself I think the hardest thing for me is to try to hold threat off those crazy classes like Arcane mages and Frost DK's who don't know how to just wait 1 sec while moving to avoid stuff in a fight.

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