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Originally Posted by VanishO2

Or actually bothered with it... lol

And if you take into consideration that a lot of players left the game...

... and added to that consider a lot of players don't give a shit about heroic modes.

Originally Posted by Baikalsan

What on earth are you talking about? Back in vanilla ALL QUESTS SUCKED COMPARED TO TODAY. But now look at the DK starter area, that was pretty cool wasn't it?

Oh 6 year old class quest sucked (apparently you never did the Warlock ones) that means class quests will always suck........this is the dumbest "reasoning" I have heard all week.

I do NOT like the old class quests because mine (apparently you never did the Warlock paladin ones)ALL sucked; mount quest was boring and just expensive back then. And the gear/spell quests were also not special. Doing a quest that has your friends 15 minutes waiting for you while levelling because you need item/spell X is NOT cool.

About the DK quest lines: yes, agree, I loved them the first time. However, I see players asking for class quests, not class zones with class factions, class cities and class... You get the point. Also, the DK zone proves my third point.

Class quests are a huge time sink, with all that money and effort wasted for a single run for just 1 class. And THAT is my real problem with class quests.
Why the hell would you make an investment like the DK starting zone for every single class? So we can all play trough it just once? That doesn't seem to be a very good model for an MMO.

Originally Posted by Baikalsan

You heard it here first guys! Blizzard needs to remove legendaries + their chains and also everything that is fun but not efficient because that is the most important thing when playing a game.......being efficient.....

Oh come on, yeh, working on a legendary with a guild is the EXACT SAME THING as having a warlock specific class chain with some kind of epic at the end. THE EXACT SAME. Come on man, wake up.

Class Quests are unlikely to return due to the amount of time it takes to design and implement them.

Translation: Blizzard are lazy.

Originally Posted by Dblbaconator

Gonna chime in on that timeline thing.

I wouldn't be surprised if said "meaningful difference" allowed them to go through and fix up some of the still-broken parts of Cata. Most notable I can think of off the top of my head are finishing construction of Orgrimmar and putting out that damn fire on top of Stormwind's gate from Deathwing (that is some fire, lemme tell ya). Or maybe they'll just leave it like that for the hell of it, I dunno.

Each expansion has pushed the timeline in WoW forward about one year or so (there's not a very concrete timeline out there, but pieced together, Classic took place 4 years after WCIII, BC 5, WotLK 6, Cata 7). A "meaningful difference" would have to be quite a bit longer than that. I doubt it'll mean a revamped Outland (especially since they just revamped a major portion of the game in Cata), but it wouldn't hurt. Still, we'd need a new storyline reason for going to Outland, and by extension Northrend, to justify a remake.

Wrath was released 22 months after BC. Cat was released 25 months after Wrath. "Meaningful difference" means that we won't have to wait two years for the next expansion, meaning that the pandas should be released at some point around may or june, most likely.

Originally Posted by ;

New players are still having trouble with the first 30 minutes and five levels of the game, more hand holding is coming for very basic concepts like moving, questing, fighting, and looting.

If you have problems finding out how to WALK, should you be playing any games at all?
Seriously...

Originally Posted by Swizzle

For a game maker, they are one in the same. What you're trying to do is determine what definition of "is" they are using. Further, they made the game sooooooooo easy and dumbed down, that only 28 guilds have actually fully cleared all the content.

u act like the actual raid encounter is difficult for the individual. the only part thats been hard about raiding,ever, has been finding 9/24/39 other people that arent complete downies.

Originally Posted by Truthahn

I do NOT like the old class quests because mine (apparently you never did the Warlock paladin ones)ALL sucked; mount quest was boring and just expensive back then. And the gear/spell quests were also not special. Doing a quest that has your friends 15 minutes waiting for you while levelling because you need item/spell X is NOT cool.

About the DK quest lines: yes, agree, I loved them the first time. However, I see players asking for class quests, not class zones with class factions, class cities and class... You get the point. Also, the DK zone proves my third point.

Class quests are a huge time sink, with all that money and effort wasted for a single run for just 1 class. And THAT is my real problem with class quests.
Why the hell would you make an investment like the DK starting zone for every single class? So we can all play trough it just once? That doesn't seem to be a very good model for an MMO.

It was meant to be expensive and time consuming. Level 60 was end game. It would be the equivalent of constructing Shadowmourne.

"Mainhand can only be applied to mainhand, and offhand can only be applied to offhand". Does this mean I can put the art of an off hand fist weapon onto an off hand axe for example?

Originally Posted by Cows For Life

It was meant to be expensive and time consuming. Level 60 was end game. It would be the equivalent of constructing Shadowmourne.

The blood elf paladin mount quest was not a level 60 endgame quest. It was a level 60 quest whereas level 70 was endgame.
The exorcism quest was also NOT a level 60 quest.
Did I mention the hammer allies got (get?) around level 20?
And so on.

Originally Posted by VanishO2

Looks like you do everything on the PTRs... wonder why you get bored with live servers... lol

Nah I don't usually play PTR's all the time other than 4.1 cause DK frost was bad ass there. But for 4.3 cause of the Transmorgifier I can't wait to try it out and see my DK in Pala Judgement gear look-a-like from BC. and The Grand Marshal Claymore pvp wep

Originally Posted by Strafer

Translation: Blizzard are lazy.

Not lazy, they are cheap.

i just hope the world events for the next expansion dont completely SUCK and are the biggest let down ever like the joke of the cataclysm events were

Originally Posted by Truthahn

The blood elf paladin mount quest was not a level 60 endgame quest. It was a level 60 quest whereas level 70 was endgame.
The exorcism quest was also NOT a level 60 quest.
Did I mention the hammer allies got (get?) around level 20?
And so on.

You're complaining about the blood elf mount quest? That thing was a joke. Kill a few things in EPL. Kill a few things just inside Stratholme. I thought you were complaining about stuff that was actually difficult and or time consuming but you're complaining about the easy stuff. Give me a break.

It's not like you HAD to do that. You could of course just buy the mount skill at level 60 like your friends did if they couldn't be bothered to help (they obviously like complaining more).

If you're talking about the alliance hammer quest, every paladin I knew looked forward to it because it was a level 30 weapon that you could get a level 20 with a bit of help. Given how long it took to level then, it was worth every bit of effort.

BTW who the hell knew you were referring to the blood elf quests when you specifically mentioned warlock in the same breath which implied the original Scholomance/Dire Maul paladin quest?

Originally Posted by Truthahn

Oh come on, yeh, working on a legendary with a guild is the EXACT SAME THING as having a warlock specific class chain with some kind of epic at the end. THE EXACT SAME. Come on man, wake up.

Thanks. Yes, there's a difference between legendary quests and class quests. For one, except for the time sink or RNG aspect, nobody stops you from doing the legendary quest on all your toons. I'm raiding MC every week with two friends: We've built our second Thunderfury two months ago.

Originally Posted by Arganaut

... and added to that consider a lot of players don't give a shit about heroic modes.

Heroic Modes are the only thing that keep me from cancelling my sub.

Everything else is ridiculously faceroll in this game. If I can go 4/7 and almost 5/7 10man normal FL in a complete pug on my alt, with most DPS doing 14k then something is wrong.

Originally Posted by Cows For Life

You're complaining about the blood elf mount quest? That thing was a joke. Kill a few things in EPL. Kill a few things just inside Stratholme. I thought you were complaining about stuff that was actually difficult and or time consuming but you're complaining about the easy stuff. Give me a break.

If you're talking about the alliance hammer quest, every paladin I knew looked forward to it because it was a level 30 weapon that you could get a level 20 with a bit of help. Given how long it took to level then, it was worth every bit of effort.

Oh, I am sorry, I did not know that not all class quests count as class quests? Wait, what?

Also, yes, it was fun to have an item to look forward too, then again, having to do crappy shit like this while levelling (thus leaving your mates behind) was NEVER fun in my opinion.
Also, the only level 60 class chains I digged were the hunter and priest series, but again, SINGLE PLAYER ONLY (you know what I mean). Yay, two classes. How is that not a waste of time? Try giving me a reply on that, in stead of telling me what class quests I can and cannot complain about.


Class quests are a huge time sink, with all that money and effort wasted for a single run for just 1 class. And THAT is my real problem with class quests.
Why the hell would you make an investment like the DK starting zone for every single class? So we can all play trough it just once? That doesn't seem to be a very good model for an MMO.
This is the point, not whether I liked a single quest or not.

Originally Posted by Mekh

Thanks. Yes, there's a difference between legendary quests and class quests. For one, except for the time sink or RNG aspect, nobody stops you from doing the legendary quest on all your toons. I'm raiding MC every week with two friends: We've built our second Thunderfury two months ago.

Not many people get legendaries, especially not the current ones. Real raiders are not the majority, I would say more people did the class quests than raiders doing the legendary chains.
Get used to the fact that resources will be spent on something you do not care about, I haven't raided for ages now and yet Blizzard puts huge amount of resources into raiding and you wont see me complain.


You guys are just wannabe hardcore raiders demanding unique mounts, quests, items and when those damn scrubs get a freaking class quest you go "LOL USELESS". This is a mmoRPG, atmosphere and flavor play a huge part in this game.

Originally Posted by Baikalsan

Not many people get legendaries, especially not the current ones. Real raiders are not the majority, I would say more people did the class quests than raiders doing the legendary chains.
Get used to the fact that resources will be spent on something you do not care about, I haven't raided for ages now and yet Blizzard puts huge amount of resources into raiding and you wont see me complain.


You guys are just wannabe hardcore raiders demanding unique mounts, quests, items and when those damn scrubs get a freaking class quest you go "LOL USELESS". This is a mmoRPG, atmosphere and flavor play a huge part in this game.

I am just a dude who has fun with the game (yes, including raiding, but I come from a pvp background). All I am actually advocating, a point you seem to miss, is the part where this is a MMOrpg, working as a team and playing together play a huge part in this game. If you want to do stuff alone there are loads of quests and achievements and dailies out there. Wanna do epic single player quests? Just install Dragon Age or whatever it's name is.

Btw, while we are making assumptions, you are obviously one of those "turn wow into a single player game freaks". Bah. Get yourself a guild or make some friends on your realm, I achieved a lot of fun and met a few cool people that way over the years. THAT way you can play with others, and then you will no longer need a class quest.

Originally Posted by Truthahn

I am just a dude who has fun with the game (yes, including raiding, but I come from a pvp background). All I am actually advocating, a point you seem to miss, is the part where this is a MMOrpg, working as a team and playing together in stead of alone play a huge part in this game. Wanna do epic single player quests? Just install Dragon Age or whatever it's name is.

Btw, while we are making assumptions, you are obviously one of those "turn wow into a single player game freaks". Bah. Get yourself a guild or make some friends on your realm, I achieved a lot of fun and met a few cool people that way over the years. THAT way you can play with others, and then you will no longer need a class quest.

Blizzard redid all 1-60 content which is pretty much all solo except the dungeons. Blizzard also did Gilneas, which is completely pointless for non worgens or worgens above lvl 10.


Blizzard > you and stop acting like class quests take 10000 hours, Blizzard is just greedy which they have proves a lot during this expansion and 900k players agree.

Originally Posted by Baikalsan

Blizzard redid all 1-60 content which is pretty much all solo except the dungeons. Blizzard also did Gilneas, which is completely pointless for non worgens or worgens above lvl 10.


Blizzard > you and stop acting like class quests take 10000 hours, Blizzard is just greedy which they have proves a lot during this expansion and 900k players agree.

No need to tell me there is too much single player content in the game as it is man. You forgot about the goblin starting zone btw, which we cannot even reach. Then again, here we go AGAIN with the ZONES. We are discussing QUESTS here, are we not? How is a RACE starting zone the same as a SINGLE CLASS QUEST CHAIN. This cannot be THAT hard, is it now?
Those 900 are just the tards that yelled that WotLK was to easy and then quit because blizzard listened to them and made raiding and gearing "hard" again (turns out NOT feeding players epics makes them go QQ harder then giving them for free to them). These forums create a HUGE pile of hate (and always HAVE done that) towards the game, especially by people not even playing the game anymore (check the poll from a few days back!). Luckily Blizzard doesn't rely on this site only (altough I am sure that they read stuff), something you seem to do a tad too much.
See, I can make up facts too. Mine are better then yours though. That is a fact.
Well, who is right now? Me? Or you? Probably me.