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Raid Finder Coming in Patch 4.3
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We are working hard to introduce an exciting new feature to World of Warcraft in patch 4.3: the Raid Finder system. While it presents unprecedented technical hurdles and may change before it’s released, we wanted to provide you with an early look at what we hope to accomplish, and share some details that we’ve worked out, which will lend some insight as to how the new feature is planned to work.

So what is the Raid Finder? It will be a brand new grouping feature that superficially works much like the Dungeon Finder. Instead of five-player dungeons, the Raid Finder is designed to help players quickly and easily form a pick-up raid for a specially tuned version of the current tier of raid content: the Dragon Soul raid. It’s not intended to replace organized raiding though. You’ll still need friends and guild members to help you conquer the toughest raiding challenges that patch 4.3 has to offer.

As we currently plan to roll out the Raid Finder feature in patch 4.3, level-85 players will be able to use it to access a 25-player version of the Dragon Soul raid dungeon, which will culminate in a glorious battle against Deathwing himself. Dragon Soul will be split into three different difficulties. The Raid Finder provides access to a new tier of difficulty, which in this case has split the raid into two wings, each containing four boss encounters. Meanwhile, raiders will still need to join with friends and guildmates to face the more challenging normal and heroic versions of the raid, since the Raid Finder cannot be used to access those higher difficulty levels. Naturally, because they’re harder to defeat, the normal and heroic version of Dragon Soul will drop more powerful lootalong with prestigious rewards such as achievements, titles, and epic mounts. Rich rewards still await those who face the Raid Finder version, which we hope will introduce the thrills and epic experience of raiding to a broader audience than ever before.

You can access the Raid Finder through the ‘Raid’ button in the menu at the bottom of the default user interface. The Raid Finder should feel familiar to Dungeon Finder users. Just fire it up, select your class role, click the ‘Find Raid’ button, and get ready to face Deathwing’s jaw of doom.

FAQ

Q. Raids aren’t dungeons. Who will keep things organized?

A. A Raid Finder raid will require someone to queue as leader. The Raid Finder leader will have a very limited set of powers and cannot change loot type, nor do they have the ability to arbitrarily kick people from the raid. They do have the ability to mark targets and use /raid warning, and can promote other players to be leads as well. To be most successful, each Raid Finder group should have at least one leader who will explain the fights, assign raid markers, and make the tough calls, like who the main tank and off-tanks are.


Q. How will loot be distributed?

A. Automatic rolls and the Need Before Greed loot rules will apply in Raid Finder raids, just as they do in Dungeon Finder instances. Also, while Dungeon Finder raids aren’t locked, you are only eligible for loot from a boss once per week. This means that if you were present for the defeat of a boss, whether you receive loot or not, then you will automatically pass on loot that drops during later attempts on that boss during the same week.


Q. How will Raid Finder loot differ?

A. Loot acquired through the Raid Finder, including tier set pieces, will be of a lower item level than items acquired from normal or heroic mode versions of the Dragon Soul raid, and its appearance may differ. Also, there are certain items, as well as components for legendary weapons, which will not drop in Raid Finder raids. While individual bosses will not yield Valor Points as they would in other versions of the raid, you can still earn 250 Valor Points for beating the final boss in each wing of the instance.

Tier armor that drops in Raid Finder raids still provides set bonuses, and those bonuses are compatible with the higher item level versions of the armor available in the normal and heroic mode versions of the raid. None of these tier sets will be available for purchase from a vendor via Valor Points.


Q. Will there be an item level requirement to use the Raid Finder?

A. Yes, accessing raids via the Raid Finder will require that participating characters be level 85 and have attained a certain item level, to help ensure that they are prepared for the content they’ll be facing.


Q. Will the Raid Finder be cross-realm?

A. Yes, the Raid Finder will draw players from all realms. As with the Dungeon Finder, it will place some priority on grouping players from the same realm, though not at the cost of increased queue times.


Q. What kind of raid composition will the Raid Finder create?

A. Each Raid Finder raid will include two tanks, six healers, and seventeen damage dealers. As the raid is assembled, the Raid Finder will attempt to balance the group according to armor type, which should help ensure a healthy mix of melee and ranged dps.


Q. Why 25-player only?

A. A 25-player group is actually easier and faster to fill than a smaller group would be, and allows for greater flexibility in raid creation, all of which will help contribute to lower queue times. Also, 25-player raids are less subject to issues with composition or player connectivity.

The Raid Finder version of the Dragon Soul raid will be designed with pick-up raiding in mind. Normal and heroic difficulties will require the greater organization and teamwork found in guild raid groups.


Q. Will I get Call to Arms benefits when using the Raid Finder?

A. We don’t currently plan to apply Call to Arms benefits to the Raid Finder, though that may change in the future.


Q. Will I be locked to a raid I join through the Raid Finder?

A. Since the Raid Finder only offers access exclusively to a specially tuned version of the Dragon Soul raid instance, instance locks will not be enforced for that version. Instance locks will still be enforced for the normal and heroic versions of the raid.


Q. Can I queue with my friends in a party or raid?

A. Yes, you can queue for the Raid Finder individually, in a party, or in a raid. The Raid Finder can be a great tool to help fill those last few slots in a raid.


Q. I’m a dedicated raider with an organized group, what good is the Raid Finder to me?

A. Since instance locks aren’t in play, Raid Finder raids could provide a way for dedicated raiders to gear up alternate characters, fill gaps in their itemization, finish off elusive set bonuses, or just have some fun while preparing to face the normal or heroic version of the raid on the next reset.


Q. Why aren’t other raids available?

A. The Raid Finder is intended to help players experience the current tier of content.Also, many older raids don’t require a full complement of raiders, making the Raid Finder unnecessary. This is also the first rollout of the feature and we decided to start things simple, rather than potentially delay the feature’s introduction.

If the Raid Finder proves popular, more raid instances may be added to it in the future.


Q. Will Vote Kick still work in the Raid Finder?

A. Yes, though many of the same requirements and restrictions will be in place. For example, kicking too many times can result in a Vote Kick cooldown. Also, the thresholds are different, and several players will need to agree on kicking a candidate before the vote begins. Successful kick votes will require a significant number of Yes votes to pass.


Q. What happens if I leave a Raid Finder raid before it’s over?

A. Players who leave the Raid prematurely will receive a Deserter Debuff, though it will likely be of longer duration than the one applied to users of the Dungeon Finder. This debuff will only apply to the Raid Finder system.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Raid Finder Coming in Patch 4.3 started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 279 Comments
  1. Omedon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    people spilling tears constantly over the forums over players ninja rolling Need on off set gear?
    It is impossible to ninja loot in the dungeon finder, or the raid finder.

    Ninja looting involves grabbing loot outside the rules. It is impossible to break the rules of automated NBG. It's completely possible to snap the spirit of certain rulesets over one's knee in the dungeon finder, but if you go in not expecting that spirit to be present (which you should, in my opinion) and just look out for your two specs, expecting that everyone else is, it's a perfectly fair rules set.
  1. Anevers's Avatar
    Really curious to see if the 1 loot per boss per week will have any affect on people who roll need on offspec items.For example, Boss one drops a main spec item and an offspec item. Main Spec Item does not drop but the Offspec item does. You win the roll, and get the item. You queue up again later in the week and Boss 1 drops the Main Spec Item, you are unable to roll on it because you got the offspec item off that boss. Perhaps people will save their loot rolls for main specs, at least for a little while.
  1. Perished's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ap0calypse View Post
    I'm with you on this. It should be if you got loot off that boss, not if you got loot or not. This discourages people to use this after beating the raid once, even if they got 0 loot the whole run. Really disagree with this loot rule.
    Better then having people join the raid, kill the first boss, having their loot not drop, leave the raid and que again AND it makes people think twice about rolling on Offspec gear.
  1. Onshava's Avatar
    Agreed with pretty much everyone else. They need tighter restrictions on the loot system. I can just see raiders going crazy over loot rolls and grabbing stuff that's not their spec simply because they can't get anything else from that boss for the rest of the week. The bag of loot or not getting loot saved if you didn't receive gear would be ideal.
  1. Dakkomakko's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    The part of this that has me wondering is the part that says you get 250 valor for defeating the last boss of the wing.

    How many wings will Dragon Soul raid have, do we know?
    Think it was 2 wings.
  1. Omedon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Anevers View Post
    Really curious to see if the 1 loot per boss per week will have any affect on people who roll need on offspec items.For example, Boss one drops a main spec item and an offspec item. Main Spec Item does not drop but the Offspec item does. You win the roll, and get the item. You queue up again later in the week and Boss 1 drops the Main Spec Item, you are unable to roll on it because you got the offspec item off that boss. Perhaps people will save their loot rolls for main specs, at least for a little while.
    Expect everyone to have two specs, and to roll for both. If you queue without this understanding in place, you are silly, in my opinion.
  1. Jeean's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    The part of this that has me wondering is the part that says you get 250 valor for defeating the last boss of the wing.

    How many wings will Dragon Soul raid have, do we know?

    And

    Can we do this raid as often as we want ( not getting loot as per rules ) but still getting this nice amount of Valor per wing even if we have defeated it before?
    There will be 2 wing in dragon soul raid, and since we are only locked on loot, I think the Valor bonus is not capped at once by week.
  1. redruMPanda's Avatar
    This is going to be amazing they are taking 25 people from different realms and putting them in an easy mode raid it's not supposed to be about epic loots, achievements, or I'm better than you because I cleared this nah nah nah. This is for pure fun for the casual raider who never gets to clear content until it's old. I for one can't wait for this to go live.
  1. ccombustable's Avatar
    Just imagine, the biggest nightmere of this feature would be queing for a raid only to discover 50% of the group is from a latin amercian server and cant speak english.
  1. Ap0calypse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Perished View Post
    Better then having people join the raid, kill the first boss, having their loot not drop, leave the raid and que again. Imo
    Hmm, I dunno. The queue times for lfd are long enough to put people off doing that unless the group is full of idiots, or people wiping the raid on purpose. 250 VPs for completing the dungeon is a good incentive to stay and finish it and just queue again afterwards to get another shot at that boss. If they implement it as is it will be people will run the raid once, get no loot and think "why do it again for VPs I can get from 5 mans? I wont get any loot "
  1. Omedon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ccombustable View Post
    Just imagine, the biggest nightmere of this feature would be queing for a raid only to discover 50% of the group is from a latin amercian server and cant speak english.
    Holy cow... My condolences to those in part of the world where this can happen.
  1. Joels's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by KingHorse View Post
    For clarity:

    "Also, while Dungeon Finder raids aren’t locked, you are only eligible for loot from a boss once per week. This means that if you were present for the defeat of a boss, whether you receive loot or not, then you will automatically pass on loot that drops during later attempts on that boss during the same week."

    Meaning no loot twice on the same boss in raid finder obviously. But what about the same boss in regular or heroic? If you kill a boss in the RF and that weekend kill the boss on normal, are you ineligible for loot? Gonna have to log in to the WoW forums and ask >.<
    I'm pretty sure that the Looking for Raid and Regular/Heroic versions are completely seperate.

    The dungeon finder looks like its going to be awesome, I was skeptical at first thinking people could farm gear but its looking pretty awesome now. Can't wait.
  1. taheen74's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Omedon View Post
    It is impossible to ninja loot in the dungeon finder, or the raid finder.

    Ninja looting involves grabbing loot outside the rules. It is impossible to break the rules of automated NBG. It's completely possible to snap the spirit of certain rulesets over one's knee in the dungeon finder, but if you go in not expecting that spirit to be present (which you should, in my opinion) and just look out for your two specs, expecting that everyone else is, it's a perfectly fair rules set.

    The problem with this train of thought though, is how a majority of the community views these things. Bliz needs to realize that a majority of raiders use some sort of Main spec before Offspec before AH/disenchant spec system. This is to ensure their raiders gear up the specs they are using first.

    For example, I play a shammy and we have an enhance shammy in our raid group. Now if we all went by the way Blizzard sees things, no one would be able to actual gear up the spec they are fulfilling for the raid first. This is turn would make people have to spend who knows how long until the whole group actually has the gear they need for their main specs.

    Think outside the box on something before you go on with the whole: It is impossible to ninja loot in the dungeon finder, or the raid finder. Think on why someone would make such a statement before going that route.
  1. Ssateneth's Avatar
    Will running a raid finder raid lock me out of normal raids I would do with my guild? Also will running raid finder lock me out of loot from normal raids I'd do from my guild too? Lastly, vice versa: Will running normal raid with my guild lock me out of raid finder, and will killing a boss in a normal raid lock me out of loot on the raid finder boss?
  1. CrunkJuice5's Avatar
    it will place some priority on grouping players from the same realm
    so what about the people who dont want to group with people from there own realm because there own realm is bad when it comes to raiding
  1. xskarma's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeean View Post
    There will be 2 wing in dragon soul raid, and since we are only locked on loot, I think the Valor bonus is not capped at once by week.
    Splendid, so this will be a very legitimate and fun way to earn you weekly cap, which ensures that lots of good raiders have incentive to use it too, which ensures more able people in the LFR, at least in the beginning. I foresee untold masses to queue for it when it comes out and try and get a headstart on their tier set.

    I know I will be
  1. Mort459's Avatar
    Seriously stoked to try it out. Hopefully 10 people from the same guild queuing together should make the group successful most of the time. I have to imagine it will. Initial gearing + Alt raids just got a lot easier!
  1. Lplatehealer's Avatar
    i can see this failing hard. auto pass on loot even if u dont win and need before greed? everyone is gonna roll need regardless if they can
  1. Canca's Avatar
    My only concern is the raid of 10-20 guildies that join, need roll on everything and then trade the loot among themselves. Hopefully there will be something in place to help stop that.
  1. balgus82's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Anevers View Post
    Really curious to see if the 1 loot per boss per week will have any affect on people who roll need on offspec items.For example, Boss one drops a main spec item and an offspec item. Main Spec Item does not drop but the Offspec item does. You win the roll, and get the item. You queue up again later in the week and Boss 1 drops the Main Spec Item, you are unable to roll on it because you got the offspec item off that boss. Perhaps people will save their loot rolls for main specs, at least for a little while.
    the article said you're locked out weither you get loot or not. So you might as well roll on the offspec piece.

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