New in 4.3: Inactive Guild Leader Replacement

Originally Posted by Rackfu

1) If someone is injured bad enough that they have to spend 30 days in the hospital, their WoW guild is probably the last thing they should be worrying about

2) No offense against our soldiers, but if you are on active duty oversees with foreseeable periods of time away from the game, you probably should not be the GM of a guild.

Wrong attitude. Just because RL happens, doesn't mean someone should pass their, basically time and money spent, over to someone else. This improved system may fix some cases but not all.

Originally Posted by AVPaul

Great idea, Blizzard. So if I'll decide to take some rest from Wow for a long time period I'll have to kick all of my guild members.

LOL you are exactly the kind of person this change is supposed to address - the GL that thinks a guild is his property and only he should be entitled to all the benefits of it.

WOW you guys have little faith in your guild members. Not very good guild leader attitude imo.People in your highest ranks like officers etc should be people that you trust and can depend on. I am sure once you come back they would just give your leadership back. I know my officers would. Also if you guys think ppl are so terrible to abuse things and you have no faith in them then you are no better for inviting them to your guilds just to use them to lvl your own up.

Originally Posted by lolipopp

LOL very stupid idea that is going to be abused A LOT !!!

Yeah, its gonna be abused by people who have a GM who doesn't give a shit about them. Did you even think your comment through, because it makes absolutely ZERO sense ?

Its really disturbing to read all the socalled 'Guild Masters' who are afraid to loose THEIR guild. If it really was YOUR guild, you would care more about its members than your own personal ego. Any sane GM will understand that if you are not online, you cannot stay in power.

People who are moaning about this, are moaning like it's something new as a whole. The system for this is already in place, but just needs a Game Master ticket put in. All this does is take away the means for a ticket to be placed. The guild belongs to everyone that is in the guild, not just the GM. If the GM leaves the guild without leadership for a month, then they deserve to replace the leadership and get on with the game without him/her.

there needs to be some sort of option if your guild leader is an incompetent idiot to have a mutiny option!!!!

I've got all my alts to the highest possible rank in the Guild, which I lead. Would this make my alts the only possible characters who could be eligible? If so, then the system would not be all that effective for people who do it like this (and I know more people have this setup with their Guilds)

So is the new leader chosen at random or can you choose who you trust enough to be the guild master?

It's a great change, don't get me wrong. But I suspect the true agenda behind this is that now a guild master of any guild, no matter what they do and how small it is and if it's a leveling or raiding guild have to keep paying for game time if they want to keep their guild. More subscribers!

Originally Posted by Kuja

Hmm.. More reasons for players to keep subbed to the game. No login in 30 days, no guild for j00. Shame on you blizzard Not that I'm against it. My alt is in a decent guild too but none of the officers or leader has logged in... in like 4 months?

Actually, it was already possible for officers to replace the GM, by simply posting a message to a Game master.

So, it's nothing new, just made "easier".

More one-size-fits-all community tools coming right up... I'm not sure how I really feel about the fact that this is apparently already the way things worked - we just had to usurp via a GM ticket previously - but this'll be the first time a massive portion of the player base is actually made clearly aware of the rules of the system.

Originally Posted by NokOnAM

a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state. sounds like communism to me bud

If the system meticulously distributed the contents of the guild bank to each member equally, that would be communism.

The current system is not communism. Even the previous system was not communism, it was... First person to ticket wins, or, anarchy.

This new system is not communism.

I love all the guilds I'm reading about here that have so little trust between members.

Oh good lord.

Well, they are still the guild master or guild leader, just not guild owner, because no character has ever technically owned any guild in WoW.

If you could disband a guild at any time for any reason, "technically" it is impossible for you to say that the GM did NOT own it. If you can destroy it, you own it. Unfortunately, this is another Cataclysm change that snuck past a lot of people when they made any guild over Level 3 effectively immortal. As far as I know, you cannot even leave a guild if you are the last member of it, e.g. the GM.

This service already virutally exists, except that it is done via a ticket and a GM takes care of it. All this feature does is remove the need to get a GM involved.Seriously, people who think this is some huge deal really need to get over themselves.

This line of reasoning is asinine. The amount of people who knew about the process beforehand was tiny, and the people who knew about it AND was willing to put in the ticket was smaller still. By making it automated, it will trigger 100% of the time, increasing the incidents of this occurrence across the board. It is the difference between someone putting in a ticket about offensive language vs Blizzard introducing an auto-offensive language detector.

As for why it is a huge deal, what everyone seems to take for granted is that people the GM trusted to be officers (etc) will still care about a guild likely in disrepair. As a GM, I quit WoW two months ago after most of the people I knew stopped playing... but I may be back eventually. In the meantime, whoever is still in the dead guild will automatically become the de facto GM and have unlimited access to the guild bank, even if no one trusted them with access beforehand. Why would they have any "loyalty" to the dead guild? They probably wouldn't. So, whoops, there went the accumulated wealth of the guild as though we handed Loot Master to a ninja looter. Maybe I should have looted and kicked everyone before I stopped logging in?

This is to say nothing about having 5 officers, and the most unscrupulous one decide to act out their hostile takeover fantasies simply because they clicked the button first. Yeah, we trusted him... back when everything was going peachy and everyone had a reason to help each other.

The guild belongs to everyone that is in the guild, not just the GM.

This argument is so ridiculous I'm embarrassed that more than one person is using it. If the guild belonged to "everyone," then one person wouldn't be able to unilaterally /gkick you out for whatever reason they felt like. One person would not be able to dictate your bank or guild repair access. Hell, one person can literally silence your voice in /g on a whim by toggling permissions. This has zero to do with collective ownership of an organization, and everything to do with Blizzard having painted themselves into a corner by introducing Guild Leveling/Rep in an expansion that has lost them nearly one million subscriptions thus far.

The implementation of this definitely looks open to abuse. I know a lot of guild leaders don't have their "main" character as GM and could get caught out by this. If a GM has other characters in the guild then the 30 days should apply once across all those characters, so if they log a non-GM character it resets their 30 days.

For a legit guild that has a guildleader go MIA, I can totally see how this will streamline the process of stepping up if they've locked stuff and things need to be changed. I've been aware of people being able to petition to get the guild leadership transferred over since before TBC, but it's not something I think that needs to happen often.

The reason why I'm not thrilled at this? My boyfriend had a bankalt guild that we moved into before the start of Cata when we quit our hardcore raiding guild. It was really only us for a long time but then Cata rolled around and we decided to start our own raiding group with friends. We raided for 3-4 months before we lost core members and got sick of recruiting and thus the guild 'died'. Most of the old raiders are still in the guild, but hardly ever log on. The guild has 7 tabs, 6 tabs which is stuff that is specifically mine and the boyfriend's. Mats of all different sorts, flasks that /we/ bought the guild with our own gold before the guild had money. There's still 40k gold in there from our raiding days and everyone who raided still gets free repairs, so if they log on and play, they get that along with the guild perks.

But here's the thing. My b/f likes to quit for a month, or months at a time. It really hasn't been an issue before if he leaves, as I'm an officer with all the power that I need to fiddle with stuff. But what happens if we both take a break? That level 25 guild, that we pretty much solo leveled with the help of 1-2 other guildies, can be stolen from us, and the new guildleader can start kicking everyone out. This. I do not like. That means, if I cancel my account, I will make sure to kick every old raider out of the guild... which sucks. Because I like them but do I trust them with the 40k gold just sitting there? Or the 6 tabs of mats that the guild didn't contribute to in the least? No, I really don't. And yet I refuse to leave with the risk of someone I raided with 6 months ago taking over with a click of a button if the boy and I both take a break. The only other option is to make several other bankalts, create guilds for them, and clean out our current guild bank. Which is another pain in the butt since almost all of my characters are 85 and I enjoy the perks that I worked so hard to earn with each one of them.

I used to enjoy inviting random friends, or friends of friends, to enjoy the perks of a level 25 guild. And now I can basically be punished for being nice if we decide to take a break. Lovely. :/

Originally Posted by laserguns

The implementation of this definitely looks open to abuse. I know a lot of guild leaders don't have their "main" character as GM and could get caught out by this. If a GM has other characters in the guild then the 30 days should apply once across all those characters, so if they log a non-GM character it resets their 30 days.

It isn't a very hard thing to promote the character you are playing most to GM. I know, i'm blown away too...

Originally Posted by Nastified

How is this difficult to test? Have 20 Blizz employees create 5 guilds each. Log in on first day, none thereafter. Then log in on officer toons inside each respective guild every day thereafter, to maintain activity. They DO want to test this, right?

I didn't bother looking through the whole thread to see if anyone had replied to this, however they're not saying it's hard for them to test. they're saying it'll be harder for those on the PTR to test - mainly due to it requiring someone to be inactive on the PTR for 30 days, which generally isn't very likely.

I dont know where you live but in sweden we have 5 weeks vacation a year. And that is 35 days so 30 days is to short. I know ppl that even have longer vacations than that so its not impossible to be away for more than 30 days.

Maybe around 40-45 days would be better.

I tested this function on PTR a few days ago (with the 4.2 PTR guild my old char was still in), it worked perfectly.