MMO-Champion - New in 4.3: Inactive Guild Leader Replacement
New in 4.3: Inactive Guild Leader Replacement
Originally Posted by Lylirra (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
In the event that a guild leader takes a leave of absence and remains inactive for an extended period of time, it can be difficult for some guilds to carry on as normal. To help assist with these situations, we're introducing a new system in patch 4.3 known as "inactive guild leader replacement" that will allow players of the appropriate rank to take over leadership of a guild from an inactive guild leader via the Guild tab.

The way inactive guild leader replacement works is pretty straightforward. If a guild leader’s character is inactive for 30 days, a notification will appear in the Guild News & Events feed which can only be seen by guild members who are eligible to become the new guild leader. To determine eligibility, the game will look for the highest ranked character in the guild that's logged on in the past week, and any guild member from that rank will be able to request guild leadership simply by clicking on the notification.

As with many actions in World of Warcraft, clicking on the notification will open up a confirmation window which, once accepted, will transition leadership from the inactive guild leader to the first player to request leadership. If guild leadership is changed, the old guild leader will be notified via email to his or her registered Battle.net address. While some players may need to log out and back in before their Guild tab will visually update, the change in leadership will be immediate, with all ranks and permissions remaining in-tact.

Please note that if you're an active leader of a guild, this system should not affect you or your guild. The goal of inactive guild leader replacement is simply to allow guilds which have found themselves without leadership for a long period of time to resolve the situation on their own without the need to contact our In-Game Support department.

Inactive guild leader replacement is currently live on the PTR, but keep in mind that it may be difficult to test, as a guild leader will need to be inactive for a full 30 days before the option to transition leadership will become available.
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  1. Fastlane_hellscream's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by laserguns View Post
    The implementation of this definitely looks open to abuse. I know a lot of guild leaders don't have their "main" character as GM and could get caught out by this. If a GM has other characters in the guild then the 30 days should apply once across all those characters, so if they log a non-GM character it resets their 30 days.
    It isn't a very hard thing to promote the character you are playing most to GM. I know, i'm blown away too...
  1. Gibbz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nastified View Post
    How is this difficult to test? Have 20 Blizz employees create 5 guilds each. Log in on first day, none thereafter. Then log in on officer toons inside each respective guild every day thereafter, to maintain activity. They DO want to test this, right?
    I didn't bother looking through the whole thread to see if anyone had replied to this, however they're not saying it's hard for them to test. they're saying it'll be harder for those on the PTR to test - mainly due to it requiring someone to be inactive on the PTR for 30 days, which generally isn't very likely.
  1. Novembius's Avatar
    I dont know where you live but in sweden we have 5 weeks vacation a year. And that is 35 days so 30 days is to short. I know ppl that even have longer vacations than that so its not impossible to be away for more than 30 days.

    Maybe around 40-45 days would be better.
  1. Maklor's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Novembius View Post
    I dont know where you live but in sweden we have 5 weeks vacation a year. And that is 35 days so 30 days is to short. I know ppl that even have longer vacations than that so its not impossible to be away for more than 30 days.

    Maybe around 40-45 days would be better.
    I'm not sure if you're an adult but if you were working you would know that you can't actually take all the days at the same time.
  1. Raphtheone's Avatar
    I tested this function on PTR a few days ago (with the 4.2 PTR guild my old char was still in), it worked perfectly.
  1. Topp's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor View Post
    I'm not sure if you're an adult but if you were working you would know that can't actually take all the days at the same time.
    Ofc u can. Its totally up to u and your company to work out your vacation schedule.
  1. Maklor's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Topp View Post
    Ofc u can. Its totally up to u and your company to work out your vacation schedule.
    Sure but in the real world it's not that simple, most places it isn't possible and you can't demand it.
  1. tcith's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor View Post
    Sure but in the real world it's not that simple, most places it isn't possible and you can't demand it.
    Not sure what awful palce you work but depending on role and employment contract our staff get between 4 and 6 weeks leave per annum, it is more common than not to take all the leave at the same time, or even put this years and part of next years back to back - I have had 5 or 6 staff in the past 12 months take more than 6 weeks leave ina single block

    Sorry but in the real world this sort of thing is common, just not in your world
  1. Maklor's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by tcith View Post
    Not sure what awful palce you work but depending on role and employment contract our staff get between 4 and 6 weeks leave per annum, it is more common than not to take all the leave at the same time, or even put this years and part of next years back to back - I have had 5 or 6 staff in the past 12 months take more than 6 weeks leave ina single block

    Sorry but in the real world this sort of thing is common, just not in your world
    Again it's not the total amount of vacation I mean, it's how much of it you take at the time.

    No, it's common to take around 3-4 weeks in the summer and the rest through-out the year.
  1. Grail's Avatar
    Another money grab by Blizzard. Scare GMs into not taking breaks, and automate this "service" so Activision can fire a few more customer service people. I don't think Blizzard understands the value of a figurehead or symbolic leader. I've built a community over the course of 6 years, and tailored it to a place people want to be. I've provided an ad free website and Ventrilo all that time to bring added value to the organization. I've got good officers, but they're good at raid leading, recruiting, website management, and other specific areas. Not all of them are fit to make the big calls on overall policy, and some have shortcomings to go with their strongpoints that would make it an outright disaster. If our temperamental raid leader was to get control of the whole kit and kaboodle, it wouldn't be long before a guild with over 125 accounts ceased to be a hospitable and recognizable environment for many of the members. Turning a 6 year old organization that's been rock steady for people on its head by ousting the founder and chief of guild philosophy is a sure way to help usher many of those accounts into cancellation, since community is what's really keeping some of these hangers on around, as WoW continues to decline due to staleness and bad corporate and developer decisions.
  1. breath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor View Post
    Again it's not the total amount of vacation I mean, it's how much of it you take at the time.

    No, it's common to take around 3-4 weeks in the summer and the rest through-out the year.
    I don't see where the problem is. First of all, you have the chance to take over the GM it's not auto. Also you can always make the GM back to his rank when he is back. The problem is that you could need some of the GM features, and seriously even 30 days to me seems a lot, maybe too much. My only concern about this is how will this work with alts chars or chars on other realms.
  1. Cipero's Avatar
    To ANYONE saying they will g-kick their entire guild if and when they decide to take a break from the guild: you are a horrible guild leader and nobody should want to be led by the likes of you anyway. You should have the decency to at least tell your guildies that you plan to do this out of selfishness. I mean how selfish can you get? To openly admit you'd rather disband your whole guild rather than allow someone else to take leadership is quite apparent of how horrible of a leader you are.
  1. Kamata's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Grail View Post
    If our temperamental raid leader was to get control of the whole kit and kaboodle, it wouldn't be long before a guild with over 125 accounts ceased to be a hospitable and recognizable environment for many of the members. Turning a 6 year old organization that's been rock steady for people on its head by ousting the founder and chief of guild philosophy is a sure way to help usher many of those accounts into cancellation, since community is what's really keeping some of these hangers on around, as WoW continues to decline due to staleness and bad corporate and developer decisions.
    Try passing lead to someone that you know will give it back when you get back from vacation. If you can't trust anyone with that, then maybe those officers shouldn't be officers.
  1. ghostprotocol's Avatar
    What happens if the 2nd in line does not take it? I'm in a guild with friends and the guild leader is away from the game for an extended period of time. It does not affect us in anyway and a few of us who know the GL in real life are officers. I don't think either of us will take control away from the GL but what happens if we do not act? Will a lower ranked member be able to take control?
  1. splashattack's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Grail View Post
    Another money grab by Blizzard. Scare GMs into not taking breaks, and automate this "service" so Activision can fire a few more customer service people. I don't think Blizzard understands the value of a figurehead or symbolic leader. I've built a community over the course of 6 years, and tailored it to a place people want to be. I've provided an ad free website and Ventrilo all that time to bring added value to the organization. I've got good officers, but they're good at raid leading, recruiting, website management, and other specific areas. Not all of them are fit to make the big calls on overall policy, and some have shortcomings to go with their strongpoints that would make it an outright disaster. If our temperamental raid leader was to get control of the whole kit and kaboodle, it wouldn't be long before a guild with over 125 accounts ceased to be a hospitable and recognizable environment for many of the members. Turning a 6 year old organization that's been rock steady for people on its head by ousting the founder and chief of guild philosophy is a sure way to help usher many of those accounts into cancellation, since community is what's really keeping some of these hangers on around, as WoW continues to decline due to staleness and bad corporate and developer decisions.

    Don't blame Blizzard because your officers are inadequate. The system is designed to stop guild stagnating because 1 person decides to bugger off for an extended period of time and not tell anyone.
    If you're a good guild leader with a good team of officers, leaving someone else in charge should be no problem. If you don't have players or friends like that you can trust, then it's time to perhaps look at permissions and ranks in your guild.

    It's dead simple, if you're going to be away for more than 30 days you let your guild know. Anyone can access the internet from almost anywhere. If it's a serious guild then you should have guild forums or a method of contacting your officers outside of the game. "Oh buy what if i'm in hospital" .... Then get a grip, your guild is the last thing you should be worrying about.


    Blizzard fully understand the importance of the Guild Leader. You're there to lead, set examples and manage your guild. If you can't be that person they're making it clear that the people who should be looking up to you for guidance now have a say in weather you're doing a decent job or not. If people want to be the big cheese they have to accept the responsibility of properly running the guild, a massive part of that means having proper coverage in any period of extended absence. In your example you don't trust the officers to make the "big calls" so what happens when you're afk for a month or 2? That's right nothing, nada, zilch. The guild just sits there with no one taking responsibility. The issues raised don't get delt with and when you come back you have either a shit storm to deal with or a good few guild members missing due to lack or action.


    Another money grab? - Pul-ease. If you're not maintaining a on going subscription month to month as a guild leader then you don't really give a dam what happens to the guild then do you?
    This will also help stop the scumbag guild "leaders" who make leveling guilds with an alt, just to log in and skim the guild bank every so often with all the money that's been dumped in it from players' doing quests.
  1. Nian's Avatar
    Oh I can already see how this will be "exploited" a lot... You have a problem paying for subscription for 1 month ? = no more guild for you Greedy Blizz. But I wonder if this 30days offline counter counts the Battlenet account or the actual character?
  1. Dilbert's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ghostprotocol View Post
    What happens if the 2nd in line does not take it? I'm in a guild with friends and the guild leader is away from the game for an extended period of time. It does not affect us in anyway and a few of us who know the GL in real life are officers. I don't think either of us will take control away from the GL but what happens if we do not act? Will a lower ranked member be able to take control?
    If I read this correctly (and fix it if I'm wrong):
    The system NOW - someone can be given GM even if they didn't ask for it, if someone else reported the GM afk for 30 days.
    The system COMING - You only are given if you're online and agree. If you're not online or don't agree, it will be given to someone else.

    ---------- Post added 2011-10-01 at 05:13 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Nian View Post
    Oh I can already see how this will be "exploited" a lot... You have a problem paying for subscription for 1 month ? = no more guild for you Greedy Blizz. But I wonder if this 30days offline counter counts the Battlenet account or the actual character?
    If you're not online, or have quit the game, you're no longer leading the guild. You can't lead the guild if you don't play the game. If you're not leading the guild, you shouldn't be the guild leader. How hard is that?
  1. Kaeso's Avatar
    I've never ever posted on these forums, but with this feature incoming I really wanted to give my opinion about it.

    Let me first explain my situation, i'm running a ten man raiding guild and we raid for three days per week. However we never raid the whole year, we basicly raid for some months and when we've cleared most of the content or when we feel like it's enough again, we stop playing and switch to another game for some time. Then when new content gets released, or when we simply feel like it, we get back to raiding. My raid group consists of mostly irl friends, so that's why we're capable of easily starting the raids back up again.

    The periods where we stop playing usually take around longer then 30 days. So basicly what will happen now, the guildleader, officers and raiders will be inactive for 30 days and a social rank or friend of a raider who logs in after that period can simply take over the whole guild, since he's the highest rank logged in. This means that a random member that has put no effort or very little in the guild, just got a free guild. And all of the people that worked really hard building the guild up, lose everything they've worked for. Since most of the guildmembers are irl friends, we also have holidays together and most of the times these holidays take longer then 30 days. Basicly all the people I trust to take over the guild, officers and some raiders are simply inactive during the same period.

    If this system launches I get forced to either kick everyone from the guild that I don't trust to take over the guild or I need to keep paying subscription, while i'm not even playing, to log in, to make sure the inactive guild doesn't move to a random raider friend or social rank, that can take over the whole guild and all it's valuable items.

    As you can hopefully understand out of my story, this system does not work for our guild. I hope they really reconsider this feature.
  1. greyghost's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Howdyho View Post
    It's a great change, don't get me wrong. But I suspect the true agenda behind this is that now a guild master of any guild, no matter what they do and how small it is and if it's a leveling or raiding guild have to keep paying for game time if they want to keep their guild. More subscribers!
    The true agenda for this is the same for the feature of BOP items being tradeable for 2 hours after aquiring them from a boss: less people using the GM Petitions.

    Unfortunately, this means that GMs are going to be far less willing to assist people in the event that their guild leadership vanishes and they're unable to get a successful resolution for guild control if, say, the person who manages to become GuildLeader first completely shuts down access to the guild bank / takes the money for himself, ect.

    So yanno, this will work out fine for guilds ran by responsible adults that trust each other. Not so much for guilds with antisocial/powertripping officers that were only tolerated or kept around by the guildleader because it's his cousin's kid or he thought the guy was funny.
  1. Dilbert's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaeso View Post
    If this system launches I get forced to either kick everyone from the guild that I don't trust to take over the guild or I need to keep paying subscription, while i'm not even playing, to log in, to make sure the inactive guild doesn't move to a random raider friend or social rank, that can take over the whole guild and all it's valuable items.
    What you seem to misunderstand is that this system has been in effect ALL ALONG. At any point, once you have been offline for 30 days, that social member had the ability to request to be made GM. That has not changed. The only difference is that is being handle in-game without the need to submit a ticket.

    If you trust your social member to not attempt to take over the guild, then you have nothing to worry about, and don't need to overreact by kicking people.

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