Patch 4.3 Valor Changes
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
With the 4.3 patch we'll be introducing some changes to the way Valor Points (VP) are obtained, as well as the items that they can purchase.

Changes coming in 4.3:


  • Looking for Dungeon — 150 VP per run, with a cap of seven runs per week. All Cataclysm heroic dungeons introduced in 4.0, 4.1, and 4.3, will provide 150 Valor per run.
  • Looking for Raid — 250 VP per run, with a cap of 500 per week. The 4.3 raid, Dragon Soul, will be split into two separate raids for the Raid Finder. While individual bosses do not drop Valor when using the Raid Finder, you will receive 250 Valor for completing each Dragon Soul raid. Each boss will only drop loot for you once per week, but you will continue to get the 250 Valor for completing each Raid Finder raid, up to the 500 cap.
  • 10 player raid boss — 115 VP. There are nine bosses per week, counting Baradin Hold.
  • 25 player raid boss — 135 VP. There are nine bosses per week, counting Baradin Hold.
  • Valor Points cap at 1000 per week.

As you acquire Valor you'll want to spend it, and vendors will be offering a wide range of items to equip you to take on the Dragon Soul raid encounters, including cloaks, rings, ranged weapons, necklaces, trinkets, chest pieces, helms, gloves, bracers, boots, and belts, all of which are ilvl 397.

Our goal with these changes is to move Valor back to the original intent of currency rewards as a consolation prize, for two main reasons: to make it less frustrating when you keep having bad luck getting an item you want from a particular boss, and to help encourage you to keep fighting bosses (and helping out the rest of your group) even if that particular boss didn’t drop anything for your character in particular. Over time we have also offered Valor as a reward for doing other activities (such as participating in Heroic 5-player dungeons) to provide players something to do on an off night or when they couldn’t raid.

In the past we have offered some tier pieces on the Valor vendor for players that just couldn’t justify the time or logistics necessary to participate in raids, but we’re hoping that the introduction of the Raid Finder tool helps remove that barrier. We think most players would agree that killing a giant monster and looting its corpse is more exciting than slowly farming a currency to purchase a reward. Currencies have their place, but we want them to be a secondary avenue of progression to boss killing.

While the Raid Finder will provide a lower difficulty for the Dragon Soul raids, and thus a lower ilvl of gear, the normal 10 and 25 raids will drop ilvl 397, with the final Deathwing encounters dropping ilvl 403. For the Heroic version, 10 and 25 will drop ilvl 410, and the Heroic Deathwing encounters will drop ilvl 416 loot.

As we near the release of 4.3 we’ll be posting everything you need to know about the Valor to Justice down-conversion process, so stay tuned.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 4.3 Valor Changes started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 194 Comments
  1. mmocd0826a5fa6's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xingu View Post
    So, see Blizzard, you are doing it wrong. And surely I am not the only one who thinks no tier helm/shoulders for valor points is a bad idea.
    Aye. I am a druid and i am starting to feel awkward when downing FL normal token boses in our 10man group, it's always druid token. And since we have no DKs and rogues, me and our mage are already in 5/5 while many still dont have 4/5 ffs.
    RNG in FL raids are completely screwed. And IMO there should be 2 tier tokens per boss in 10mans and 4 in 25mans.

    @herpookybear
    Okay, it's 1050 actually, so you lose 50.
  1. Mahagony's Avatar
    So basically the Lootsystem breaks down like this: Valor can help you out if you´re frustrated over that one piece of Loot that just wont drop in NORMAL mode. Buf if you´re raiding heroic, it wont, because obviously 410 will be better than 397 and you will still want the 410 Piece for that slot. And if that Items just wont drop, you´re screwed and pissed off. Given the Fact that the Bosses seem to have an even wider spread Loot-Table (what with all the random set-drops that are supposed to replace t13) you´re propably going to wait for that 1 Piece for ages. Our guild has killed Baleroc heroic 12 times now. We´ve had 8 Drops of the completely useless Cloth-Shoulders that not a single class in the game wants or even considers useful. Still our 4 Casters still wait for the Trinket to drop. How about you find a solution to ease THIS frustration, Blizzard? How about upgradeable Valor-Stuff?
  1. mmoc717ed4d7e2's Avatar
    150*7=1050. Means 50 will be likely be converted to JP on-the-fly when you complete the 7th hc, or whichever of them happens to push you over the cap.The intention is obviously to have a more sensible number as the weekly cap, instead of the weird "980" cap we have right now.If for some reason you're very peculiar about maximizing valor acquisition efficiency and aren't raiding the normal/heroic bosses (be it social, alt, or whatever reason you have), 1 dragon soul LFR raid and 5 heroic 5m dungeons will put you at precisely 1k valor.
  1. mmoccdcfc5f8d6's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcis View Post
    Aye. I am a druid and i am starting to feel awkward when downing FL normal token boses in our 10man group, it's always druid token.
    Consider yourself lucky. My guild got precisely ONE druid token during Tier 11 and it is the least dropped token during Tier 12.

    And I'm a druid -.-

    Warrior/Hunter/Shaman is the one that drops 6 out of 10 times for us, with Paladin/Priest/Warlock dropping 3 out of 10 (rough numbers). We have two hunters in full Tier 12, two shamans with 4p bonuses in TWO specs... and then there's me, who's still rocking a measly 2set bonus.
  1. Azidonis's Avatar
    "As you acquire Valor you'll want to spend it, and vendors will be offering a wide range of items to equip you to take on the Dragon Soul raid encounters, including cloaks, rings, ranged weapons, necklaces, trinkets, chest pieces, helms, gloves, bracers, boots, and belts, all of which are ilvl 397." No shoulders, of course. Of all the things to give us, one of the few things we are forced to see is shoulders. Why not let us get shoulders and leave out chest or something?
  1. Airath's Avatar
    The reason for the caps is obvious: artificial extension of the "content". They need you to play 6+ months per "content" patch instead of completing everything in 1-2 months and then unsubbing till next patch.
  1. Captinawsome's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tybudd33 View Post
    Why would they post this without letting us know the iLvL for gear drops in the new 5 mans, and in the Raid finder version of Dragon Souls, if they have the top tier ilvl's figured out, anything lower should be easy to smooth out.
    They have. New dungeons will drop 378 item lvl loot
  1. Zephyr Storm's Avatar
    What Blizzard REALLY needs to do is figure out something better than RNG on loot drops. I know it's been said a thousand times, but it's true. RNG is archaic in this day and age. For example, it's just plain stupid when you down a boss and say it drops plate gear, and everyone in the group can only wear mail or lower (feral tank in the group obviously). How about instead of saying,"Oh that's RNG for you, better luck next time", they actually implement a system that tracks what kinds of classes (and maybe even specs) that are currently present in your group and have loot drop according to that? Makes a shit ton more sense to me, than seeing the same damn piece of loot drop, week after week after week, that everyone in your group keeps passing on because no one needs it. It really becomes ridiculous when it takes you half or more of a patch to get even MINOR upgrades for yourself because of RNG. Fix RNG Blizzard, and you will have fixed the loot issue. /nuff said
  1. Ylera's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcis View Post
    Aye. I am a druid and i am starting to feel awkward when downing FL normal token boses in our 10man group, it's always druid token. And since we have no DKs and rogues, me and our mage are already in 5/5 while many still dont have 4/5 ffs.
    RNG in FL raids are completely screwed. And IMO there should be 2 tier tokens per boss in 10mans and 4 in 25mans.

    @herpookybear
    Okay, it's 1050 actually, so you lose 50.
    To be fair they have said that they're gonna make token drops less random in the new raid.
  1. rejer13's Avatar
    So I don't like raiding means i have to be in crap gear forever. Elitism on its best again. Does blizzard dont know only 15% raids ?
  1. mmoc49efe580e8's Avatar
    this is why i dont raid and havent raided since vanilla. The whole points system is just confusing. There are different sorts of points with multiple vendors then you have the different pvp points and vendors - its just a mess.Just make 1 form of currency and leave it at that without any cap.
  1. mmoc8eb592856e's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Thestalos View Post
    Stop putting caps on things... If people want to farm currency, let them.
    Ofc they put cap. Imagine ppl grinding 1-3 months and then un-sub. Thats a big financial loss. Some ppl just dont remember that atleast since the merge with Activison every single move they have made is based 100% on money. Before the merge that was the case too, but not in that great extent what its now.
  1. mmoc901e5959a9's Avatar
    I would much more prefer it if they would let go off that currency point system... i can't count the times i heard, na i allready get the vendor item , so plz disenchant! making most of the starter bosses loot totally irrelevant. Sure I bought stuff with it but it never felt good just "now i got 1200 points safed lets buy a necklace yay". Better let more of the same item type drop (e.g. two tank plate shoulders over the raid) or more loot overall per boss.
  1. mmoc0b3cb0c063's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by rejer13 View Post
    So I don't like raiding means i have to be in crap gear forever. Elitism on its best again. Does blizzard dont know only 15% raids ?
    Way to miss the scope of the patch.

    1) They're making VP give you more replacement options, not fewer
    2) If you don't intend to raid, there's no content for you where the set bonuses are remotely needed
    3) Were those 15% conjured out of thin air, or do you have a source to go along with it?
  1. mmoc8eb592856e's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachtobi View Post
    Way to miss the scope of the patch.

    1) They're making VP give you more replacement options, not fewer
    2) If you don't intend to raid, there's no content for you where the set bonuses are remotely needed
    3) Were those 15% conjured out of thin air, or do you have a source to go along with it?
    I think he was just trolling bout elitism. Relax dude. I'd say atlest 20% of comments here are written just for fun to make some ppl anggry!
  1. Yalingo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by rejer13 View Post
    So I don't like raiding means i have to be in crap gear forever. Elitism on its best again. Does blizzard dont know only 15% raids ?
    If you don't raid then why do you need top of the line gear? You don't do anything with it...

    Gear is the means to an end ... not the end of the means.
  1. Farora's Avatar
    Each boss will only drop loot for you once per week, but you will continue to get the 250 Valor for completing each Raid Finder raid, up to the 500 cap.^^^^ That will make LFR a freaking mess.
  1. mmoc8eb592856e's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Yalingo View Post
    If you don't raid then why do you need top of the line gear? You don't do anything with it...

    Gear is the means to an end ... not the end of the means.
    Well I dont think casual really get that gear for stats.. I mean why should some casual gimp care how much stamina or other shit is on the stats. On the other hand, tiers usually look cool! thats a reason to get the set.
  1. Lucetia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Edlarel View Post
    According to the post, the raidfinder gear will be the same level as the LFD gear and Valor equipment... Not sure how happy I am about that, seeing as how you'll run out of options rather quickly, then LFR for valor doesn't even mean anything anymore.

    Basically, you get a full set of 397 gear and then, nothing... Unless you raid normal/heroic.
    Actually that's not what the post said. The post said gear will go like this: LFD -> LFR -> Normal Raid / Valor -> Heroic Raid. Valor is now clumped in with normal raid as it has been all expansion, plus they even state it's the same level as what drops in normal.

    LFR will have higher quality look than 378 (LFD), but lower quality loot than normal raid (397). This leads to either the 384 or 391 iLvL's they implemented in Firelands which would be about even.
  1. mmoc167933ed71's Avatar
    I like this change. I don't raid anymore (LFR will change that, albeit easy-mode story-raiding) but I do remember a time where you would have to be present in a specific raid, and kill a specific boss to actually get that last piece of gear you so desperately wanted. Personally, looting gear off a kill has always seemed more satisfying to me. I'm not so sure the motivation behind this change is to strech out the lifespan of content. I would interpret it as an attempt to bring back some of the joy and accomplishment associated with acquiring loot.

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