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Raid Finder Loot Rules Update
Short version: When using Raid Finder for the Dragon Soul raid instance, players whose currently assigned class role (Tank, Healer, or Damage) matches the class role that a piece of armor or a weapon is flagged for will receive +100 to their Need roll.
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
In response to concerns regarding how loot will be distributed in the Raid Finder system, we are making some changes to how loot rolls will work when using the Need Before Greed system in the Raid Finder. When using Raid Finder for the Dragon Soul raid instance, players whose currently assigned class role (Tank, Healer, or Damage) matches the class role that a piece of armor or a weapon is flagged for will receive +100 to their Need roll. For purposes of this check, your currently assigned role is defined as the class role you have assigned when a boss is defeated. Sound confusing? I hope not, but here's how it'll work:

A boss dies and drops EPIC TANKING ITEM.


  • A mage in the group yawns and clicks the "Greed" button, getting a 98.

  • A Fury warrior in the group wants to take up tanking, so he rolls "Need" and gets a solid 64.

  • Both tanks want the item. Tank 1 rolls a 12, and Tank 2 rolls a 7.

So what happens?

Because the mage rolled greed, she's right out from the start. The Fury warrior's Need roll was higher than the tanks', but he was in the Damage Dealer role when the boss died, and the item is flagged for tanking, so his 64 is still just a 64 out of a possible 100. In contrast, Tank 1 and Tank 2 each get a 100 point bonus to their rolls because they were in the Tanking role when the boss died and they’re rolling on an item that has been flagged for the tanking role. That means that Tank 1 rolled a 112 out of 200, and tank 2 rolled a 107 out of 200. Tank 1 wins the item! If a roll got a bonus, that bonus will be clearly displayed in the chat log.

Please keep in mind that, at least for now, this system will only look at class role, and not player spec. This bonus isn't only for tanking items either – it applies to Tanking, Damage Dealing, and Healing items, and some items are flagged for more than one class role too. Starting out, only Dragon Soul raid items will be flagged for class roles in this way (though all of the items in the raid will be flagged for one or more roles). As you might expect, all the normal Need Before Greed rules are still in place, so that means that these roll bonuses won't overrule normal class and usability restrictions. Item tooltips in the raid won't reflect which class roles will get rolling bonuses, but it should be fairly obvious based on stat allocations and item type.

We are considering expanding this system to apply to the new 4.3 dungeons as well, though it is unlikely that we'll see the system apply to older dungeons or raids for now. Also, please keep in mind that this system is newly minted, and it may see further changes before it's released with the Raid Finder in patch 4.3.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Raid Finder Loot Rules Update started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 460 Comments
  1. robbaneken's Avatar
    ABOUT TIME! Hopefully this new loot system will be applied to all dungeons and raids eventually.
  1. Aemos's Avatar
    thats the way to go.
  1. Mammoth's Avatar
    If the group drops a healer don't expect anyone to change role to fill the gap then. They're shafting people for being useful for the queue system. It also fails to mention that nearly all healer gear is shared with dps gear. There's no reason a healer cannot out roll other cloth wearers when collecting her OS kit. For example a Resto druid will have higher priority than a Feral druid when rolling on potential moonkin kit.
  1. 3clipse's Avatar
    Now THAT is an elegant solution to a complex problem. Love it.
  1. Scyo's Avatar
    Excellent way to deal with the situation.
  1. Lemonlust's Avatar
    Brilliant, I think blizzard did it again.
  1. Percolator's Avatar
    Interesting, however there could be a problem regarding certain items that are BiS for tanks and dps, for instance.
  1. jerkface's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalx View Post
    I wonder why not make a MS need button and a OS need button and make them available to the respective specs instead of this.. wouldn't a +100 be a guaranteed win? MS can roll 1 and OS roll 100, and MS will still win with 101. so there's not much point in that
    Presumably it's easier for them to add 100 rather than adding a third rolling hierarchy, since as you pointed out they accomplish the same thing.
    Seems like a good change, though I'm still curious how they'll go about handling the kick system and such.
  1. MrKnubbles's Avatar
    Perfect implementation.
  1. Spotnick's Avatar
    This won't stop hunters from needing on 2H strenght swords.
  1. meroko's Avatar
    LoL, the way they described it was that the specific spec always wins. If tank A and B roll 7 and 12, they always get +100 added to that. They made it seem like it wasn't a /random 200 roll but a /roll with 100 added on which means no matter what they couldn't be beat. I am hoping he just described it wonky and bonus rolls are just getting a /random 200 roll
  1. Devorawn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalx View Post
    I wonder why not make a MS need button and a OS need button and make them available to the respective specs instead of this.. wouldn't a +100 be a guaranteed win? MS can roll 1 and OS roll 100, and MS will still win with 101. so there's not much point in that
    The bonus only applies to need rolls.

    Solid system, no flaws from what I can see, liking it.
  1. Strafer's Avatar
    Perfect.
  1. Matchu's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by frag971 View Post
    So what prevents having all fury, cats, retris and frostDKs to select tanking role just before the pull and have +100 on that last item they want from that specific boss?
    Tell the leader not to do a role check before the pull?
  1. Anakso's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalx View Post
    I wonder why not make a MS need button and a OS need button and make them available to the respective specs instead of this.. wouldn't a +100 be a guaranteed win? MS can roll 1 and OS roll 100, and MS will still win with 101. so there's not much point in that
    There's always one.

    To explain it a bit, this system isn't designed so that people can EVER get OS gear over someone who needs it MS, and that's what people have always wanted.

    +100 isn't a guaranteed win because chances are you'll still have competition to roll against who are in that role and therefore get the +100 to their rolls as well, essentially stopping anyone from going in as a dps and winning tank or healer loot that the MS player wants, that parts important as another benefit is that a dps can roll need on every tank item if he wants to build a tank spec and not feel bad about it OR get flamed for it, as he will only actually have a chance of winning if the tanks don't want the item.
  1. BaronvonKleff's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by frag971 View Post
    So what prevents having all fury, cats, retris and frostDKs to select tanking role just before the pull and have +100 on that last item they want from that specific boss?
    Think a group will be formed with 2/3 tanks and if 1 of them isnt a tank they probably got kicked
  1. burghands's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Percolator View Post
    Interesting, however there could be a problem regarding certain items that are BiS for tanks and dps, for instance.
    Both roles will get the bonus, there is no problem.
  1. 4KhazModan's Avatar
    So what about dps items that are also good for tanking I wonder? Like the belt of Shannox. Or caster items that can be good for a healer too? How about Blood Dk's rolling on 2handers?
    Also, feral items, do they give prio to a bear or a kitty/rogue?
  1. Mewmewkittens's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Radeghost View Post
    I like the idea.
    yeah me too. but what about items that gives stats both a dps warrior and a tank wants? like mastery + expertise/hit ? what would happen then? is it listed as a "both roles" item?
  1. Fixup's Avatar
    Love it :-)

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