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Raid Finder Loot Rules Update
Short version: When using Raid Finder for the Dragon Soul raid instance, players whose currently assigned class role (Tank, Healer, or Damage) matches the class role that a piece of armor or a weapon is flagged for will receive +100 to their Need roll.
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
In response to concerns regarding how loot will be distributed in the Raid Finder system, we are making some changes to how loot rolls will work when using the Need Before Greed system in the Raid Finder. When using Raid Finder for the Dragon Soul raid instance, players whose currently assigned class role (Tank, Healer, or Damage) matches the class role that a piece of armor or a weapon is flagged for will receive +100 to their Need roll. For purposes of this check, your currently assigned role is defined as the class role you have assigned when a boss is defeated. Sound confusing? I hope not, but here's how it'll work:

A boss dies and drops EPIC TANKING ITEM.


  • A mage in the group yawns and clicks the "Greed" button, getting a 98.

  • A Fury warrior in the group wants to take up tanking, so he rolls "Need" and gets a solid 64.

  • Both tanks want the item. Tank 1 rolls a 12, and Tank 2 rolls a 7.

So what happens?

Because the mage rolled greed, she's right out from the start. The Fury warrior's Need roll was higher than the tanks', but he was in the Damage Dealer role when the boss died, and the item is flagged for tanking, so his 64 is still just a 64 out of a possible 100. In contrast, Tank 1 and Tank 2 each get a 100 point bonus to their rolls because they were in the Tanking role when the boss died and they’re rolling on an item that has been flagged for the tanking role. That means that Tank 1 rolled a 112 out of 200, and tank 2 rolled a 107 out of 200. Tank 1 wins the item! If a roll got a bonus, that bonus will be clearly displayed in the chat log.

Please keep in mind that, at least for now, this system will only look at class role, and not player spec. This bonus isn't only for tanking items either – it applies to Tanking, Damage Dealing, and Healing items, and some items are flagged for more than one class role too. Starting out, only Dragon Soul raid items will be flagged for class roles in this way (though all of the items in the raid will be flagged for one or more roles). As you might expect, all the normal Need Before Greed rules are still in place, so that means that these roll bonuses won't overrule normal class and usability restrictions. Item tooltips in the raid won't reflect which class roles will get rolling bonuses, but it should be fairly obvious based on stat allocations and item type.

We are considering expanding this system to apply to the new 4.3 dungeons as well, though it is unlikely that we'll see the system apply to older dungeons or raids for now. Also, please keep in mind that this system is newly minted, and it may see further changes before it's released with the Raid Finder in patch 4.3.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Raid Finder Loot Rules Update started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 460 Comments
  1. Aztrazolo's Avatar
    This is simply fantastic.
  1. Rairu's Avatar
    Hope this works with hybrid dps'ers rolling on spirit gear.
  1. Azutael's Avatar
    Hmmm, not perfect. But it's a good start. Really need proper flagging of items for this to work at all, so hoping they get that right. But because it only takes into consideration your role, and doesent include spec - I am a little worried that the system isnt good enough Also, if it's possible to change roles before a bossfight, it will creat alot of drama. Since the loot you are eligible for is decided based on your current role when the boss died.
  1. Cernunnos's Avatar
    Wonder how it will work for Shadow Priests, Elemental shamans and boomkins, some times spirit gear (which is usually healer gear) is BIS because of the spirit to hit conversion.




    You cant change your roll mid dungeon in LFD, assuming the same will be true of LFR since its hard coded for 2 tanks 6 healers and no need to switch roll, there wont be any need to switch it up.
  1. Howard Moon's Avatar
    So it was +100 after all, good stuff.
  1. Rossholee's Avatar
    Very great idea, good job Blizzard.
  1. conversekitty's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalx View Post
    I wonder why not make a MS need button and a OS need button and make them available to the respective specs instead of this.. wouldn't a +100 be a guaranteed win? MS can roll 1 and OS roll 100, and MS will still win with 101. so there's not much point in that
    You obviously don't PVE often. People just would roll MS to get the loot.
  1. Shamgar's Avatar
    Not all items are as obvious as plate with parry on. What if there drops EPIC SPELLPOWER RING with int, haste and mastery. This particular ring might be good for both healers and dps. Will dps get prio always because it does not have spirit? On the other hand, elemental shamans use spirit mail, so does restoration shamans. Same goes for moonkins and shadow priests with leather and cloth respectivly. Will this work only for some items, while other are ready for the plucking by everyone and their grandma's offspecs? They better make a more waterproof system then this, or the QQ will be immense Another point is bows. If it simply is flagged as dps, does that means rogues and warriors can roll need on it, or do hunters get prio? What about agility staffs, and a druid in tank spec.
  1. Affectionate's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by helheim View Post
    its a step in the right direction but i think it needs some tweaking. as stated by others the +100 is kind of shitty. example: let's say a 1h mace with spirit, spellpower and haste drops. this is primarily a healer item, however some classes - looking at you shaman and spriests - are flagged as dps and this is an obvious choice for them as well. if the item is flagged as a healer drop exclusively, and the healer say rolls a 2, but the spriest and shaman roll say a 98 and 85 respectively, the healer will win with the +100 despite being outrolled by 2 classes that can utilize the same item. imo the solution is not to add +100 to the /roll, but rather a number slightly lower, say +50. by adding a +100 to the roll, a healer could in theory roll a 1, and the shaman or spriest in my example could both roll 100, and the healer would win because of the modifier on the roll. in another example, let's say that like in firelands, there is a low quantity of spirit cloth gear. as a result a wrist drops with haste and mastery and int. before the removal of healing power and homogenization with spell power, this would be a clear as day dps item. in todays wow, this item is both a healer AND dps caster item. how is this item flagged? if it is flagged as a healer item, the dps will lose every time, again due to the modifier on the roll. while this system is an improvement over the standard need over greed system in place on live realms right now, just like in life, some one is going to end up getting the short end of the stick.

    they may not just flag things by role, but may be flagged by role w/ class influence. or all "caster" items (int) count for casters, regardless of spirit or not. (tho i like the former better)
  1. Ashaela's Avatar
    The only thing that is bad about this system is something that Blizzard sadly can't do much about. For example, I have all the tanking gear I want, but my Fury warrior friend still wants items but he can't roll on them since there are other tanks who need the items. So, I join the raid finder with him as a tank, and when the tanking item he wants drops, I roll and get the +100 roll and perhaps winning over the others. Then I just trade the item to him and go about as if nothing has happened. Not that I'd ever do this personally, it's just a scenario that could happen at a few occassions.
  1. Tlink7's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by helheim View Post
    its a step in the right direction but i think it needs some tweaking. as stated by others the +100 is kind of shitty. example: let's say a 1h mace with spirit, spellpower and haste drops. this is primarily a healer item, however some classes - looking at you shaman and spriests - are flagged as dps and this is an obvious choice for them as well. if the item is flagged as a healer drop exclusively, and the healer say rolls a 2, but the spriest and shaman roll say a 98 and 85 respectively, the healer will win with the +100 despite being outrolled by 2 classes that can utilize the same item. imo the solution is not to add +100 to the /roll, but rather a number slightly lower, say +50. by adding a +100 to the roll, a healer could in theory roll a 1, and the shaman or spriest in my example could both roll 100, and the healer would win because of the modifier on the roll. in another example, let's say that like in firelands, there is a low quantity of spirit cloth gear. as a result a wrist drops with haste and mastery and int. before the removal of healing power and homogenization with spell power, this would be a clear as day dps item. in todays wow, this item is both a healer AND dps caster item. how is this item flagged? if it is flagged as a healer item, the dps will lose every time, again due to the modifier on the roll. while this system is an improvement over the standard need over greed system in place on live realms right now, just like in life, some one is going to end up getting the short end of the stick.
    ''and some items are flagged for more than one class role too''
  1. luckybeer's Avatar
    It only took them 6 years to figure this out.
  1. bowjob88's Avatar
    if they swap to tanking role they wont get to roll for dps gear with a bonusroll but ofc they might only be after tankgear
  1. fangless's Avatar
    What is the point of this? Person A rolls Greed, Person B rolls Need. What does the bonus even matter if Need rolls are placed ahead of Greed anyway?
  1. Vook's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ineras View Post
    I wonder if +spi items will be considered MS by this system for both healers and shadowpriests/boomkin/ele shamans?
    I don't see why not. They're 100% viable for those DPS.

    Quote Originally Posted by frag971 View Post
    So what prevents having all fury, cats, retris and frostDKs to select tanking role just before the pull and have +100 on that last item they want from that specific boss?
    The fact that you can't just randomly change your role all the time...just like in LFD.

    Quote Originally Posted by fangless View Post
    What is the point of this? Person A rolls Greed, Person B rolls Need. What does the bonus even matter if Need rolls are placed ahead of Greed anyway?
    To stop people from Need rolling on things for offspec, or winning need rolls over people who actually need things.
  1. Shamslam's Avatar
    Took em long enough to implement MS > OS. Good job though, such an easy and awesome fix.
  1. Matchu's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by fangless View Post
    What is the point of this? Person A rolls Greed, Person B rolls Need. What does the bonus even matter if Need rolls are placed ahead of Greed anyway?
    It's not dealing with Greed/Need, it's dealing with MS/OS.
  1. Quakefan's Avatar
    But if I go raid / dungeon as a fury warrior, but my dual spect is protection, then I will want roll a tank item.
  1. xskarma's Avatar
    Good change, I do hope though that cloth items with +hit will be seen exclusively as damagedealer and I get my +100 if a priest healer decides to roll on it too
  1. xphilip's Avatar
    Well how about elemental and resto shamans - elemental use spirit gear and restos use non-spirit gear... how should that work?

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