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World of Warcraft - Class Talent Systems Panel

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Talents 2.0
  • Major change to class talent trees, and this is a new phase of development for the talent system.
  • The goal is to have you sit to another next to another combat rogue, and this combat rogue will actually have different talents than you do!
  • Character customization was the original point of talents in the first place but overtime cookie cutter builds dominated the scene.

New Model
  • Class Abilities are available to all specs in the class. All warriors learn heroic strike for example.
  • Spec Abilities are available to certain specs. Only Arms warriors learn Slam. Retribution and Protection paladin get Hammer of the Righteous, etc ...
  • Talents are optional skills/bonuses available to all specs. Any warrior can choose Throwdown, and you will have to pick between 3 different crowd control abilities on this level of talent.
  • Level 15 - You pick your first talent. For example, warriors have to pick between Juggernaut / Double Time / Warbringer and players will have to pick which mobility ability they want to pick depending on their playstyle.

Talent Philosophy
  • Access to stuff you never could before. If you were a subtlety rogue you knew you weren't going to get something like Killing Spree. And because talents are going to be all in the same tree, you're going to be able to combine them in a way that you never could before. For example, any rogue can have Shadowstep!
  • Several new, overpowered (feeling) talents will be added to the game.
  • If you don't see a beloved talent in your new talents list, don't worry, it's probably something we gave your spec as a baseline. For example all Holy priests now have Circle of Healing.
  • No mandatory talents anymore.
  • Every choice should be hard but fun!

Talent Preview
  • Design will iterate a lot on individual talents
  • Don't obsess about the numbers

Death Knight
See screenshots of all tiers


Druid
See screenshots of all tiers


Hunter
See screenshots of all tiers


Mage
See screenshots of all tiers


Paladin
See screenshots of all tiers


Priest
See screenshots of all tiers


Rogue
See screenshots of all tiers


Shaman
See screenshots of all tiers


Warlock
See screenshots of all tiers


Warrior
See screenshots of all tiers


Change is scary!!!
  • Talents aren't set in stone yet.
  • Questions will be answered during the Q&As tomorrow.
  • An online developer Q&A will happen on October 27
This article was originally published in forum thread: World of Warcraft - Class Talent Systems Panel started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 245 Comments
  1. Terranor's Avatar
    What people crying "the new talents for my class suck" have to understand is that it's not:Old talents -> New talents. It's more like:Old talents -> Base class abilities + Spec abilities + new talents. The old talents have been separated, if you want to compare it to the old trees it gives something like that: I can pick my frost mage dps and core talents which every frost mage picks anyway when I choose to be frost spec at lvl 10. (Those talents will be learned passively while leveling) + Even though I am a frost mage, I can pick between all the old gimmick talents from every mage spec + some new ones. A good change overall imo.
  1. Jboyed's Avatar
    People do realise that most of the passives and abilities that are in the current talent trees are still going to be there as passives, right? This is just giving some awesome specialisation options that, from what I can see, are going to give great options. Don't be so reactionary. It's a big change, and we'll probably miss the old talents at times, but it's looking good.
  1. Ryme's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphus View Post
    There are no talent specs though if I'm reading it correctly. All classes just get 1 talent tree to choose from and from each tier I believe you choose just one of the talents.

    Not entirely sure of it myself. Will have to just wait and see what happens. Hopefully they'll pre-release the talents just before the new expansion comes out so get a proper look.
    No, you still pick a spec, and you still gain abilities as you level in that SPEC (specs will have their own abilities, like the old talent system) you now ALSO get extra bonus epic abilities every 15 levels.

    This system is perfect.
  1. Hayro1's Avatar
    Disrupting Shout and Shockwave in 5's is going to be ridiculous as fuck. Good luck to all casters next expac in 5's.
  1. tdratt's Avatar
    pve wise i see there being cookie cutter builds, but for pvp this new talent system is pretty amazing lots of possibilities
  1. Deadanon's Avatar
    6 talents and some of them have absolutly NOTHING to do with the spec and they way you play. Just horrible.
    Example - how do forced tank/pvp talent improve PVE healing paladin ?
    Answer... it doesnt. Talking about POINTLESS talents - BLizzard have just created much much more of them. Sounds absolutly horrible.

    http://media.mmo-champion.com/images...adin_tier3.jpg
  1. Noblia's Avatar
    Did anyone see any new talents for enhancement shaman in the pics? I seen nothing. Oh well, maybe they have other plans for the spec. Maybe they will introduce rockbiter 2.0, we all know how good 1.0 was. LoL WoW.
  1. Tonystark's Avatar
    The completly changed the talent trees and everyone had to learn how to play their class over in Cataclysm. Well, now you get to learn it all over AGAIN. This is how they make their expansion's NEW........ feeling like.
  1. Minchu's Avatar
    Anybody notice the second to last Shaman talents (lvl 75) Echo of the Elements is Elemental's current mastery? Looks like that's changing too....
  1. Rigrot's Avatar
    A lot of these seem very utility based, cookie cutter might exist, but be much vaguer than normal. Like 3 different speed increases, but they all act differently and each would work better in different scenarios.
  1. Gavan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Hayro1 View Post
    Disrupting Shout and Shockwave in 5's is going to be ridiculous as fuck. Good luck to all casters next expac in 5's.
    I was thinking this too. A Fury warrior with Bladestorm, really?

    I'm not too happy about loosing shockwave til level 90 though... >.>
  1. Knownastemplar's Avatar
    Anyone else getting a rift feel from this new system?
  1. Ryme's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Deadanon View Post
    6 talents and some of them have absolutly NOTHING to do with the spec and they way you play. Just horrible.
    Example - how do forced tank/pvp talent improve PVE healing paladin ?
    Answer... it doesnt. Talking about POINTLESS talents - BLizzard have just created much much more of them. Sounds absolutly horrible.

    http://media.mmo-champion.com/images...adin_tier3.jpg
    Because they're NOT SUPPOSED TO!

    These talents are CLASS talents not SPEC talents, you still gain your spec abilities from specing into the spec and levelling up, like the old way.
  1. 05gmccarthyg's Avatar
    Mage's Greater Invisibility seems retarded. :/
  1. Finchel's Avatar
    i think i am just confused with the whole talent system but maybe i am just in dum dum mod cause i am doped up on cough medicine so maybe i will just have to find the panel video on this to understand it better lol cause right now i dont understand it at all lol.
  1. Hayro1's Avatar
    Whatever provides the highest possible damage will be the cookie cutters, just like we have today. There will always be a cookie cutter build unless somehow specs vary from maximum possible damage for whatever reason(s) that make it that way.
  1. SNG1's Avatar
    Where the hell is all the useful talents for enhancement shaman?! The only useful one is Nature's Swiftness but everything else seems pointless...
  1. Thardus's Avatar
    Seems like they are adding a lot of utility to classes across the board in order to balance pvp (every class seems to have something to get out of snares, more cc, more aoe cc, etc). Lets hope mages don't rape pvp again.
  1. Ionite's Avatar
    Picking shadowstep -or- preparation? Seems like rogues won't be my favourite pvp class anymore.
  1. fyl's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Deadanon View Post
    6 talents and some of them have absolutly NOTHING to do with the spec and they way you play. Just horrible.
    Example - how do forced tank/pvp talent improve PVE healing paladin ?
    Answer... it doesnt. Talking about POINTLESS talents - BLizzard have just created much much more of them. Sounds absolutly horrible.

    http://media.mmo-champion.com/images...adin_tier3.jpg
    Learn to read before you go mad, the blue posts about the new talents tree and passive talents that is.

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