MMO-Champion - Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions, Paragon Apology
Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions
Blizzard finally commented on the Raid Finder Loot exploit resultingin multiple accounts suspensions in a lot of guilds.
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Shortly after patch 4.3 was released, we became aware that some players were abusing an exploit to obtain loot from the same Raid Finder bosses multiple times in a single raid lockout period (one week). The Raid Finder loot mechanic is of course intended to only allow a person to roll on boss loot drops once per raid lockout period. The raid lockout mechanic has been a mainstay of the World of Warcraft rules since Onyxia and Molten Core, ensuring that no one can obtain loot from a boss more than once per lockout. Due to the nature of the exploit and the clear intent of those who abused it, they've been issued notices and given temporary suspensions from the game. We’re also working to remove all Raid Finder items from those who used the exploit.

It's also worth noting that Paragon posted an apology on their website

An LFR Apology
There has been a lot of misinformation going around, so to clear things up, here is a truthful account of what exactly happened with the LFR and what we have to say about it:

The patch hit EU servers on Wednesday. We started off with our 5x Firelands runs to wrap up legendaries and called it a night. For Thursday, we had an elaborate plan to run a personal LFR raid for every main character to get the maximum amount of loot.

As we were doing the first few runs, we noticed an unrealistic amount of tier pieces on some guilds' armory profiles, which we thought was unattainable through normal means. We started looking into it, and found out that you can loot passed gear from bosses, regardless of save status, if you zone out and back into the instance. This did not provide the raid with any extra loot, but it did eliminate a major portion of the RNG that would have been involved in simply doing personal runs for everyone.

We acknowledge that using this unintended behavior, which was quite clearly a bug, to our gain, was wrong. The fact that others were using it as well is no justification for doing it ourselves. We apologize for doing it, and accept whatever consequences follow.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions, Paragon Apology started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. barnaby's Avatar
    blizz should of banned all accounts permanently. just more swifty justice here, where they dont dare ban people that do wrong if they have enough followers on twitter
  1. Kenta's Avatar
    Wow, super mature and smart open letter to the community by DParagon. Big change from the drama in the Ensidia days every time they got banned. There is a big hope that WoW will still be going strong in WoP looking from both sides, the players that are staying and that Blizzard is still doing a lot to make it fun and interesting which is extremely hard for such an old game.
  1. figity's Avatar
    i am glad blizzard have done this to cheaters or exploiters. I remember in another game i played where a very similar thing happened and loads of players left because the company didnt react fast enough or hard enough.

    And let be honest we are all going to suffer for this with the extended maintainace happening on the servers to check the database etc, so they cheat and we all suffer thank you these cheaters for making this happen.
  1. ganush's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by snuffglops View Post
    "The fact that others were using it as well is no justification for doing it ourselves."

    I just cannot agree with that. I could have gotten away with that statement. ALL of my friends in this game could have gotten away with that statement. But Paragon is probably the best PvE guild in the world. They're going to do virtually everything they can to keep it that way. When they see that other people are taking advantage of a bug that could give them a decent enough edge to get a world first, they're going to take it. And so, if I were leading Paragon, that would have been my reply to Blizzard. "We do everything we can to remain the most competitive PvE guild in the world. If other people are taking advantage of a bug that Blizzard should have gotten fixed on PTR, then we're going to do the same thing."

    It kind of reminds of people taking steroids in Major League Baseball. By the time the era was at an end, you had so many players saying that they were doing it just because so many other people were as well, and they didn't want to lose their edge in the game.
    Cheating is wrong and using the excuse that you needed to do it in order to be competitive is never right. Do you really believe it is ok for top level athletes to take PEDs because they need to to be competitive? That's why there are rules in place to ban those who get caught. They took their chances and they are serving their suspension.
  1. Eggwolls's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Goliad View Post
    Does their cheating affect you? Why can't people play this game for their own amusement? Who cares how many guilds exploited, they will get their punishment and it will affect you exactly 0%. All these people saying glad they got suspended or glad they got their comeuppance are just being silly. 99% of the people who play wow do not care, will not care, heck most do not even know who paragon is, nor do they care. It's a game, have fun playing your game. If your game is made better by other people's misery, then you need a new game.
    Of course it doesn't affect anyone's gameplay.

    A lot of things happen in this world that don't affect others, but that doesn't make them less wrong/right and it doesn't mean we can't have opinions about it.
  1. Tmoney511's Avatar
    So people get punished for Blizzards mistake in not finding this bug.....
  1. Bogrim's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Glarious View Post
    why does an apology from paragon deserve to be a main topic on mmo champion? what do we care, they messed up and they kept doing it ok we got it. but does this "apology" really deserve to be on the main page of mmo-champion?? i mean seriously theres other threads for this, why not post it in each of them instead of posting it on the front page.. this isnt news about any game, just the players behind it... Why isnt my rogue ever on the main page huh?
    Because I don't care about your Rogue, but I care about Paragon and a lot of players I have talked to about the exploit in the game expressed a large disappointment in one of the most famed guilds sinking to this level.

    World first kills is the only real form of sport and competition in this game, you'll have to deal with it just like I have to deal with popular soccer matches interrupting my usual radio programs.
  1. markdall's Avatar
    How about not cheating in the first place, and living up to your guild name? par·a·gon [ párrə gòn ] 1.example of excellence: somebody or something that is the very best example of something2.large unflawed diamond: a perfect diamond that weighs at least 100 carats3.large perfectly spherical pearl: an extremely large pearl that is a perfect sphereSynonyms: model, shining example, epitome, archetype, quintessence, paradigm, exemplar, ideal
  1. Howlrunner's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tmoney511 View Post
    So people get punished for Blizzards mistake in not finding this bug.....
    No. It is in the terms of service that if you find a bug, you report it. If you don't it is an exploit.

    This is obviously a massive bug that they took advantage of. Its not Blizzards fault, but the players for thinking they could get away with it. Trying to blame it on Blizzard is stupidity at it's finest.
  1. Sarac's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by rdj View Post
    This post from Hermanni on the Paragon forums pretty much sums up why an apology was useless and why Paragon are no better than the rest:
    Not really, we have no business in what other people do with their characters. Hes only right for trolling you if you think you are better than him
  1. Kronicles's Avatar
    Also, post like this on mmo-champion is the reason we call it wow-champion.
  1. aggression's Avatar
    So, how many in main DREAM Paragon are banned for tomorrows HC race start?
  1. Thetallest's Avatar
    Okay I apologize but I'm confused about the logistics of these "personalized" LFR runs. Does that mean that they all have 25 alts to run each char through on? Can someone explain it to me?
  1. rhofactor's Avatar
    These people got what they deserve and their "apology" means jack shit.
  1. Doxa's Avatar
    While unfortunate, the apologize issues is far more responsible and dignified than what we get from our esteemed politicians, business men, celebrities and other bastions of society.Paragon admitted wrong-doing outright, apologized for it responsibly and did fill anyone with that bull of "we're only sorry if you were offended by what we did".I'm not impressed by what they did, but the apology was appropriate and rightly spoken. And imagine, gamers issuing more sincere and meaningful apologies than most of the crooked politicians, rapists and thieves.
  1. Warichane's Avatar
    Doublepost. Disregard this!
  1. pocky_rin's Avatar
    lol they apologize after they actually get banned, before that they were just saying "it was accidental blah blah"
  1. ripslyme's Avatar
    pure bullshit.. i got 8 days while others got 3 while others got nothing
  1. macnuke's Avatar
    so they take a week off.
    they log in and still have more loot than anyone.

    strip em i say.
    then let em gear up like everyone else is supposed to.
    take the loot, give em a week off and take it from anyone that was in there doing that as well.

    they're "leet".. they will get over it.
  1. Kronicles's Avatar
    omg guys paragon cheated, in a game, filled with pixels, omg, omg, omg, omg, and omg!!!!!

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