MMO-Champion - Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions, Paragon Apology
Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions
Blizzard finally commented on the Raid Finder Loot exploit resultingin multiple accounts suspensions in a lot of guilds.
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Shortly after patch 4.3 was released, we became aware that some players were abusing an exploit to obtain loot from the same Raid Finder bosses multiple times in a single raid lockout period (one week). The Raid Finder loot mechanic is of course intended to only allow a person to roll on boss loot drops once per raid lockout period. The raid lockout mechanic has been a mainstay of the World of Warcraft rules since Onyxia and Molten Core, ensuring that no one can obtain loot from a boss more than once per lockout. Due to the nature of the exploit and the clear intent of those who abused it, they've been issued notices and given temporary suspensions from the game. We’re also working to remove all Raid Finder items from those who used the exploit.

It's also worth noting that Paragon posted an apology on their website

An LFR Apology
There has been a lot of misinformation going around, so to clear things up, here is a truthful account of what exactly happened with the LFR and what we have to say about it:

The patch hit EU servers on Wednesday. We started off with our 5x Firelands runs to wrap up legendaries and called it a night. For Thursday, we had an elaborate plan to run a personal LFR raid for every main character to get the maximum amount of loot.

As we were doing the first few runs, we noticed an unrealistic amount of tier pieces on some guilds' armory profiles, which we thought was unattainable through normal means. We started looking into it, and found out that you can loot passed gear from bosses, regardless of save status, if you zone out and back into the instance. This did not provide the raid with any extra loot, but it did eliminate a major portion of the RNG that would have been involved in simply doing personal runs for everyone.

We acknowledge that using this unintended behavior, which was quite clearly a bug, to our gain, was wrong. The fact that others were using it as well is no justification for doing it ourselves. We apologize for doing it, and accept whatever consequences follow.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions, Paragon Apology started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. Kronicles's Avatar
    They didn't apologize out of free-will. Blizzard forced them to make a statement. If they were people who played by the rules then they would have not done it in the first place, but there was plenty of time for them to make an apology to the public before Blizzard reported this. This just proves that they are not truly sorry, but like many people have said before me, they are only sorry that they got caught.
  1. Attsey's Avatar
    Hmm, Blizzard bans people for cheating yet indirectly sells gold in its store. Interesting.
  1. smalliam's Avatar
    I would agree with all the comments that it is a video game, but it is a video game that most of us play more than 6 hours a day, now I really dont care if Paragon say they are sorry for doing something that is wrong.The real problem lies with blizzard, with all the testing and all the so call game dev's, blues NONE ; NOT One of them could see this coming, or was blizzard too lazy to fix the problem before it becomes one.Yea Paragon did exploit a in-game bug, that should never have been in the game in the first place.
  1. Kronicles's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Gritalian View Post
    I wouldn't say it was Blizzard that forced them, rather it was probably the risk of losing endorsements that allow them to play a game as a job for a month, every 6 months of the year.
    Yes, you make a good point. Regardless, they still broke a term of service, and should be punished for it. Furthermore, I don't really think it matters who forced them to make an apology. The fact is, they made the apology after Blizzard reported this, they had plenty of time to do so before everything went public, thus proving that they are not truly sorry for cheating and not following the rules listed in the terms of service.
  1. Bahska's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by smalliam View Post
    I would agree with all the comments that it is a video game, but it is a video game that most of us play more than 6 hours a day, now I really dont care if Paragon say they are sorry for doing something that is wrong.The real problem lies with blizzard, with all the testing and all the so call game dev's, blues NONE ; NOT One of them could see this coming, or was blizzard too lazy to fix the problem before it becomes one.Yea Paragon did exploit a in-game bug, that should never have been in the game in the first place.
    People reported it during the ptr, blizz still didn't fix it till it turned into a real problem 5 days after it hit live servers.

    They said not to use the exploit, blizzard has way to much trust in its community if they really thought there statement was gonna stop people from doing it.
    They should have delayed the patch a week to fix the problem like they say they do for other issue's that come up, that's why they normally don't give release dates.
    Looks like someone dropped the bal here.
    Sure its not all Blizzards fault but Paragon or other guilds don't make the game Blizzard does.

    It's not Blizzards fault these guilds cheated but it is there fault the bug was there in the first place, they were told months before 4.3 went live.
  1. Mustang's Avatar
    I'm glad this got taken care of. They apologized, let it pass.
  1. zaneosak's Avatar
    All these people saying ---- "GOOD THEY GOT BANNED WE WILL SEE WHO THE REAL WORLD FIRST IS NOW, THE REAL BEST PLAYERS, THEY ALWAYS CHEAT" 1. It's not going to be your shitty guild so don't get your hopes up 2. Do you really think it changes who the best players are? 3. You're bad at this game, go farm darkmoon faire dailies some more.
  1. Bashkar's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Drekavac View Post
    I think the funniest thing about all this is the people that actually care.... those who actually care about getting "world firsts" in a f'n game...and those will never have a chance at getting them being fanboys for those who do. It's a game...go take your "world firsts" to a job interview and see if they respect you for it. Get a life people, you need to rediscover what "game" means.
    The same thing goes for professional athletes, then.

    It's just a sport. Why should people care? Why should the players care? They're getting their paycheck, why should they bother putting the effort into playing? Winning the Stanley Cup / Superbowl / World Series is really just a title, doesn't actually matter. They're just too lazy to get a real job, and their fans are a bunch of losers with nothing better to do with their spare time than enjoy watching their team.

    You could say that about nearly anything in the world, if you really want to be that cynical about it.

    People enjoy watching those at the top of the game; any game. Gives them a sense of direction with their own skill development, and hell, entertainment is entertainment.

    So welcome to humanity, now get over yourself.
  1. Goliad's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bogrim View Post
    Because I don't care about your Rogue, but I care about Paragon and a lot of players I have talked to about the exploit in the game expressed a large disappointment in one of the most famed guilds sinking to this level.

    World first kills is the only real form of sport and competition in this game, you'll have to deal with it just like I have to deal with popular soccer matches interrupting my usual radio programs.
    >1% cares what "top guilds" do. They are not front page news for anyone. The banning of people, and the slap on the wrist they got is news. They should have got a harsher ban, i would have banned the accounts. They knew what they were doing was against the eula, but they did it anyways and admit. These people will not get banned, just like gold farmers will not get banned. Blizzard thinks these people are important to fanboys, so they will not ban them. I am sure most people commenting about this guild specifically have also posted against the people complaining about cata and wow. Only true hard core >1% ers care about this. The fact they got banned for exploiting is news, who did and why you care specifically about them, is not.
  1. chaley's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bahska View Post
    People reported it during the ptr, blizz still didn't fix it till it turned into a real problem 5 days after it hit live servers.
    This doesn't mean that Blizzard didn't try to fix this issue. For all we know in another build they tested internally showed that the bug was corrected, but didn't work as intended on live realms. I can have conspiracy theories too.
  1. Zylos's Avatar
    Am I the only one who couldn't care less about any of this? I don't see the point in caring about what paragon or any other guild does.
  1. Goliad's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zylos View Post
    Am I the only one who couldn't care less about any of this? I don't see the point in caring about what paragon or any other guild does.
    +1


    10 characters


    Infracted; "this"-type posts are not allowed.
  1. Deathnote's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by smalliam View Post
    I would agree with all the comments that it is a video game, but it is a video game that most of us play more than 6 hours a day, now I really dont care if Paragon say they are sorry for doing something that is wrong.The real problem lies with blizzard, with all the testing and all the so call game dev's, blues NONE ; NOT One of them could see this coming, or was blizzard too lazy to fix the problem before it becomes one.Yea Paragon did exploit a in-game bug, that should never have been in the game in the first place.
    They have the ptr to test to try to get the game as bug free as they can before it goes live. EVERY GAME has it's bugs, even more so in the types of games that has content patches. This sort of thing is to be expected. Except there's still no excuse for anyone since you can still report bugs on live just as easily as you can on ptr. Exploiting this and getting a ban is as common sense as drawing unemployment while employed and going to court for it. Blizzard has some of the best customer service of any game company around, especially in the line of MMOs and as far as MMOs go with bugs, they do by far the best job of making sure there are as few as possible and getting them fixed in some way quickly. If this was any other MMO then you wouldn't see a quick fix after a week. You would see people exploiting the bug for probably at least a month and then run the risk of a server roll back that effects everyone.
  1. Bridius's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zylos View Post
    Am I the only one who couldn't care less about any of this? I don't see the point in caring about what paragon or any other guild does.
    I agree. People are freaking out and begging for them all to be permanently banned.

    Everyone should mind your own business. Remember back in the day when some of the PvP gear was bugged and you could buy it all from the vendor without the required points or rating? It was a great feeling to do it even though the loot got removed, BUT EVERYONE WHO GRABBED THE FREE LOOT SHOULD BE PERMA BANNED!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
  1. raeloneq's Avatar
    All I see here is a bunch of haters that didn't get to exploit the system.And the point is, Blizzard fucked up. They got exploited and they should be the ones apologizing for releasing buggy patches.
  1. Galarius23's Avatar
    i'm sorry you left you car unlocked and i stole it...also i'm sorry for stealing you car
  1. Bahska's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by chaley View Post
    This doesn't mean that Blizzard didn't try to fix this issue. For all we know in another build they tested internally showed that the bug was corrected, but didn't work as intended on live realms. I can have conspiracy theories too.
    conspiracy theory? everyone new about this bug during the PTR.

    For all we know in another build they tested internally showed that the bug was corrected
    So why didn't they delay the patch to fix the problem that was there during testing months ago? they have done that with other patches in the past when "unforeseen" issues came up.

    Like i said i don't think it was right to cheat, all the guilds that did are wrong. But saying its not Blizzards fault as well the company that makes the game, that says when a patch is released, that tests its patches and has people report bugs is very hypocritical.
  1. Arcuss's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Attsey View Post
    Hmm, Blizzard bans people for cheating yet indirectly sells gold in its store. Interesting.

    Id like to buy some gold. Please post the list to the bliz store where I can buy gold. Thanks.
  1. syoshi03's Avatar
    Facts are facts. People cheated, people got caught, and people got banned. Doesn't matter who they were just that Blizz finally did something about it. Now they just need to continue following this example to keep the competition "fair" and provide clear rules rather than the seemingly bi-polar rules currently.As for the argument that the bug shouldn't have been there in the first place. Please point me to a program as complex as WoW that has 0 bugs. There isn't one and never will be.
  1. Antherios's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by raeloneq View Post
    All I see here is a bunch of haters that didn't get to exploit the system.And the point is, Blizzard fucked up. They got exploited and they should be the ones apologizing for releasing buggy patches.
    Hahaha good one. Blizzard should apologize to cheaters for giving them a window to cheat.

    Thats like Casinos apologizing to people using hidden computers because they didnt do a strip search at the entrance.

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