Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions, Paragon Apology

Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions
Blizzard finally commented on the Raid Finder Loot exploit resultingin multiple accounts suspensions in a lot of guilds.
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Shortly after patch 4.3 was released, we became aware that some players were abusing an exploit to obtain loot from the same Raid Finder bosses multiple times in a single raid lockout period (one week). The Raid Finder loot mechanic is of course intended to only allow a person to roll on boss loot drops once per raid lockout period. The raid lockout mechanic has been a mainstay of the World of Warcraft rules since Onyxia and Molten Core, ensuring that no one can obtain loot from a boss more than once per lockout. Due to the nature of the exploit and the clear intent of those who abused it, they've been issued notices and given temporary suspensions from the game. We’re also working to remove all Raid Finder items from those who used the exploit.

It's also worth noting that Paragon posted an apology on their website

An LFR Apology
There has been a lot of misinformation going around, so to clear things up, here is a truthful account of what exactly happened with the LFR and what we have to say about it:

The patch hit EU servers on Wednesday. We started off with our 5x Firelands runs to wrap up legendaries and called it a night. For Thursday, we had an elaborate plan to run a personal LFR raid for every main character to get the maximum amount of loot.

As we were doing the first few runs, we noticed an unrealistic amount of tier pieces on some guilds' armory profiles, which we thought was unattainable through normal means. We started looking into it, and found out that you can loot passed gear from bosses, regardless of save status, if you zone out and back into the instance. This did not provide the raid with any extra loot, but it did eliminate a major portion of the RNG that would have been involved in simply doing personal runs for everyone.

We acknowledge that using this unintended behavior, which was quite clearly a bug, to our gain, was wrong. The fact that others were using it as well is no justification for doing it ourselves. We apologize for doing it, and accept whatever consequences follow.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions, Paragon Apology started by Boubouille View original post
Published on 2011-12-06 07:28 PM
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  1. Maxemiss's Avatar
    I agree, Paragon should pay the consequences just like everyone else. But knowing Blizz they will lift their suspensions just because they are a known guild that are some of the best of the best. Just as they did with Swifty, he broke the rules I saw him break the rules and he got his ban lifted just because he made a video whining how he didn't break the rules and his followers threatening about it as well. When those of us who saw and were there know he did.
    Blizz is about the money not the community, Ruinious of Kil'Jaeden have said multiple times on KJ Blizz forums posted that they intentionally crash the server on Tuesdays by going into Org killing Garrosh, and AoE'ing the crap out of everything. Their excuse is encouraging world pvp, but yet they also admit they crash the server on purpose. Posts have been deleted, and nothing done.
    But now here is Paragon makes an apology and I willing to bet that their suspensions get quietly lifted so they can progress. While the rest suffer and have to pay what they did.
    We all pay to play, we all should get equal treatment. But that will never happen....
  1. qrko's Avatar
    LMAO. They gained some extra pixels faster than others, so what?Did someone was srsly offended by that? Where does this speach like a prime minister after a big government failure come from?
  1. Vallius's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chaoslux View Post
    Its the other side, its a lose-lose situation for every top guild:

    A) Guilds that did it and got banned.
    B) Guilds that didnt do it may be good to get World Firsts, but they will be empty because the only reason they got those world firsts is because Paragon / Method / Envy are banned.
    So how is this a lose-lose, again? They -wanted- a strict repsonse from Blizzard. Go to Paragon's site and check their forums. A ban would hamper their progression for a while, sure, but it would also prevent the compition from doing the same. And even if some 3rd rate guild got the top slot your second point actually proves my point. It would feel hollow anyway because no one would grant them the win, in truth, because the big guys had to sit out for a while.
  1. Moon-Man's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by raeloneq View Post
    Cant you read? They are getting temporarily banned...
    Is there a difference? Paragon exploited the bug, blizzard should not apologize to them at all, and you mean suspension not ban. (Exploit of a bug does not ends up a perma ban at all, but most likely a few days suspension)

    Paragon's is paying for their "crimes" by having a good few days of suspension, just like in justice.

    You kill a man, you go to <Decided length of the sentence> (lets say 25 years) of the murder, even if the murderer's apologizing. <---just an example.

    Paragon's deserves every minute of their suspension, they WILLINGLY exploited the bug. Yet they are so pathetic for apologizing. If they are sorry, why did they exploited the big in the first place huh?

    What I am saying is, Paragon is not sorry for their actions at all, they are just putting the "sorry" face on.

    Edit: I hope Blizzard will NOT lift their suspension.
  1. ImpTaimer's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chaoslux View Post
    Its the other side, its a lose-lose situation for every top guild:

    A) Guilds that did it and got banned.
    B) Guilds that didnt do it may be good to get World Firsts, but they will be empty because the only reason they got those world firsts is because Paragon / Method / Envy are banned.
    So people should feel bad they won cause someone that right-out cheated didn't get to compete?

    That makes about as much sense as doing a 100yrd dash with someone on rollerblades.
  1. mmocd061d7bab8's Avatar
    time to lick paragon's asshole oh yeah get those brown noses ready boys
  1. starlite's Avatar
    This did not provide the raid with any extra loot, but it did eliminate a major portion of the RNG that would have been involved in simply doing personal runs for everyone.
    This is BS. The ENTIRE exploit is that is provided EXTRA loot, not just some improvement in RNG or a faster method of doing something they could have done legitimately by simply running more "personal runs for everyone". Every Character gets a chance at exactly ONE boss death per week, and if their loot didn't drop no amount of personal runs would fix that.What's most amazing... they had to know this would get them suspended. it happens every patch. they have sponsors... just about the dumbest thing ever
  1. AshleyRiot's Avatar
    Tis a shame. If only they stayed true to themselves and saw the bigger picture. Besides just 'the race'. I can understand why Blizzard had to go through with this punishment. Because this isn't exactly a skill related bug. Just an exploit to get more gear. And if everyone else starts doing it, it'll just get out of hand. And why not use the top guilds to set an example?
  1. raeloneq's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolman View Post
    Is there a difference? Paragon exploited the bug, blizzard should not apologize to them at all, and you mean suspension not ban. (Exploit of a bug does not ends up a perma ban at all, but most likely a few days suspension)

    Paragon's is paying for their "crimes" by having a good few days of suspension, just like in justice.

    You kill a man, you go to <Decided length of the sentence> (lets say 25 years) of the murder, even if the murderer's apologizing. <---just an example.

    Paragon's deserves every minute of their suspension, they WILLINGLY exploited the bug. Yet they are so pathetic for apologizing. If they are sorry, why did they exploited the big in the first place huh?

    What I am saying is, Paragon is not sorry for their actions at all, they are just putting the "sorry" face on.
    Ok, I agree they are apologizing just to look god. But, do you think people would have reacted this way if there would have been no apology at all? I think Paragon's mistake was to make this a big deal.
  1. dovahkiin23's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chaoslux View Post
    Its the other side, its a lose-lose situation for every top guild:

    A) Guilds that did it and got banned.
    B) Guilds that didnt do it may be good to get World Firsts, but they will be empty because the only reason they got those world firsts is because Paragon / Method / Envy are banned.
    100% agreed with this. it is lose-lose for all sides.

    btw, why so much extreme hate for your fellow gamers? they made a mistake and they most like won't do it again. most of posters here are in US and just don't like europe guild?
  1. Kimd's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Epsi View Post
    Who cares about an 'apology' of Paragon? Do they think they'll be forgiven that they willingly abused a bug?
    No, they say at the end that they accept whatever consequences.
  1. Karazee's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolman View Post
    What I am saying is, Paragon is not sorry for their actions at all, they are just putting the "sorry" face on.
    They, like so many others who break the law, are not sorry for what they did. They're only sorry they got caught.
  1. KDSwain's Avatar
    Just saw a news report on CNN that Finland has declared war against the US over the Paragon ban. Apparently they take their WoW Raiding very seriously.

    In a related story, Blizzard failed to ban vodka for 8 days for fear of pissing off the Russians.
  1. qrko's Avatar
    Hahaha, I planned to laugh out laud from Lolman's comparison of getting extra items to killing a man, but then I realized he is a Lolman and he makes people laugh. Good job sir.
  1. Kandi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by wilcox1232 View Post
    fix it before it goes live and it won't be a problem. You can't tell me NOBODY thought of this before it went live. They shouldn't have to apologize the game let them do it therefore its in the game.

    It is my understanding alot of guilds knew about the bug on the ptr and did not tell Blizz about it and let it go live then proceeded to use that bug to their advantage. I am so glad to see that Blizz is coming down hard on those who did this and to teach anyone no you arent going to cheat in this game.
  1. Nesingwary-Eliada's Avatar
    Blizzard doesn't owe anybody an apology. If you were walking through a grocerry store and you saw some kid pocket a chocolate bar would you do it to? I mean the chocolate bar is just sitting there and somebody else took it without paying too. But, if you were caught would you then blame the store for just having the chocolate bar laying there? "I mean it was just sitting there and this other kid took it too and it's your fault it wasn't secured and you should have known about the risk of it cause it's just sitting there!" Wrong is wrong. Just because you CAN exploit something doesn't mean you should. And if you do exploit and get caught it's really your own dam fault. Just becaus eI'm at a garage sale and this CD is just sitting there and the dude trying to seell it isn't looking, that doesn't make it right for me to EXPLOIT the situation and take it for my own gain...
  1. dadou131988's Avatar
    What the fuck is wrong with this guild?Every time, every single time, they find something to exploit, get caught, banned, and roll out an apology -_-Rince and repeat...
  1. Mercadi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolman View Post
    What I am saying is, Paragon is not sorry for their actions at all, they are just putting the "sorry" face on.
    I agree. That news post is the only place where they show to be "sorry".
    Everywhere else, including these forums and their own, members of Paragon try to justify what they did by "reporting said bug numerous times" and "everybody else did that".
  1. Vook's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by pwntus95 View Post
    1st here aswell
    OMG CONGRATS!!!! Want a trophy?

    Anyways...lol @ all the people blaming Blizzard and/or saying it wasn't an exploit. Fanatic fanboys, when will they learn?
  1. mmoce85cdeb601's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bahska View Post
    conspiracy theory? everyone new about this bug during the PTR.



    So why didn't they delay the patch to fix the problem that was there during testing months ago? they have done that with other patches in the past when "unforeseen" issues came up.

    Like i said i don't think it was right to cheat, all the guilds that did are wrong. But saying its not Blizzards fault as well the company that makes the game, that says when a patch is released, that tests its patches and has people report bugs is very hypocritical.
    this was in the beta they did nothing to fix it, only rush out another fail patch in a hope t keep more ppl from leaving this crap game,,,,its the blizz (i really want to insert lots of swear words here) devs who should be suspended for this slackness but no they take it out on every1 else
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