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Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions
Blizzard finally commented on the Raid Finder Loot exploit resultingin multiple accounts suspensions in a lot of guilds.
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Shortly after patch 4.3 was released, we became aware that some players were abusing an exploit to obtain loot from the same Raid Finder bosses multiple times in a single raid lockout period (one week). The Raid Finder loot mechanic is of course intended to only allow a person to roll on boss loot drops once per raid lockout period. The raid lockout mechanic has been a mainstay of the World of Warcraft rules since Onyxia and Molten Core, ensuring that no one can obtain loot from a boss more than once per lockout. Due to the nature of the exploit and the clear intent of those who abused it, they've been issued notices and given temporary suspensions from the game. We’re also working to remove all Raid Finder items from those who used the exploit.

It's also worth noting that Paragon posted an apology on their website

An LFR Apology
There has been a lot of misinformation going around, so to clear things up, here is a truthful account of what exactly happened with the LFR and what we have to say about it:

The patch hit EU servers on Wednesday. We started off with our 5x Firelands runs to wrap up legendaries and called it a night. For Thursday, we had an elaborate plan to run a personal LFR raid for every main character to get the maximum amount of loot.

As we were doing the first few runs, we noticed an unrealistic amount of tier pieces on some guilds' armory profiles, which we thought was unattainable through normal means. We started looking into it, and found out that you can loot passed gear from bosses, regardless of save status, if you zone out and back into the instance. This did not provide the raid with any extra loot, but it did eliminate a major portion of the RNG that would have been involved in simply doing personal runs for everyone.

We acknowledge that using this unintended behavior, which was quite clearly a bug, to our gain, was wrong. The fact that others were using it as well is no justification for doing it ourselves. We apologize for doing it, and accept whatever consequences follow.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions, Paragon Apology started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. Epsi's Avatar
    Who cares about an 'apology' of Paragon? Do they think they'll be forgiven that they willingly abused a bug?
  1. DissPanda's Avatar
    We don't realise it's wrong to do things beforehand. We do them first, and then with a loud gasp say "Ooh boy we were wrong *giggle*"
  1. ganush's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bahska View Post
    The second part of his statement is true though no other company would be let go for releasing a buggy patch, especially when the specific bug was reported in testing AWILE ago.
    Just because a door is left open, doesn't make it acceptable to walk thru and take what you want. It takes character and integrity to walk past, even if you see everyone else running in and looting. If you know something is wrong, you should have the balls to say I'm not going to do it, even if those around you are. Paragon failed at this and the price they are paying is fair.

    On a separate note, I wouldn't be at all surprised if their apology was part of some sort of plea agreement with Blizzard to get their suspensions reduced to 3 days from 8.
  1. Ivansoy's Avatar
    Yo vicite la Armory de Kruf y me parecio extraño tuviera tantos item 384 en tan solo 1 semana pero bueno es parte le lso errores de ingenieros asi que exitos a todos .
  1. Bridius's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bashkar View Post
    I want you to write a small browser-based RPG that has absolutely nothing wrong with it. Give it a week.

    When you come back with a mangled piece of junk, I want you to think about building a game of this magnitude and ensuring that every single character of code is flawless both during internal and external testing.

    During a VB programming course ( I know, I know D: ) I had written an interactive ordering system for a small restaurant; I couldn't get the damn thing to run. According to both professors, there was nothing conceivably wrong with what I had written. It just decided that it was tired of my shit, and wasn't going to run.

    Something that was maybe a few hundred lines of code was being stubborn. Can you imagine something with millions of lines of code? Elements in something that complex can interact in ways that you could never EVER predict.
    Then ban everyone who finds out something went wrong. If nobody knows, it will be 100% flawless!
  1. Maxemiss's Avatar
    I agree, Paragon should pay the consequences just like everyone else. But knowing Blizz they will lift their suspensions just because they are a known guild that are some of the best of the best. Just as they did with Swifty, he broke the rules I saw him break the rules and he got his ban lifted just because he made a video whining how he didn't break the rules and his followers threatening about it as well. When those of us who saw and were there know he did.
    Blizz is about the money not the community, Ruinious of Kil'Jaeden have said multiple times on KJ Blizz forums posted that they intentionally crash the server on Tuesdays by going into Org killing Garrosh, and AoE'ing the crap out of everything. Their excuse is encouraging world pvp, but yet they also admit they crash the server on purpose. Posts have been deleted, and nothing done.
    But now here is Paragon makes an apology and I willing to bet that their suspensions get quietly lifted so they can progress. While the rest suffer and have to pay what they did.
    We all pay to play, we all should get equal treatment. But that will never happen....
  1. qrko's Avatar
    LMAO. They gained some extra pixels faster than others, so what?Did someone was srsly offended by that? Where does this speach like a prime minister after a big government failure come from?
  1. Vallius's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chaoslux View Post
    Its the other side, its a lose-lose situation for every top guild:

    A) Guilds that did it and got banned.
    B) Guilds that didnt do it may be good to get World Firsts, but they will be empty because the only reason they got those world firsts is because Paragon / Method / Envy are banned.
    So how is this a lose-lose, again? They -wanted- a strict repsonse from Blizzard. Go to Paragon's site and check their forums. A ban would hamper their progression for a while, sure, but it would also prevent the compition from doing the same. And even if some 3rd rate guild got the top slot your second point actually proves my point. It would feel hollow anyway because no one would grant them the win, in truth, because the big guys had to sit out for a while.
  1. Lolman's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by raeloneq View Post
    Cant you read? They are getting temporarily banned...
    Is there a difference? Paragon exploited the bug, blizzard should not apologize to them at all, and you mean suspension not ban. (Exploit of a bug does not ends up a perma ban at all, but most likely a few days suspension)

    Paragon's is paying for their "crimes" by having a good few days of suspension, just like in justice.

    You kill a man, you go to <Decided length of the sentence> (lets say 25 years) of the murder, even if the murderer's apologizing. <---just an example.

    Paragon's deserves every minute of their suspension, they WILLINGLY exploited the bug. Yet they are so pathetic for apologizing. If they are sorry, why did they exploited the big in the first place huh?

    What I am saying is, Paragon is not sorry for their actions at all, they are just putting the "sorry" face on.

    Edit: I hope Blizzard will NOT lift their suspension.
  1. ImpTaimer's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chaoslux View Post
    Its the other side, its a lose-lose situation for every top guild:

    A) Guilds that did it and got banned.
    B) Guilds that didnt do it may be good to get World Firsts, but they will be empty because the only reason they got those world firsts is because Paragon / Method / Envy are banned.
    So people should feel bad they won cause someone that right-out cheated didn't get to compete?

    That makes about as much sense as doing a 100yrd dash with someone on rollerblades.
  1. bizzy's Avatar
    time to lick paragon's asshole oh yeah get those brown noses ready boys
  1. starlite's Avatar
    This did not provide the raid with any extra loot, but it did eliminate a major portion of the RNG that would have been involved in simply doing personal runs for everyone.
    This is BS. The ENTIRE exploit is that is provided EXTRA loot, not just some improvement in RNG or a faster method of doing something they could have done legitimately by simply running more "personal runs for everyone". Every Character gets a chance at exactly ONE boss death per week, and if their loot didn't drop no amount of personal runs would fix that.What's most amazing... they had to know this would get them suspended. it happens every patch. they have sponsors... just about the dumbest thing ever
  1. AshleyRiot's Avatar
    Tis a shame. If only they stayed true to themselves and saw the bigger picture. Besides just 'the race'. I can understand why Blizzard had to go through with this punishment. Because this isn't exactly a skill related bug. Just an exploit to get more gear. And if everyone else starts doing it, it'll just get out of hand. And why not use the top guilds to set an example?
  1. raeloneq's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolman View Post
    Is there a difference? Paragon exploited the bug, blizzard should not apologize to them at all, and you mean suspension not ban. (Exploit of a bug does not ends up a perma ban at all, but most likely a few days suspension)

    Paragon's is paying for their "crimes" by having a good few days of suspension, just like in justice.

    You kill a man, you go to <Decided length of the sentence> (lets say 25 years) of the murder, even if the murderer's apologizing. <---just an example.

    Paragon's deserves every minute of their suspension, they WILLINGLY exploited the bug. Yet they are so pathetic for apologizing. If they are sorry, why did they exploited the big in the first place huh?

    What I am saying is, Paragon is not sorry for their actions at all, they are just putting the "sorry" face on.
    Ok, I agree they are apologizing just to look god. But, do you think people would have reacted this way if there would have been no apology at all? I think Paragon's mistake was to make this a big deal.
  1. dovahkiin23's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chaoslux View Post
    Its the other side, its a lose-lose situation for every top guild:

    A) Guilds that did it and got banned.
    B) Guilds that didnt do it may be good to get World Firsts, but they will be empty because the only reason they got those world firsts is because Paragon / Method / Envy are banned.
    100% agreed with this. it is lose-lose for all sides.

    btw, why so much extreme hate for your fellow gamers? they made a mistake and they most like won't do it again. most of posters here are in US and just don't like europe guild?
  1. Kimd's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Epsi View Post
    Who cares about an 'apology' of Paragon? Do they think they'll be forgiven that they willingly abused a bug?
    No, they say at the end that they accept whatever consequences.
  1. Karazee's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolman View Post
    What I am saying is, Paragon is not sorry for their actions at all, they are just putting the "sorry" face on.
    They, like so many others who break the law, are not sorry for what they did. They're only sorry they got caught.
  1. KDSwain's Avatar
    Just saw a news report on CNN that Finland has declared war against the US over the Paragon ban. Apparently they take their WoW Raiding very seriously.

    In a related story, Blizzard failed to ban vodka for 8 days for fear of pissing off the Russians.
  1. qrko's Avatar
    Hahaha, I planned to laugh out laud from Lolman's comparison of getting extra items to killing a man, but then I realized he is a Lolman and he makes people laugh. Good job sir.
  1. Kandi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by wilcox1232 View Post
    fix it before it goes live and it won't be a problem. You can't tell me NOBODY thought of this before it went live. They shouldn't have to apologize the game let them do it therefore its in the game.

    It is my understanding alot of guilds knew about the bug on the ptr and did not tell Blizz about it and let it go live then proceeded to use that bug to their advantage. I am so glad to see that Blizz is coming down hard on those who did this and to teach anyone no you arent going to cheat in this game.

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