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Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions
Blizzard finally commented on the Raid Finder Loot exploit resultingin multiple accounts suspensions in a lot of guilds.
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Shortly after patch 4.3 was released, we became aware that some players were abusing an exploit to obtain loot from the same Raid Finder bosses multiple times in a single raid lockout period (one week). The Raid Finder loot mechanic is of course intended to only allow a person to roll on boss loot drops once per raid lockout period. The raid lockout mechanic has been a mainstay of the World of Warcraft rules since Onyxia and Molten Core, ensuring that no one can obtain loot from a boss more than once per lockout. Due to the nature of the exploit and the clear intent of those who abused it, they've been issued notices and given temporary suspensions from the game. We’re also working to remove all Raid Finder items from those who used the exploit.

It's also worth noting that Paragon posted an apology on their website

An LFR Apology
There has been a lot of misinformation going around, so to clear things up, here is a truthful account of what exactly happened with the LFR and what we have to say about it:

The patch hit EU servers on Wednesday. We started off with our 5x Firelands runs to wrap up legendaries and called it a night. For Thursday, we had an elaborate plan to run a personal LFR raid for every main character to get the maximum amount of loot.

As we were doing the first few runs, we noticed an unrealistic amount of tier pieces on some guilds' armory profiles, which we thought was unattainable through normal means. We started looking into it, and found out that you can loot passed gear from bosses, regardless of save status, if you zone out and back into the instance. This did not provide the raid with any extra loot, but it did eliminate a major portion of the RNG that would have been involved in simply doing personal runs for everyone.

We acknowledge that using this unintended behavior, which was quite clearly a bug, to our gain, was wrong. The fact that others were using it as well is no justification for doing it ourselves. We apologize for doing it, and accept whatever consequences follow.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions, Paragon Apology started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. dephria's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Narcisse View Post
    I still don't accept the apology. Yes, they did write down a few meaningful words, but the only reason why they did such a thing was probably because they were threatened from their sponsors. Of course, and as usual, Sponsors don't support cheaters, so Paragon decided that they had to cover themselves up real quick before losing money. of course, I may be just getting dark side corruption points , but I still think this is little fake.
    i feel the same way, i think from ragnaros progress (when they make fun of the guy who tried announcing the ragnaros race on blizz forums) they are a douchebag guild, they only win any race coz they run five 25 man raids, with one 25 man they cant make the top10..., world first race is who can do more 25 mans / week... joke.
  1. rickastlee's Avatar
    the funniest part about this is they knew (or didn't) that a huge portion of the WoW elitists are looking at their profiles/specs/loot logs/achievements/etc and they still tried to exploit the bug. it reminds me of OJ Simpson going into a Las Vegas hotel thinking he'll be able to assault/rob a patron and not be picked up on the 3000 surveillance cams they have in the building.

    i think the greeks called that 'hubris'
  1. tuxedobob's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure the only thing they're sorry about is that they got caught.

    Should've been a lifetime ban.
  1. Nactox's Avatar
    I love how the hate is directed strictly at Paragon when so many of the other top guilds did the same. Method anyone? Ensidia? Envy? Show some looove!
  1. Lumocolor's Avatar
    Blizzard should have held off on banning people until the week of the 4.3 release. It would have been entertaining to watch all the QQ from the exploiting top tier guilds who would have fallen a week behind the clean guilds....lol.
  1. SiNz's Avatar
    A top ranked guild cheating to win? NOT POSSIBLE! Is this an early Aprils fools? It is right? Yer ofc it is.
  1. Aesacos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Onaturi View Post
    so what your saying is that a thief should just steal anything from a house, get caught and just return it all? And no other punishment involved.
    It has nothing to do with a thief stealing from a house. Those loots didn't belong to anyone. Nobody was hurt. It was just a bunch of players exploiting a bug. And as said in a post above, numerous exploits still exist in WoW and Blizzard does nothing about it. Of course they cheated, but looking at how Blizzard couldn't care less lately, who could blame them?

    All the hate about this LFR thing is just ridiculous. They did something wrong, for once Blizzard decided to issue some punishment. Case closed. Seriously isn't there more important things to do in life than bitch about something so insignificant?
  1. rickastlee's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nactox View Post
    I love how the hate is directed strictly at Paragon when so many of the other top guilds did the same. Method anyone? Ensidia? Envy? Show some looove!
    you're kind of right, but this update is titled "Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions, Paragon Apology"

    people are talking about them because that's the central focus of the post. it's not like haters wouldn't hate on other top guilds....
  1. Sonic018's Avatar
    Ok there are two parts in the story.
    First those who exploided the bug knowingly and abusively, well, thats what happens when you get caught. Its in the terms of Blizzard, and you signed up for it.

    For alll those who were in a group that exploided the bug and had supposedly no clue what was going on, well there I must sy that legally speaking, Blizzard has absolutely no right to ban them in anyy way. The conditions say that even if you did not exploit yourself, taking any form of advantage of being there, or knowing whats happening is sufficient. However the knowing part is to be proven by Blizzard, and the one thing I hate most about situations like this, is the people who have to pay just because they were not aware of what was happening.
    Truth is, it is well known that Blizzard does not care about the legal rights of their players (would you honestly try to sue them for your account ?) and thus just bans everyone. Fine for those who deserve it, but too bad nobody cares for those who dont.

    Generally, Blizzard is also repsonsible up to the point that they should take appropriate measures to prevent bugs and this seems a bit to easy for me, after the patch "slept" for quite a while on test realms...
  1. Agrias2x's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by tuxedobob View Post
    I'm pretty sure the only thing they're sorry about is that they got caught.

    Should've been a lifetime ban.
    You should get a lifetime ban for being stupid.
  1. Melkandor's Avatar
    The funny part is, is that they called it a bug, when it's clearly an exploit.
  1. Petrix's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic018 View Post
    Ok there are two parts in the story.
    First those who exploided the bug knowingly and abusively, well, thats what happens when you get caught. Its in the terms of Blizzard, and you signed up for it.

    For alll those who were in a group that exploided the bug and had supposedly no clue what was going on, well there I must sy that legally speaking, Blizzard has absolutely no right to ban them in anyy way.
    Actually legally speaking blizzard can bann who ever they want, whenever they want. U do not own your account or any of the items on it. Its all blizzards, and u agreed to that when u made the account.
    So legally speaking, they can bann u for walking in cirkles.
  1. dovahkiin23's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Elerion View Post
    I love how the only guild that actually has the balls to make a public apology seems to be getting 90% of the community's hate directed at them, it's like people are forgetting that Ensidia, Envy, Method and others did the exact same thing Paragon did and had the exact same reasoning Paragon did (other's did it so we did it too to remain competitive). Hypocrisy at it's finest from the community when we take into account that most other top guilds exploit just as much as Paragon does.
    QFT.

    Heres hoping Paragon or Method still come back strong and show the world (of warcraft) what is up and get 1st and 2nd kills. With such a big lead by these other "innocent" guild *1 week head start* it may be tough but I think these two guild can pull it off. Imagine the forum QQs once that happen
  1. Kronicles's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dela2k10 View Post
    This pretty much sums it all up:
    This picture is priceless! LMAO!
  1. croana's Avatar
    That's not much of an apology. That's thinly veiled QQ: "We were only doing it because everyone else was. We only did Firelands on night one, honest." A world ranked guild with corporate sponsors should hold themselves to a higher standard. And if they can't do it, then Blizz should do it for them.
  1. Oxyra's Avatar
    Meanwhile, everyone over looks Stars having two Firelands lockouts per week. Hence being able to get DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF LEGENDARY STAVES, COMPARED TO EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GAME.
  1. Altarion's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic018 View Post
    Ok there are two parts in the story.
    First those who exploided the bug knowingly and abusively, well, thats what happens when you get caught. Its in the terms of Blizzard, and you signed up for it.

    For alll those who were in a group that exploided the bug and had supposedly no clue what was going on, well there I must sy that legally speaking, Blizzard has absolutely no right to ban them in anyy way. The conditions say that even if you did not exploit yourself, taking any form of advantage of being there, or knowing whats happening is sufficient. However the knowing part is to be proven by Blizzard, and the one thing I hate most about situations like this, is the people who have to pay just because they were not aware of what was happening.
    Truth is, it is well known that Blizzard does not care about the legal rights of their players (would you honestly try to sue them for your account ?) and thus just bans everyone. Fine for those who deserve it, but too bad nobody cares for those who dont.

    Generally, Blizzard is also repsonsible up to the point that they should take appropriate measures to prevent bugs and this seems a bit to easy for me, after the patch "slept" for quite a while on test realms...
    Agree with this. Blizzard have used a sledgehammer to sort out a small itch, the impact of which has caught a lot of innocents.

    But like you said, they care little for the individual legal rights of players. If they did, they'd have not got into this mess.
  1. Ascendant's Avatar
    Good to see them taking it like men.
  1. velde046's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by croana View Post
    That's not much of an apology. That's thinly veiled QQ: "We were only doing it because everyone else was. We only did Firelands on night one, honest." A world ranked guild with corporate sponsors should hold themselves to a higher standard. And if they can't do it, then Blizz should do it for them.
    THat was a decent apology. They said they did abuse it and that others doing it too didnt make it right. And theyl'll accept the consequences. How is that not an apology? Think you are trying to read something into it really.
    And I do agree they shouldn't have done it, but instead reported it.
  1. Deffry's Avatar
    In the moments like this, WoW community shows, that big part of its player base are envious, evil, nationalist kids.

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