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Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions
Blizzard finally commented on the Raid Finder Loot exploit resultingin multiple accounts suspensions in a lot of guilds.
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Shortly after patch 4.3 was released, we became aware that some players were abusing an exploit to obtain loot from the same Raid Finder bosses multiple times in a single raid lockout period (one week). The Raid Finder loot mechanic is of course intended to only allow a person to roll on boss loot drops once per raid lockout period. The raid lockout mechanic has been a mainstay of the World of Warcraft rules since Onyxia and Molten Core, ensuring that no one can obtain loot from a boss more than once per lockout. Due to the nature of the exploit and the clear intent of those who abused it, they've been issued notices and given temporary suspensions from the game. We’re also working to remove all Raid Finder items from those who used the exploit.

It's also worth noting that Paragon posted an apology on their website

An LFR Apology
There has been a lot of misinformation going around, so to clear things up, here is a truthful account of what exactly happened with the LFR and what we have to say about it:

The patch hit EU servers on Wednesday. We started off with our 5x Firelands runs to wrap up legendaries and called it a night. For Thursday, we had an elaborate plan to run a personal LFR raid for every main character to get the maximum amount of loot.

As we were doing the first few runs, we noticed an unrealistic amount of tier pieces on some guilds' armory profiles, which we thought was unattainable through normal means. We started looking into it, and found out that you can loot passed gear from bosses, regardless of save status, if you zone out and back into the instance. This did not provide the raid with any extra loot, but it did eliminate a major portion of the RNG that would have been involved in simply doing personal runs for everyone.

We acknowledge that using this unintended behavior, which was quite clearly a bug, to our gain, was wrong. The fact that others were using it as well is no justification for doing it ourselves. We apologize for doing it, and accept whatever consequences follow.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions, Paragon Apology started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. Bahska's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by qwikz View Post
    No need trying to save face paragon, youre now branded as cheaters
    Same with all the other guilds who cheated, oh but we don't know who they are cause there hiding.
  1. Blood Crusade's Avatar
    While I support them being temporarily suspended, cheaters gunna cheat. It will probably happen again.
  1. Gladzilla's Avatar
    Lmao... Gonna be funny when they still turn around and probably get world first... inb4 PARAGON BUNCH OF CHEATERS HERPA DERP DERP DURRRRRRRRRR People take this stuff way too serious ._.
  1. Agoonga's Avatar
    Exploited the loot rules? Seems more like a Renegade thing to do...
  1. Thallidomaniac's Avatar
    Meh, the punishment wasn't enough. Clearly Blizzard had to give out additional punishments such as forced sterilization of the exploiters, savage beatings of the exploiters, forced rapings of the exploiters regardless of their gender, acts of terrorism on the exploiters, pressing criminal charges against them, and even mass executions of the LFR exploiters, to give a true lesson not to mess around with glitches like that.*

    *Not like they would, but it would probably do more justice if they did so.
  1. Ashmanx's Avatar
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeP6CpUnfc0
  1. pzijderv's Avatar
    we accept the concequences... as if they had any choice in the matter
  1. KDSwain's Avatar
    All over Finland tonight Paragon fanboys are handing over their accounts to Paragon members for the week. Check the membership of Paragon this week and see how many people are added to the guild.
  1. Sarac's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Catratbat View Post
    Atleast they said sorry
    Not really worth anything after they got banned, if they did before it might have been a serious sorry.
  1. Fiercethirst's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aerisot View Post
    Pretty sure they will just create new accounts and transfer there mains over to it.
    there accounts are closed when banned meaning they cant transfer anything or log in untill the ban suspension is up...it is literally a week off without mains if they made a new account they would have to start from scratch.
  1. meckina's Avatar
    Paragon are, well used to be, the best guild in the world. When they saw this bug they should have reported it. Not exploited it. It was greed and greed alone.

    Enjoy your ban.
  1. wilcox1232's Avatar
    fix it before it goes live and it won't be a problem. You can't tell me NOBODY thought of this before it went live. They shouldn't have to apologize the game let them do it therefore its in the game.
  1. snuffglops's Avatar
    "The fact that others were using it as well is no justification for doing it ourselves."

    I just cannot agree with that. I could have gotten away with that statement. ALL of my friends in this game could have gotten away with that statement. But Paragon is probably the best PvE guild in the world. They're going to do virtually everything they can to keep it that way. When they see that other people are taking advantage of a bug that could give them a decent enough edge to get a world first, they're going to take it. And so, if I were leading Paragon, that would have been my reply to Blizzard. "We do everything we can to remain the most competitive PvE guild in the world. If other people are taking advantage of a bug that Blizzard should have gotten fixed on PTR, then we're going to do the same thing."

    It kind of reminds of people taking steroids in Major League Baseball. By the time the era was at an end, you had so many players saying that they were doing it just because so many other people were as well, and they didn't want to lose their edge in the game.
  1. Maximus4004's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aerisot View Post
    Pretty sure they will just create new accounts and transfer there mains over to it.
    You can't transfer characters on a suspended account.
  1. Dela2k10's Avatar
    This pretty much sums it all up:
  1. Makronette's Avatar
    I am glad they apologised but it doesn't excuse them from using the "but they were doing it too" excuse, the bans are justified and I'm happy Blizzard dished them out on all those who deserved them. I still hope Paragon manage world first, might be a bit more of a challenge with them and many other tops guild missing a week of raiding as Heroic DW is released...
  1. prinah's Avatar
    Why is Paragon apologizing? Go enjoy your vacation, scrubs.
  1. Luckyfool's Avatar
    clearly seeing other guilds getting ahead of them brought out the worst in a very competitive guild. Id do it, and I guarantee most of us here would too.
  1. dazmar's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Awfulx View Post
    Hopefully this knocks Paragon out of world firsts in every way shape and form. They knew they were cheating.
    What about Ensidia, Method, Envy, and who knows what other guilds?

    I don't get why people single out Paragon. At least they owned up to it.
  1. greyghost's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by dharock View Post
    can anybody explain to me the gain to replace 397 ilvl with 384 beside getting new tier ?
    The set bonuses.

    This is a good time for you to look up the set bonuses for the tank sets, especially. Warriors and Paladin tanks get a massive raid-damage reducing cooldown that's absolutely indispensable for hard modes.

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