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Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions
Blizzard finally commented on the Raid Finder Loot exploit resultingin multiple accounts suspensions in a lot of guilds.
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Shortly after patch 4.3 was released, we became aware that some players were abusing an exploit to obtain loot from the same Raid Finder bosses multiple times in a single raid lockout period (one week). The Raid Finder loot mechanic is of course intended to only allow a person to roll on boss loot drops once per raid lockout period. The raid lockout mechanic has been a mainstay of the World of Warcraft rules since Onyxia and Molten Core, ensuring that no one can obtain loot from a boss more than once per lockout. Due to the nature of the exploit and the clear intent of those who abused it, they've been issued notices and given temporary suspensions from the game. We’re also working to remove all Raid Finder items from those who used the exploit.

It's also worth noting that Paragon posted an apology on their website

An LFR Apology
There has been a lot of misinformation going around, so to clear things up, here is a truthful account of what exactly happened with the LFR and what we have to say about it:

The patch hit EU servers on Wednesday. We started off with our 5x Firelands runs to wrap up legendaries and called it a night. For Thursday, we had an elaborate plan to run a personal LFR raid for every main character to get the maximum amount of loot.

As we were doing the first few runs, we noticed an unrealistic amount of tier pieces on some guilds' armory profiles, which we thought was unattainable through normal means. We started looking into it, and found out that you can loot passed gear from bosses, regardless of save status, if you zone out and back into the instance. This did not provide the raid with any extra loot, but it did eliminate a major portion of the RNG that would have been involved in simply doing personal runs for everyone.

We acknowledge that using this unintended behavior, which was quite clearly a bug, to our gain, was wrong. The fact that others were using it as well is no justification for doing it ourselves. We apologize for doing it, and accept whatever consequences follow.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions, Paragon Apology started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. Gritalian's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Drekavac View Post
    I think the funniest thing about all this is the people that actually care.... those who actually care about getting "world firsts" in a f'n game...and those will never have a chance at getting them being fanboys for those who do. It's a game...go take your "world firsts" to a job interview and see if they respect you for it. Get a life people, you need to rediscover what "game" means.
    People spend leisure time commenting on things in a video game.
    You spend leisure time commenting on the people who spend leisure time commenting on things in a video game.

    Who needs to "get a life" more than the other?
  1. Etou's Avatar
    Newsflash: Top Raid guilds cheat all the time, which is why I care less about world first crap. They bot, they exploit, they do anything to get an advantage. There's been an entire bot network consisting of one AH bot fed by several farming/crafting bots on my server now for almost a year that is run by the top guild on the server. The reason everyone knows is that this guild is dumb as rocks when it comes to covering their tracks. They leave the AH bot logged in 24/7 and all their alts are named as obvious variations to their mains, and those some of those alts are in the same guild as the bots. I've seen this on several servers now. I wouldn't be surprised if top raiding guilds are just responsible for the bots on a server as the gold farmers are.
  1. deva's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by TheJester210 View Post
    They're only sorry they got caught..
    Yeah, like we were trying to cover it up ?
  1. Tanthalus's Avatar
    and the fail US guilds who abused LFR as master loot? thats exploitng and cheating just as much - take 22 alts whio are saved so 1 of 3 mains can get the tier token.
  1. Airath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSwain View Post
    All over Finland tonight Paragon fanboys are handing over their accounts to Paragon members for the week. Check the membership of Paragon this week and see how many people are added to the guild.

    Good one. Report every single one of them so they get banned for account sharing.
  1. bullgrim's Avatar
    I dont understand the basis of posting an apology of something you knew you were doing wrong to begin with.. thats like cheating on your wife, then going and saying sorry.. you knew what you were doing, you did it anyway.. if you were -really- sorry you wouldn't have done it in the first place and took the moral high ground.

    like Blood Legion, here's hoping BL now gets the world first, since they were one of the only guilds to not jump on the cheating bandwagon, and instead chose to take the moral high ground. kudos to them.
  1. finbarr's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tmoney511 View Post
    So people get punished for Blizzards mistake in not finding this bug.....
    This reminds me of the scene in "The Hangover" where Alan says that they deserve a reward for finding the police car.
  1. Grooes's Avatar
    Yeah, sorry they got caught...
  1. Paulosio's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kazih View Post
    What do people mean when they say "They're only sorry because they got caught". All the top guilds were certain the exploit would be public, only reason they did it was because they didnt expect blizzard to bann them due to what happened with earlier exploits ovet the years.
    Ok. "They are only sorry they didn't get away with it" and possibly that they lost a few of their army of fanbois.
  1. Etou's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zivy View Post
    Bottom line. Cheaters gonna cheat. So many of the top guilds in the world exploit the game to some degree. Does it affect the rest of the player base? No, probably not.
    Many top raiding guilds have bot networks for mats/money making to support their raiding. This does effect the normal player base quite a bit.
  1. Moonlitdrop's Avatar
    I really find it Hilarious everyone bashing on Paragon for doing something EVERY OTHER GUILD HAS DONE THIS WEEK. Does noone even pay attention? YOu cant bash on one Top 10 Raiding guild without bashing on them all for doing the same shit. Just cause Paragon posted an apology, everyone seems to be stuck up their asses trying to get blizzard to permaban them when they are at no more fault then the other guilds. Go complain somewhere else about this. They said they were sorry, whats done is done. They get the 8 day ban. Its all up to blizzard what they do, and does not concern any of you casuals or what you think. Just let them all deal with it.
  1. hugsofdeath's Avatar
    Below is a copy of the blue post that just came out with the paragon apology thread, but I think it readsdifferently then it is probably intended to. To me it reads that if you down a boss but it drops nothing you want, you pass on everything (not rolling), and then you can kill that boss again hoping it drops what you want??

    I doubt that is the way blizzard has intended it to be.. Any thoughts?


    Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    Shortly after patch 4.3 was released, we became aware that some players were abusing an exploit to obtain loot from the same Raid Finder bosses multiple times in a single raid lockout period (one week). The Raid Finder loot mechanic is of course intended to only allow a person to roll on boss loot drops once per raid lockout period. The raid lockout mechanic has been a mainstay of the World of Warcraft rules since Onyxia and Molten Core, ensuring that no one can obtain loot from a boss more than once per lockout. Due to the nature of the exploit and the clear intent of those who abused it, they've been issued notices and given temporary suspensions from the game. We’re also working to remove all Raid Finder items from those who used the exploit.
  1. jayremy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Gritalian View Post
    It's similar to Tournament Theory. Paragon is at the top, they are promoted as the best guild, which in turns creates an environment where 10,000 guilds strive to play at that level where reality is maybe 10 guilds actually have that possibility. But as such, it creates a sense of competition that is then applied to servers, where you have guilds who finish weeks if not months behind Paragon, yet are competing against guilds on their server for server firsts.

    Paragon is the figurehead for competitive raiding, as they are on the top. Raiding guilds striving to be first just on their server are influenced by the best guild(s) in the world. It's the same way kids in little league look up to MLB players. Then you find out that the guild that inspires you to perform better is cheating and taking short cuts, and it kind of diminishes what they are all about.

    If they are cheating for LFR gear, you have to question what other tactics they've used in the past. Ensidia fell out of favor with the WoW community when using the saronite bombs on Lich King, I imagine this will result in the same for Paragon.
    If so why should lowbie players be getting week long bans for it then, they play to their own means, not some competitive ladder.

    I know wtf an exploit is and the ToS, I already known Blizzard has rights and control over everything I just disagree with it ALL.

    I think its a stupid concept to excuse themselves for their mistakes but say "fuck all you guys, for being tempted by raining money (aka loot)"

    I think the most moral fair way, is to remover gear all gains from it, then start everybody off fresh like it never happened. When both parties are at fault, not one side should be punished while the other can sit back comfortably. Besides I am pretty sure this bug has been reported, there are millions of players they are just being the big ol Blizzard they are people keep saying it like its some secret that NOBODY else would figure out. A bug like that is quite 'in the face' of players not something you go out of your way to do or grief people by any extreme manner, that requires research, timing, scripts or hacks.
  1. morainesedai's Avatar
    WOW, people humbly accepting a just punishment. I'm both shocked and impressed. Bad Paragon for using an exploit, good Paragon for accepting the consequences.
  1. Kellytm3's Avatar
    Paragon members who did this should have gotten perma banned,as well as Paragon should never be allowed to do raid testing for Blizzard anymore.Since that guild is supposedly held in high regard by some people,their punishment should be more severe.
  1. belgicanofl's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanthalus View Post
    and the fail US guilds who abused LFR as master loot? thats exploitng and cheating just as much - take 22 alts whio are saved so 1 of 3 mains can get the tier token.
    The way you distribute loot in LFR doesn't matter, it only matters if you loot a boss and don't get locked to it and can loot the same boss again.

    You are perfectly allowed to queue with 25 raiders and award loot as you wish ONCE a week PER boss.
  1. brff15's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Grooes View Post
    Yeah, sorry they got caught...
    This, above this text.
  1. Karapoyraz's Avatar
    people who bashed blizzard for allowing exploits in wow also must say apology. But i think they wont be come out of thier caves for like 6 months because of shame.
  1. Luu's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Drekavac View Post
    Um...no? ustupidbro?
    You know ALL I see if QQing about this exploit. Yes they did something wrong so did everyone else in the top guilds(not all). I trust blizzard when they say they will fix this been with this game for so long and I have had issues and stuff but they always fix it. I think everyone should just back off what done is done. They got banned for a bit and they will learn their lesson. They and other guilds will come back on top like always. Even tho on there site they did say sorry I do agree it does not make it right what they did.


    An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] It is often colloquially abbreviated sploit. Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating; however, the precise determination of what is or is not considered an exploit can be controversial. This debate stems from a number of factors but typically involves the argument that the issues are part of the game and require no changes or external programs to take advantage of them.

    That is the meaning of exploit. So for all you retards do not do it .....Happy gaming


    Infracted; please don't call names.
  1. Grooes's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus4004 View Post
    Alot of people forget that the week off from jobs the guild members applied for was the week that they were banned. It will not only set them back the 8 days of the lockout, it will mess with the RL of many of their players who took the wrong week off for competetive raiding(most employers wont let you just switch weeks because you were banned), I will be completely surprised if any of those guilds catch up and break top 10. Unless the stuff is just ludicrously difficult.
    thats cute, you assume they have jobs ;-)

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