MMO-Champion - Items - New Class Restrictions 12/13/2011
Update - The Community Managers also posted about this change.
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
As a part of the on-going evaluation of Looking For Raid and the loot system, we have recently implemented a change to the Looking For Raid Need Plus system. Weapons, trinkets, rings, neck pieces, shields, offhand items, and the Robe of Glowing Stone are now class-restricted to their intended users. With the speed at which a Raid Finder group moves through a zone, we’ve found that it makes it challenging for players to evaluate loot decisions – by class restricting these items, we hope that the natural behavior will have a more positive set of results for everyone involved. This change will not apply to normal or heroic raid or dungeon loot rules.

Raid Finder and Need Plus are both very new systems, and we’re working to iterate on these systems rapidly to ensure that everyone has the best possible experience as we learn more about how players are using the system. Please keep in mind that this system is not considered complete and we have further plans to improve upon it within Mists of Pandaria.

If you looted an item from Looking for Raid which replaced another and you need Game Master assistance to recover your old item, please place a petition with the new item name, that you can no longer use it - and the old item name you need restored. For more information on the affected items, please visit the Customer Support forums here- http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3729953854#1

We apologize for the inconvenience.

Items - New Class Restrictions 12/13/2011
You might have noticed strange behaviors with some of your newly acquired items and some people posted about changes on the forums today, the official explanation appeared on the Customer Support forums!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
Some items were recently reclassified. You may find yourself in possession of one of these items and are no longer able to use it.

If this item replaced another and you need Game Master assistance to recover your old item, please place a petition with the new item name, that you can no long use it - and the old item name you need restored.

The following are the items that have changed with new/changed class restrictions (LFR Versions).

Weapons

Trinkets

Shields


Rings

Offhand

Neck

Chest
This article was originally published in forum thread: Items - New Class Restrictions 12/13/2011 started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 265 Comments
  1. Rukh's Avatar
    Well apparently every weapon is NOT a hunter weapon!Also expecting much rage about DKs being able to use souldrinker, since it's 1h and that means they will be dps.

    Also, I'm feeling very unlucky! From reading the comments, as a DK it looks like I should expect to win every single roll. twice.
  1. Kinslayer's Avatar
    Piece of shit Balance Druid won both the Agi Trinket and Polearm...then another agi trinket drops on my next class and another POS Balance wins it..
  1. miguelcrespo85's Avatar
    ok.. here it shows that Gurthalak have 3894 dmg from LFR but when u look at the weapon in game it shows 3500.. whats wrong there?
  1. fwc577's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rukh View Post
    Well apparently every weapon is NOT a hunter weapon!Also expecting much rage about DKs being able to use souldrinker, since it's 1h and that means they will be dps.

    Also, I'm feeling very unlucky! From reading the comments, as a DK it looks like I should expect to win every single roll. twice.
    http://simulationcraft.org/430/DK_DW...omparison.html

    Yes, DK's shouldn't be allowed to roll for their BiS gear because Warriors and Paladin's can use it and decided it's a tanking weapon. Thanks for the update pal!

    Here is ranking for ya incase your too lazy to click link of frost DK weapons,
    1-Souldrink Heroic
    2-Hand of Marchok Heroic
    3-Souldrink Normal
    4-Hand of Marchok Normal
    5-Souldrinker Raid Finder
    6-Nokaled-Heroic

    Also, people keep QQing regarding it being a tank weapon, you can make the arguement that it is 1-handed therefore was designed for frost DK's.
  1. caninepawprints's Avatar
    So what are they going to do about the players who Need on an item just because they can? They're stealing from players who legitimately want to equip the item.
  1. Vladilena's Avatar
    Oh well. Now I will no longer be dragged into LFR to need on daggers and agility rings/trinkets for my rogue friend.
  1. Idletime's Avatar
    I find it unbelievable people in this game are such big Dbags or that out of tune with the game that they had to do this. But oh well, a victory for raiders everywhere.
  1. thunderdragon2's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Demonidze View Post
    thats good change, but its just not enough, make your loot system to recognise specs and give loot based on that.
    the deathwing weps alredy do that so why cant the all do that and be4 u say they dont

    try rolling on the spell dps wep as a resto shammy and ull see that u dont get a roll bonus
  1. Keosi's Avatar
    Any word on a change for the feral drood and enhance shaman rolling on a intel trink w/a roll bonus?
  1. thunderdragon2's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Keosi View Post
    Any word on a change for the feral drood and enhance shaman rolling on a intel trink w/a roll bonus?
    nope but i want boomies/eles to be no longer able to role on agi stuff with bonus ofc
  1. Hek's Avatar
    Just yesterday a paladin tank got the roll bonus on the 2hd str weapon, so clearly adjustments still need to be made. A tank dk I understand, but not tank pally.
  1. Keosi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    nope but i want boomies/eles to be no longer able to role on agi stuff with bonus ofc
    Thats the downside to this shitfest that we call LFR. I as a warlock have no option to roll on anything else, these f'n "hybrid" classes can do whatever the fuck they want.
  1. thunderdragon2's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Keosi View Post
    Thats the downside to this shitfest that we call LFR. I as a warlock have no option to roll on anything else, these f'n "hybrid" classes can do whatever the fuck they want.
    i agree unfortunatly i can only hope so they ajust it for spec be4 mop and 4.3 was ment to be the test for this
  1. Durandro's Avatar
    Undoubtably they did this because of the huge influx of tickets made because of classes rolling need on items they can't even make proper use out of, and the system still gave them a role bonus.

    I had a copy-paste reply from a GM yesterday which annoyed me so much because it was obviously my ticket hasn't been read (as I never mentioned ninja looting, only pointing out the problem in the system and suggesting passing on feedback to the devs) that I wrote another ticket in complaint about the lack of effort made on the GM's part to even address my concern. Anal, perhaps, but my goodness I can't stand that sort of 'customer support'.

    Especially when most GM's are great, its a shock to the system when one is rubbish.

    Just wish this change had been made sooner.

    ---------- Post added 2011-12-15 at 01:26 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by darkthunder View Post
    It's not just the armor. It's the "aesthetic", i.e the LOOK your character has overall.

    TL;DR: Grab the shield, and leave the off-hand items for those it's meant for.
    If Blizzard wants me to use a shield instead of an offhand, they need to make the stats better. Honestly, why would I want to lose out on 30 intellect (40 if I gem with an epic) for a small amount of secondary stats and some armour? I'll take the offhand the moment I can get it on normal, thanks.

    ---------- Post added 2011-12-15 at 01:39 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by mevidoh View Post
    sooooo hunters can no longer DW an AP Agility axe, gg blizz, tho i guess im mists it wont mater anyway
    An agility axe with a MELEE PROC.

    If you're using that, then you're a scrub. Plain and simple.

    Oh, and Warrior/Paladin tanks? Stop complaining that Frost DK's and SMF Warriors roll need on Souldrinker. Its their BiS too, and they have few enough options as it is.
  1. Kantgrinder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Blizzard View Post
    Some items were recently reclassified. You may find yourself in possession of one of these items and are no longer able to use it.

    If this item replaced another and you need Game Master assistance to recover your old item, please place a petition with the new item name, that you can no long use it - and the old item name you need restored.
    Bullsh*t. If you replaced an item with one you are no longer able to use now, you deserve to be f*cked, seriously, DKs with AGI polearms, Warriors with AGI Bows, Hunters with STR Weapons... No mercy for clueless ninjas!
  1. fwc577's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kantgrinder View Post
    Bullsh*t. If you replaced an item with one you are no longer able to use now, you deserve to be f*cked, seriously, DKs with AGI polearms, Warriors with AGI Bows, Hunters with STR Weapons... No mercy for clueless ninjas!
    Completely agree. It is annoying the level of a-holes present in this game. I came back thanks to a combination of 4.3, deals being offered, etc. I have been playing a blood DK and tanking instances. Here is what I lost rolls on while queing up as a tank over the last two days...

    Carrier Wave Pendant x 1
    Headcover of Fog x 1
    Billowing Cape x 2
    Heart of Thunder x 1 (Won another on a later run)
    Porcelian Crab x 1
    Phosphorescent Cape x 1
    Leaden Despair x 1

    It pisses me off because by the time someone is actually going to consider gearing and tanking if they are already a DPS spec this stuff is pretty much going to be useless to them.

    I have been reconsidering rolling on DPS stuff just because.
  1. Sesshou's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kantgrinder View Post
    Bullsh*t. If you replaced an item with one you are no longer able to use now, you deserve to be f*cked, seriously, DKs with AGI polearms, Warriors with AGI Bows, Hunters with STR Weapons... No mercy for clueless ninjas!
    Um if it was a legitimate upgrade why should they be screwed exactly? We had a guild lfr run where an alt rogue replaced a 359 weapon with a 384 strength axe. I also play a rogue, and such a massive ilvl jump is a dps gain even though its not an agi weapon. So how is it fair that he can no longer use his legitimate upgrade (which wasn't ninja'd)?
  1. Kantgrinder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sesshou View Post
    Um if it was a legitimate upgrade why should they be screwed exactly? We had a guild lfr run where an alt rogue replaced a 359 weapon with a 384 strength axe. I also play a rogue, and such a massive ilvl jump is a dps gain even though its not an agi weapon. So how is it fair that he can no longer use his legitimate upgrade (which wasn't ninja'd)?
    Ok, first of all, he shouldn't carry a 359 weapon in such a raid, even in LFR. If you decide to pull him through, ok, but then you could also pull him through new dungeons, I'm pretty sure a 378 AGI weapon is better than an 384 STR weapon for a rogue.
    Then, there's the nearly effortless obtainable set of 397 daggers from the legendary chain, which makes me want to vomit on all lower daggers that drop in DS raids, stealing potential drops for classes that don't get BOTH their weapons presented on a silver plate.
    And even if he only likes playing combat and needs a slow mainhand, I guess it's not that hard to find a new one, better than 359. But the real Ninjas should really be punished or at least shown that they are wrong.
  1. Nulls's Avatar
    Completely agree with all the new loot rules personally. I DON'T agree with the way the item changes have taken place. As a healadin I have had the Ledger of Revolting Rituals removed from me being able to use it dropping my ilvl down to 355 from 377 mean effectively I am not supposed to be able to heal in a heroic or LFR. Best part to this whole problem is blizzards estimated response time is 5 - 6 days before they look at my ticket leaving me in a shit situation. I don't see why they didn't change the loot rules moving forward or substitute the items for usable ones for players that lost their items. e.g. Replacing Ledger of Revolting Rituals with Timepiece of the Bronze Flight. It pisses me off to know that I worked to get the ilvl requirement to get into LFR and then I have my items taken away from me with absolutely no replacement or attempt to fix the issue they created. I have been pretty content up until now with the decisions that Blizzard have made but as time goes on it seems they care more about fixing the problem with the least amount of internal development cost they can with no regard to the players. A newer game perhaps might make this effort to keep its customers happy, though unlikely will be as good as wow... for now.
  1. coolflame's Avatar
    Yay! My huntard is now ****ed because he had the Razor Saronite Chip and Electrowing Dagger equipped and gemmed. He has no other weapon because I sold the previous weapon (it was really bad...) but now because of this hotfix I can't even queue lfr because I have no weapons! I am really mad at blizzard for this, did not even reimburse me my gem or my staff I vendored... this ticket I have in better not actually take the 6days 17hrs it says it will.

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