MMO-Champion - Items - New Class Restrictions 12/13/2011
Update - The Community Managers also posted about this change.
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
As a part of the on-going evaluation of Looking For Raid and the loot system, we have recently implemented a change to the Looking For Raid Need Plus system. Weapons, trinkets, rings, neck pieces, shields, offhand items, and the Robe of Glowing Stone are now class-restricted to their intended users. With the speed at which a Raid Finder group moves through a zone, we’ve found that it makes it challenging for players to evaluate loot decisions – by class restricting these items, we hope that the natural behavior will have a more positive set of results for everyone involved. This change will not apply to normal or heroic raid or dungeon loot rules.

Raid Finder and Need Plus are both very new systems, and we’re working to iterate on these systems rapidly to ensure that everyone has the best possible experience as we learn more about how players are using the system. Please keep in mind that this system is not considered complete and we have further plans to improve upon it within Mists of Pandaria.

If you looted an item from Looking for Raid which replaced another and you need Game Master assistance to recover your old item, please place a petition with the new item name, that you can no longer use it - and the old item name you need restored. For more information on the affected items, please visit the Customer Support forums here- http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3729953854#1

We apologize for the inconvenience.

Items - New Class Restrictions 12/13/2011
You might have noticed strange behaviors with some of your newly acquired items and some people posted about changes on the forums today, the official explanation appeared on the Customer Support forums!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
Some items were recently reclassified. You may find yourself in possession of one of these items and are no longer able to use it.

If this item replaced another and you need Game Master assistance to recover your old item, please place a petition with the new item name, that you can no long use it - and the old item name you need restored.

The following are the items that have changed with new/changed class restrictions (LFR Versions).

Weapons

Trinkets

Shields


Rings

Offhand

Neck

Chest
This article was originally published in forum thread: Items - New Class Restrictions 12/13/2011 started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 265 Comments
  1. emanresu's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nelle View Post
    Swap the expertise with any of the two missing stats (crit/haste) and it will be BiS second ring over the valor one, who have haste/mastery. EOD !

    This expertise ring is nothing but a brainfart by Blizzard, no matter how people try to defend it.
    Maybe you've been lucky so far but as an Ele Shaman in T12 my BiS belt was the 378 vendor one and BiS trinket was the 359 DMC:V which I've had equipped for about a year now. Other classes have had it far worse.
  1. Ap0calypse's Avatar
    I'm so glad SWTOR has loot bags so when I play that I wont have to put up with this retarded shit. 6 years I've had to put up with this shit random loot system. Jesus. I find it pretty ridiculous when a band of players fight and kill the boss that not all of them are rewarded for doing so.
  1. Rolly's Avatar
    wtf........
  1. Mang's Avatar
    Not good enough. I ran LFR earlier on my enhance shaman and lost agi gear to a elemental shaman (who was doing 15k dps but that's another story) I hope Blizzard goes a step further with spec specific gear rolls.
  1. Demonidze's Avatar
    thats good change, but its just not enough, make your loot system to recognise specs and give loot based on that.
  1. XristyfeR's Avatar
    Talk about not seeing the forest because of the trees. So many people don't see past their own opinion its crazy. We had to know this was going to be bad, because of the bad people and how bad people act towards one another. Blizzard is trying (which they should have put these things in at the start derp) to get this new system working, and by the time MoP comes around it should be in 5 mans and will detect spec. People will need stuff because of greed and stupidity just as much as people will need because its an up.

    I like how some people state, well pallies/shammy use shields get over it, with the offhand issue. This would be coming from either a priest or a mage that I bet if a mace or sword had dropped that had Int (without Hit etc) and a pally won it, would be rope-able if they were told get over it, you can use daggers. Its hit and miss guys. Loot is random, people take what they need, but just remember when you sign up for Looking For Retards, that's what you might get.

    For that most part, people have their 10/25mans and use LFR for fillers/Alts. If you don't like a random bunch of people get into an organised guild group and do 10 or 25's, hell, get 8/15 organised people into a LFR if you cant raid regular, and then if your not willing to do that, then you just have to deal with it (the loot issues that is) until a better system comes along.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ap0calypse View Post
    I'm so glad SWTOR has loot bags so when I play that I wont have to put up with this retarded shit. 6 years I've had to put up with this shit random loot system. Jesus. I find it pretty ridiculous when a band of players fight and kill the boss that not all of them are rewarded for doing so.
    Whats the VP / JP for again? And if you got everything you wanted from every kill, what would be the point of coming back next week?
  1. hugsofdeath's Avatar
    Make it spec specific or stfu. Frost DKs winnin Gurthalak is BS or Holy Pally winning it for OS. Neither one of them should get the need bonus.I love the LFR system but the looting is a joke.
  1. Dazzy's Avatar
    "With the speed at which a Raid Finder group moves through a zone, we’ve found that it makes it challenging for players to evaluate loot decisions" - Blizzard


    So people are being douches and hitting need on everything they can because they're killing stuff just so fast that they can't stop and look to see if it has the correct stats for their class in the 3 seconds before the next boss encounter starts.

    I see.

    OT: It's a huge step in the right direction, this fix took ONE coder MAYBE 15 minutes to implement. Should have been in before launch. The spec related items will take a bit longer obviously.
  1. Sidone's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rugz View Post
    Pathetic state of the game when people need to be told what gear fits them, at max level no less, in (supposedly) the endgame for casual players.
    Pathetic state of the lfr playerbase you mean. It's nothing about the game. More the epic dollar-signs in your average player in said game.
  1. Agent Mercury's Avatar
    This comes too late for me. No'Kaled taken by a paladin and customer service was horrendous when I tried to get it restored to me. This is even after the paladin admitting to not needing it. All they did was give me the same excuse...when I re-opened to further inquire I got a copy paste. The item sucked but the customer service killed it for me...after playing since Vanilla. TOR came just in time. Still sucks though because now my account will be in bad standing after refusing payments due to the annual pass.
  1. SickCilia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by hugsofdeath View Post
    Make it spec specific or stfu. Frost DKs winnin Gurthalak is BS or Holy Pally winning it for OS. Neither one of them should get the need bonus.I love the LFR system but the looting is a joke.
    Interesting, Not like a Frost dk can't use a two hander instead of two one handers ? if its a dps upgrade its an upgrade. I would much rather respec into using a two hand weapon over using my crappy 378's.

    ---------- Post added 2011-12-13 at 09:42 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaulien View Post
    I would like to know how it's about SOULDRINKER?
    Is it considered as tanking weapon or dps weapon? Because honestly draining hp is more for tanks, BUT last week some dps won the roll WITH role bonus in LFR.
    I am confused, any ideas?
    Those weapons are BIS for DW frost dks just so you know.
    Not sure why blizzard does things like this but ya. They are BIS
  1. rijn dael's Avatar
    It really doesn't fix the issues that personally cause me grief (enh/feral rolling on spell dps items) - while it does improve things, partial fixes scare me, because they seem to become the longterm fix.

    If they want this to be a proper part of the progression cycle, spec AND role-based restrictions are pretty much features that should have been done before it went out the door, not in the next expac.

    If it is meant more as an interactive movie to see the content, it doesn't really matter if it drops dancing pixies. But as things stand, it has upgrades over the former heroic tier, so it should be handled properly.
  1. SickCilia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivirus View Post
    Did you read the post at all? The item restriction change is to make double-damn sure people don't get loot they shouldn't be able to roll on over the class that should use it. Souldrinker is a tank weapon despite dps having been able to roll on it with the bonus. Blizzard was just late to the game in getting these restrictions live, considering I've lost three Souldrinkers on two tanks, two to rogues and one to a death knight.

    These restrictions should have been in place before 4.3 even went live, and should be applied to LFD.
    Did you read ? If you look its class specific to Dk, Pally, and Warriors. No Do is going to tank with it. So as a dps Dk we will get a roll bonus on it just how it is.
  1. Alayea's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by F-Minus View Post
    Paladins have shields... stop moaning
    Ledger of Revolting Rituals is better than Timepiece of the Bronze Flight, simply because of that red socket and its bonus. Taking that into account as well as the +40 int enchant for both, the off-hand gives 310 intellect versus the shield's 280. So that's a difference of 30 intellect, unless you choose to use the JC-only version in which case the difference would be even greater. Yeah, I want the off-hand for my shaman since the loss of 14 haste rating and 8 spirit doesn't mean anything.

    Edit: For purposes of clarification, I did not assume use of the epic +50 int gem since its not very prevalent. I used the rare +40 int gem for the math.

    UPDATE: I've been informed that the shield has been hot-fixed. It now offers a gem socket (with some slight adjustments in the stats) and so the off-hand is no longer desired.
  1. Ap0calypse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by iJagg View Post
    Whats the VP / JP for again? And if you got everything you wanted from every kill, what would be the point of coming back next week?
    I wasnt aware Boss drops were obtainable through VP/JP.

    Also the drops are randomised in the bag, so you get something for your class, but it could be something you already won. The point is you get something guaranteed to salvage for credits etc. In WoW mostly all you get is jipped (as in get sweet F all).
  1. XristyfeR's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ap0calypse View Post
    I wasnt aware Boss drops were obtainable through VP/JP.

    Also the drops are randomised in the bag, so you get something for your class, but it could be something you already won. The point is you get something guaranteed to salvage for credits etc. In WoW mostly all you get is jipped (as in get sweet F all).
    Quote Originally Posted by Ap0calypse View Post
    I find it pretty ridiculous when a band of players fight and kill the boss that not all of them are rewarded for doing so.
    Just as you might get loot in your bag that you already have in SWToR, your VP/JP can be spent on something you may want, if you dont need anything you can buy crafting mats etc. I'm not having a go at ya, just stating you still are rewarded its not as black and white as you make out
  1. Sendai's Avatar
    I have to say I was a bit disappointed when all paladins, all warriors, all druids and all Death Knights got a +100 in a tanking trinket. If me and the other guy tanking, a druid, are the ones tanking, we should be the ones only getting the +100. Samewise, I shouldn't get a +100 in DPS trinkets, in example. I think they intend to fix this in MOP.
  1. Cyrille104's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Alayea View Post
    Ledger of Revolting Rituals is better than Timepiece of the Bronze Flight, simply because of that red socket and its bonus. Taking that into account as well as the +40 int enchant for both, the off-hand gives 310 intellect versus the shield's 280. So that's a difference of 30 intellect, unless you choose to use the JC-only version in which case the difference would be even greater. Yeah, I want the off-hand for my shaman since the loss of 14 haste rating and 8 spirit doesn't mean anything.
    Too bad. That's the way the cookie crumbles. You get the shield, we get the offhand. We've gotten the short end of the stick before with your shields, and now it's your turn.

    I would also like to point out that using the JC gem doesn't change anything, because you can only use 3 of them regardless of where you put them. So whether you have the offhand's socket or not, you're still getting the same extra int from those 3 gems.
  1. Chort's Avatar
    Did LFR 3 times on my resto shaman. Each time lost mail items ( not tier ) with spirit to enhance shamans - 3 items today, 2 last week and 2 first week. Each time to enhance shaman. Thanks i have good guild and we are starting to do heroics - so gear is not a problem to me, however it is very frustrating when someone rolls on something that they should not have.
  1. Shon237's Avatar
    I can't believe Blizz screwed up and/or didn think the loot system better for LFR. This is the main reason pugs fail and sometimes why people quit guilds or cause guild drama because of the almighty loot. Still this change going to class specific like people have said is still far short. You can still role if its not your main spec....weak.

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