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KIN Raiders Heroic Spine of Deathwing Video
Now that Stars has defeated Heroic Spine of Deathwing 25, KIN Raiders has released their video of the kill.



KIN Raiders Raid Composition / Damage Meters
KIN Raiders defeated Heroic Spine of Deathwing 25 utilizing lots of high burst DPS classes. You can see their damage meters from the Spine fight (only the tendons) and raid composition for both Madness and Spine below!

KIN Raiders Spine of Deathwing Raid Composition
데오바인
약관확인
Versaille
철수와초코렛
Fiddlesticks
Evocation
다운님
위업
Christiane
Zedka
신학
엘리에
Zacard
Kz
배고픈아크
비행청년
박규리
셀리스셜
Gooddog
Detonator
Ziltoo
Yuribie
사꾸
Dartyu
쫘파게티


KIN Raiders Madness of Deathwing Raid Composition
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Jubeto
데오바인
Gortyu
Lurker
Versaille
철수와초코렛
공허의배신자
엘리에
Zedka
사제천진
Kz
Yoko
배고픈아크
비행청년
박규리
Detonator
Ziltoo
Excaliber
Yuribie
사꾸
Neichell
Dartyu
Vincente




KIN Raiders Post Spine of Deathwing Interview
Playforum interviewed KIN Raiders after their Spine of Deathwing kill, and Utsusemi was nice enough to translate the interesting questions.

Q: How did you farm and prepare to clear DS?
A: As many people know, US & EU had some troubles involving LFR. As for us, we brought 3 mains that did not overlap with each others' tier drops and 23 alts that have already done LFR, which facilitated the gearing of our mains. All in all, each member has gone through LFR about 26 times.

During the first week of the patch, in normal mode DS, we formed 6 teams - each consisting of 8-9 mains + alt fill-ins. We also had 1 team farming 10 man mode. When hard mode became available, we focused on gearing up the guild as a whole rather than prioritizing loot based on ranks. We formed 3 teams mixing mains and alts - and consistently farmed for progression. This has helped a lot in the latter half of DS.

Q: What did you feel the 'best' DPS class was for this raid?
A: In all circumstances, a class with good survivability and DPS can be considered the best. In this dungeon, a class that can survive well while providing great burst was the best DPS class. And we think Mage and Rogue were the two classes that best fit that criteria.

For Rogues, subtlety tree was buffed (great survivability and burst) so they were very viable. And for Mages, arcane provided better burst than any other class while fire gave better survivability. However, it's impossible to defeat the latter half the encounters with just these two classes. It is critical that other classes provide support/utility for them.

Q: Can you provide the raid comp for Spine and Madness of Deathwing encounters? Also, the number of attempts for them as well?
A: Regarding the raid composition, you can check that through armory. According to our DBM log, we gave about 300 attempts for the Spine. And for the last encounter, we downed it on our 108th attempt.

Q: A lot of people are speculating about the 4 shamans involved in the Spine encounter. Can you clear things up for us?
A: For the Spine, we had 3 restoration shamans and 1 elemental shaman. Two of the resto shamans were alts. Also one of those two alts' main spec was elemental.

As a side joke, one of our elemental shamans (Detonator is the name) had to be benched for 3 hrs because he could not pull the DPS needed. He had to practice DPS on dummy before getting pulled back in lol.

Q: In US & EU, many people are claiming that you used an exploit using SLT, which allegedly negates a debuff that lowers your health.
A: Regarding that, we have received personal apologies from MMO-Champion and Paragon website (From the people that made such claims). At that time, I wasn't too concerned about it because I was focused on the next encounter. But when we finally release the video of our kill, all of the suspicions will go away.

Q: The time you spent on Madness, compared to Spine, was rather short. How would you compare the difficulty between the two?
A: Spine was harder. It was as if a huge wall was blocking your way. Every time you first encounter a difficult boss, you can naturally feel that way. For Madness, it was like "hey, this isn't so bad". As for the Spine, it was more like "we don't wanna repeat this next week..." But no matter what, the members that had to be on stand-by had to go through the most stress by far.

Q: When will you be releasing a kill video of the last two encounters?
A: Once another guild has achieved a kill, we'll be releasing the video.

Q: It seems like more alts were part of the raid than mains for this dungeon. Is this correct?
A: Yes, it is. For the Spine, 3 of the Mages were alts and 2 of the resto Shamans were alts. We wanted to prepare for the unexpected. So since FL, we consistently farmed for alts.

Q: Is there a reason why you did that?
A: Every patch, we as a guild, had problems with limited roster. However, we feel that composition is far more important than the number of raiders. Say we have 25 people online. If those 25 people have access to most of the classes, creating a fitting raid composition becomes very easy.

For DS, each member had 2-4 classes ready for progression.

Q: For this raid, class specs seemed very critical. Can you give us a word on that?
A: For tanks, Paladins were far inferior to DKs and Druids. Thus, prot Paladins were benched. Also, enhancement Shamans and Hunters had to be benched for Madness encounter as the pets weren't attacking tendons. For healers, holy Paladins and resto Shamans were good. Other healing classes had to be on stand-by. And for caster DPS, boomkins had to be benched most of the time. I want to thank all of them for sticking around for the entire duration of the fights.

Q: Would you like to say a word to other guilds that are attempting to clear DS?
A: Never give up! It is imperative to stick together and have faith that you can do it. Every guild wants to give up at one point or another. But nothing can be achieved with one big shot. If you take it one step at a time, you will be rewarded for your effort.

Q: Any shout outs to the fans?
A: Thank you for your supports. We want to be remembered as raiders that always enjoy raiding. Thank you.


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Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Daily Quests and Boredom
Dailies and grinding. You want X, you have to perform Y dailies for Z period of time. You grind rep and gold and then you get what you want. This is what I explained. "But that's just like a job. I already have a job. When can we do something fun?"

It's easy to design a better system than dailies, pump out infinite amounts of content, it's just not feasible to pull off. Some people want to spend more time in the game than others, maybe even every day, and we want to make sure they have something to do. While we'd love for that to be fresh and unique content every time, it's simply not feasible. Thus, dailies. Give people something to do each time they log in (if they choose to do so every day).

Not to toot the Mists of Pandaria horn too hard, but I think our general zone design, daily, and scenario approach is pretty solid. Part of what makes dailies a bit tedious, aside from being tedious, is the rewards are desired but may not always quite fit the time investment. I see quite a bit of that being solved and making sure if you're logging in to do some dailies or scenarios, you feel like you made a good chunk of progress toward advancing your character.

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Comments 206 Comments
  1. Doxa's Avatar
    I'm having trouble understanding all the QQ over class imbalance here.

    New Flash! Some classes are better at some things than other classes. In this case, burst DPS was very important and mages and rogues do it well.

    Besides, no one here is competing on this level anyways. If you're having DPS problems the issue isn't likely your class spec. :-/
  1. Lemons's Avatar
    "For the Spine, 3 of the Mages were alts" Can you really consider a character an "alt" when it has a friggen legendary staff and top-of-the-line gear? That's basically a second main.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alayea View Post
    I saw the contest for D3 beta access and I thought, "cool". Then I saw the name "Twitter". Yeah, I'll pass.
    Yea...same here. I don't twitter. I've never tweeted a damn thing in my life. I don't have Facebook either. So it really sucks that 90% of the contests I see involve using them in some way. Now I know how Canadians feel.
  1. Mirakh's Avatar
    Can someone tell me the name of the song that starts at 8:00? so beautiful and good!


    Thanks alot in advance!


    Merry X-mas
  1. Stansfield's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirakh View Post
    Can someone tell me the name of the song that starts at 8:00? so beautiful and good!


    Thanks alot in advance!


    Merry X-mas
    Look at the youtube description.
  1. Dzudzadzo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by iravemosh View Post
    that awkward moment when theres more shamans than warriors.
    That akward moment when you realize that there are still people who believe class stacking is something wrong.
  1. ihyln's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dzudzadzo View Post
    That akward moment when you realize that there are still people who believe class stacking is something wrong.
    So Ghostcrawler's idea of class balance is "bring the mages not any other class"?

    Someone should ask him what class he plans on playing next before he gets fired so people can have some fun in the sun.
  1. Takeada's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ihyln View Post
    So Ghostcrawler's idea of class balance is "bring the mages not any other class"?

    Someone should ask him what class he plans on playing next before he gets fired so people can have some fun in the sun.
    A class balance discussion should not revolve around difficult heroic encounters where guilds will push the game and characters to their limits in order to get a world first. They've stated this several times after world firsts in this expansion. A shaman being non-existant in the world first Heroic Rag kill means nothing. Just as stacking rogues and mages with legendaries means nothing on the most difficult encounter of this tier. Trying to hint that they do only shows you know little of actual class balance.
  1. Mirakh's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Stansfield View Post
    Look at the youtube description.
    ow thank u!
  1. schuckiwucki's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Takeada View Post
    A class balance discussion should not revolve around difficult heroic encounters where guilds will push the game and characters to their limits in order to get a world first. They've stated this several times after world firsts in this expansion. A shaman being non-existant in the world first Heroic Rag kill means nothing. Just as stacking rogues and mages with legendaries means nothing on the most difficult encounter of this tier. Trying to hint that they do only shows you know little of actual class balance.
    There is nothing wrong with class stacking per se. Different classes are and should be better at certain encounters. Nothing wrong with that. But if mages/rouges can pull nearly twice the damage that warlocks and spriests are able to do, you have a pretty huge balance problem/terrible encounter design.
  1. good diu bro's Avatar
    So what about stars/paragon?How many mages/rogues they got?
  1. Edvard's Avatar
    Somethink wrong all time with dps class balance, i hate who came with somethink like hybrid. I am not hybrid, i am fury dps, if ill wont play tank, ill be tank.
  1. Kerawyn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jayremy View Post
    Korea has got the most efficient internet service. I'd like to say I wonder why, but I already know the answer and don't like it.
    What the fuck are you talking about?

    It's because their country isn't retarded and realised the value of the internet to modern society, and they also aren't bent over backwards by telecom and cable companies looking to make more money every year while providing less service.

    They get 50Mbit Down AND up for cheaper than an American gets 10Mbit down, 1Mbit up.

    Welcome to country standard fiber optic internet. I guess here in North America we just enjoy our copper cabling too much.
  1. The Illusive Man's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kerawyn View Post
    What the fuck are you talking about?

    It's because their country isn't retarded and realised the value of the internet to modern society, and they also aren't bent over backwards by telecom and cable companies looking to make more money every year while providing less service.

    They get 50Mbit Down AND up for cheaper than an American gets 10Mbit down, 1Mbit up.

    Welcome to country standard fiber optic internet. I guess here in North America we just enjoy our copper cabling too much.
    Yeah just this! Sadly most of the western countries have not yet realized how important internet is to the future and this future has already begun. If i think at my ping when playing games like wow and watching this shammy in the video I get really mad. Fast internet is important not only to gamers also to guys like me who work heavily on the computer and need to have really quick inet !!
  1. Valthios's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kerawyn View Post
    What the fuck are you talking about?

    It's because their country isn't retarded and realised the value of the internet to modern society, and they also aren't bent over backwards by telecom and cable companies looking to make more money every year while providing less service.

    They get 50Mbit Down AND up for cheaper than an American gets 10Mbit down, 1Mbit up.

    Welcome to country standard fiber optic internet. I guess here in North America we just enjoy our copper cabling too much.
    The problem here in the States is that we're so spread out and have so much damn land to cover for nationwide fiber. S. Korea is roughly the size of Indiana, so it's much easier and more efficient to run fiber nationwide.
  1. CCloak's Avatar
    While NA envys korea's 50Mbit down and up fibre speeds. In Hong Kong, we can get 1Gbit up and down for a very competitive price.NA ppl should seriously step up and voice themselves. We never have ping issues here even when we don't have localised servers for wow.
  1. Phillytwo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kisain09 View Post
    anyone else see the MS? 1 to 2 O.o
    that's 100 in korea
  1. Killrogg's Avatar
    Raid progress and firstkills...I couldnt care less.
  1. Mankirks Daughter's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by CCloak View Post
    While NA envys korea's 50Mbit down and up fibre speeds. In Hong Kong, we can get 1Gbit up and down for a very competitive price.NA ppl should seriously step up and voice themselves. We never have ping issues here even when we don't have localised servers for wow.
    Fairly certain Google has the ball rolling with 1gig lines, but it's just in a few, select parts of the country so far as a test run.
  1. Quillerjr's Avatar
    Damn, Koreans know how to GAME, FULL Grats to KIN Raiders!!When I die, i want to be reborn korean!!
  1. Mort459's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Megaira View Post
    Yeah just this! Sadly most of the western countries have not yet realized how important internet is to the future and this future has already begun. If i think at my ping when playing games like wow and watching this shammy in the video I get really mad. Fast internet is important not only to gamers also to guys like me who work heavily on the computer and need to have really quick inet !!
    Allllllright I gotta call BS on this one. I spend quite a few hours a week at work querying large online databases. The idea that 5ms pings are in any way PRACTICALLY superior to 100MS pings in ANYTHING but gaming is a bit laughable. I mean really... think about it logically for a minute.

    OT: Apologies for assuming you exploited SLT! It's not so much a fanboi/regional issue, as it is that I've been conditioned to expect the worst in people. Happy I was wrong, and gratz on the kill. The people talking on vent sounded like they had ice flowing through their veins.

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