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KIN Raiders Heroic Spine of Deathwing Video
Now that Stars has defeated Heroic Spine of Deathwing 25, KIN Raiders has released their video of the kill.



KIN Raiders Raid Composition / Damage Meters
KIN Raiders defeated Heroic Spine of Deathwing 25 utilizing lots of high burst DPS classes. You can see their damage meters from the Spine fight (only the tendons) and raid composition for both Madness and Spine below!

KIN Raiders Spine of Deathwing Raid Composition
데오바인
약관확인
Versaille
철수와초코렛
Fiddlesticks
Evocation
다운님
위업
Christiane
Zedka
신학
엘리에
Zacard
Kz
배고픈아크
비행청년
박규리
셀리스셜
Gooddog
Detonator
Ziltoo
Yuribie
사꾸
Dartyu
쫘파게티


KIN Raiders Madness of Deathwing Raid Composition
쫘죽기
괴도라팡
Jubeto
데오바인
Gortyu
Lurker
Versaille
철수와초코렛
공허의배신자
엘리에
Zedka
사제천진
Kz
Yoko
배고픈아크
비행청년
박규리
Detonator
Ziltoo
Excaliber
Yuribie
사꾸
Neichell
Dartyu
Vincente




KIN Raiders Post Spine of Deathwing Interview
Playforum interviewed KIN Raiders after their Spine of Deathwing kill, and Utsusemi was nice enough to translate the interesting questions.

Q: How did you farm and prepare to clear DS?
A: As many people know, US & EU had some troubles involving LFR. As for us, we brought 3 mains that did not overlap with each others' tier drops and 23 alts that have already done LFR, which facilitated the gearing of our mains. All in all, each member has gone through LFR about 26 times.

During the first week of the patch, in normal mode DS, we formed 6 teams - each consisting of 8-9 mains + alt fill-ins. We also had 1 team farming 10 man mode. When hard mode became available, we focused on gearing up the guild as a whole rather than prioritizing loot based on ranks. We formed 3 teams mixing mains and alts - and consistently farmed for progression. This has helped a lot in the latter half of DS.

Q: What did you feel the 'best' DPS class was for this raid?
A: In all circumstances, a class with good survivability and DPS can be considered the best. In this dungeon, a class that can survive well while providing great burst was the best DPS class. And we think Mage and Rogue were the two classes that best fit that criteria.

For Rogues, subtlety tree was buffed (great survivability and burst) so they were very viable. And for Mages, arcane provided better burst than any other class while fire gave better survivability. However, it's impossible to defeat the latter half the encounters with just these two classes. It is critical that other classes provide support/utility for them.

Q: Can you provide the raid comp for Spine and Madness of Deathwing encounters? Also, the number of attempts for them as well?
A: Regarding the raid composition, you can check that through armory. According to our DBM log, we gave about 300 attempts for the Spine. And for the last encounter, we downed it on our 108th attempt.

Q: A lot of people are speculating about the 4 shamans involved in the Spine encounter. Can you clear things up for us?
A: For the Spine, we had 3 restoration shamans and 1 elemental shaman. Two of the resto shamans were alts. Also one of those two alts' main spec was elemental.

As a side joke, one of our elemental shamans (Detonator is the name) had to be benched for 3 hrs because he could not pull the DPS needed. He had to practice DPS on dummy before getting pulled back in lol.

Q: In US & EU, many people are claiming that you used an exploit using SLT, which allegedly negates a debuff that lowers your health.
A: Regarding that, we have received personal apologies from MMO-Champion and Paragon website (From the people that made such claims). At that time, I wasn't too concerned about it because I was focused on the next encounter. But when we finally release the video of our kill, all of the suspicions will go away.

Q: The time you spent on Madness, compared to Spine, was rather short. How would you compare the difficulty between the two?
A: Spine was harder. It was as if a huge wall was blocking your way. Every time you first encounter a difficult boss, you can naturally feel that way. For Madness, it was like "hey, this isn't so bad". As for the Spine, it was more like "we don't wanna repeat this next week..." But no matter what, the members that had to be on stand-by had to go through the most stress by far.

Q: When will you be releasing a kill video of the last two encounters?
A: Once another guild has achieved a kill, we'll be releasing the video.

Q: It seems like more alts were part of the raid than mains for this dungeon. Is this correct?
A: Yes, it is. For the Spine, 3 of the Mages were alts and 2 of the resto Shamans were alts. We wanted to prepare for the unexpected. So since FL, we consistently farmed for alts.

Q: Is there a reason why you did that?
A: Every patch, we as a guild, had problems with limited roster. However, we feel that composition is far more important than the number of raiders. Say we have 25 people online. If those 25 people have access to most of the classes, creating a fitting raid composition becomes very easy.

For DS, each member had 2-4 classes ready for progression.

Q: For this raid, class specs seemed very critical. Can you give us a word on that?
A: For tanks, Paladins were far inferior to DKs and Druids. Thus, prot Paladins were benched. Also, enhancement Shamans and Hunters had to be benched for Madness encounter as the pets weren't attacking tendons. For healers, holy Paladins and resto Shamans were good. Other healing classes had to be on stand-by. And for caster DPS, boomkins had to be benched most of the time. I want to thank all of them for sticking around for the entire duration of the fights.

Q: Would you like to say a word to other guilds that are attempting to clear DS?
A: Never give up! It is imperative to stick together and have faith that you can do it. Every guild wants to give up at one point or another. But nothing can be achieved with one big shot. If you take it one step at a time, you will be rewarded for your effort.

Q: Any shout outs to the fans?
A: Thank you for your supports. We want to be remembered as raiders that always enjoy raiding. Thank you.


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This article was originally published in forum thread: KIN Raiders Heroic Spine of Deathwing Coverage, Diablo III Beta Giveaway, Blue Posts started by chaud View original post
Comments 206 Comments
  1. Tanthalus's Avatar
    Slushyour a total DOUCHEbagthey had exactly 12 extra raids in FL since they only got the double lockouts in octoberbut hey dont let FACTS get in the way of your pre teen cry baby ranting.and they had the same number of orange staff as the other top guilds , either by making them or having applications that had them (exept that BL have more staff)
  1. Repefe's Avatar
    Bigger carrot for mindless farm inc in MoP
  1. Tumpys's Avatar
    That warrior kiting was very clutch! It reminded me of Yogg-Saron 0 Light towards the end of the fight, but he maintained a kite for a solid 3-4 minutes. Great job KIN!
  1. Elix's Avatar
    Everyone's hating! Always happy to see someone get rewarded for hard work. The comments about class stacking are out of place. If you at war in real life, and 10 tanks over 3 airplanes would make you win, you think the General would say "Oooh, but if we stack tanks, history will call us cheaters?" Hell no! Anything to get the job done. hehe. I'd love to see that though.Good job Kin Raiders. Mad props to your tank. He's pretty much made every other Warrior Tank in the world feel useless.
  1. gamerunknown's Avatar
    How many minutes per attempt on Spine of Deathwing? If it averaged out to 10 minutes, that would be seven hours of raiding a day for the seven days it took (not including rebuffing and cutscenes). Double edit: According to this interview, Paragon used 170 attempts on Heroic Lich King. Edit: Also, massive congratulations of course. Given that they knew other guilds were bug abusing and didn't do that themselves, that they were willing to bring completely different chars to a different fight and that they're wholly encouraging to other guilds without being arrogant, I think they definitely deserve the kill.
  1. Murffi's Avatar
    Couldn't help to recognize that they have Jubeto in their Madness of Deathwing roster? From Paragon?
  1. Strafer's Avatar
    Hmm... wonder why they didn't take any Mages.
  1. Labe's Avatar
    Awesome kill...!
  1. Slush's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanthalus View Post
    Slushyour a total DOUCHEbag
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanthalus View Post
    they had exactly 12 extra raids in FL since they only got the double lockouts in october
    Yes they had the "extra lockouts" but that didnt enable them to aquire extra loot. This is because they accessed the content later. You can visit there amories for kill numbers and compare them to other top guilds such as Paragon, Blood Legion etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanthalus View Post
    but hey dont let FACTS get in the way of your pre teen cry baby ranting.
    Uhm, I am still impressed by their effort, and no... "pre teen cry baby ranting"... even my kids are too old to do that :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanthalus View Post
    and they had the same number of orange staff as the other top guilds , either by making them or having applications that had them (exept that BL have more staff)
    Eh.. ok.
  1. Linger's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Slush View Post
    No.



    Yes they had the "extra lockouts" but that didnt enable them to aquire extra loot. This is because they accessed the content later. You can visit there amories for kill numbers and compare them to other top guilds such as Paragon, Blood Legion etc.



    Uhm, I am still impressed by their effort, and no... "pre teen cry baby ranting"... even my kids are too old to do that :-)



    Eh.. ok.
    You are looking at LFR kill number count. (The number that certain guilds have more than 20 times, and they got banned from using the loot exploit. lol) YOU HAVE TO look at their normal/heroic count. Everything is equal or less than 3 kills, the normal number.

    CHECK THE FACT CAREFULLY BEFORE SAYING BAD THING ABOUT THE OTHERS.
  1. Delekii's Avatar
    Do I just not understand how SLT is not considered an exploit in this fight?Fairly clearly, at many intervals through the fight, the shaman's health is clearly visible at the same number he begins the fight with, despite stacks of the stacking debuff that lowers maximum HP. Is it just not considered a bug, or am I misunderstanding the way the debuff is meant to work? Because fairly clearly, the effect of the debuff is being counteracted somehow. As an example, at 8:32, post spirit link, the shaman has 161k HP with 4 stacks of amalgamation debuff. He should have ~120k. What's the deal?An amazing achievement, and I will be happy to eat my words if I am just misunderstanding the situation. They seem pretty comfortable with everyone seeing the video, so obviously I missed something.
  1. hellboyy's Avatar
    this ridiculous class stacking makes me very very sad for wow. class balance is well and truly broken.
  1. Emzky's Avatar
    This means we wont have a Diablo 3 release before mid-late february?
  1. Eiffeltower's Avatar
    sooo many arcane missiles !
  1. Joyful's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Linger View Post
    You are looking at LFR kill number count. (The number that certain guilds have more than 20 times, and they got banned from using the loot exploit. lol) YOU HAVE TO look at their normal/heroic count. Everything is equal or less than 3 kills, the normal number.

    CHECK THE FACT CAREFULLY BEFORE SAYING BAD THING ABOUT THE OTHERS.
    He is refering to FL......
  1. muwatallis's Avatar
    Buff hunters. No, seriously. This is just arrogant not to have any hunter in the top end due to a stupid mechanical flaw.
  1. otyknip's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Linger View Post
    You are looking at LFR kill number count. (The number that certain guilds have more than 20 times, and they got banned from using the loot exploit. lol) YOU HAVE TO look at their normal/heroic count. Everything is equal or less than 3 kills, the normal number.

    CHECK THE FACT CAREFULLY BEFORE SAYING BAD THING ABOUT THE OTHERS.
    Are you for real?
  1. Crashdummy's Avatar
    Huge Gratz for Kin. And that prot warrior.... OMFG that kiting..... Good by exploit callers. Clean WFK. Next time, top guilds, DONT CHEAT.
  1. Snore's Avatar
    Lots of butthurt fanboys. Congratulations Kin Raiders, well deserved!
  1. dotSeed's Avatar
    How'd that guaranteed DPS legendary work out for you Blizzard? What, you mean top guilds farmed them excessively for progression raiding and bypassed gear check encounters? How utterly shocking.

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