Mists of Pandaria Challenge Mode Dungeons, Class Transmogrification List

Difficulty as WOLTK? Oh yeah Blizzard on its way to brainless people for money...everyone remember WOLTK difficulty and Azjol-Nerub 7 minutes runs? Yeah moar of it.

---------- Post added 2012-01-16 at 06:02 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Illuminance

Probably because a large portion of the player base complains about dungeons being too hard, while another complains about them being too easy.

Perhaps with challenge mode dungeons and heroics back to easy, they can appease both sets.

How you can challenge mode when you just picking up half of the dungeon mobs AOE them and then doing the same with second half...???...dungeon done.

World of Warcraft has become a microcosm of what's wrong with America today. Back before the housing boom, most people had to have good credit, save up money for a down payment and do all the necessary things in order to afford a home. Then, some people said "Hey, I work 40 hours a week too, why can't I have a home too?" so then mortgage companies came up with these new and innovative ways so that just about anyone could own a home, even without down payments or even good credit ratings. So then what happened was these people got into homes they wouldn't have been able to afford before and ended up either upside down or broke because they couldn't really afford it to begin with. They then decide the best course of action is to trash the home, move out and file for bankruptcy. By doing this, they screwed the people that really could afford their own homes and now those people are upside down or the value of their home has gone down by as much as 50%.

The same kind of thing has happened in WoW as well. People, early on decided that they wanted to raid so they put forth the effort to gear up, form guilds and study strategies in order to raid and enjoy a good challenge. They know that if they work hard they'll be rewarded for their efforts with fantastic looking gear. Then what happened is the casuals came in and said "Hey, we pay 15 dollars a month too, we want to be able to see all the content and get all the gear w/o the effort" so Blizzard listened and decided to come up with new and innovative ways so that casuals could see the content too and that's where LFR comes in. Now, those same casuals, who after running LFR for weeks on end, decide that LFR is boring now and they're going to unsub because they got everything needed and they face rolled through the content.

Now, the original people that loved that game and loved a good challenge, are now stuck with this flaming piece of pig shit called MoP.

Originally Posted by Anevers

Activision has nothing to do with WoW. Take the tinfoil hat off... And I'm glad they may never go back to the TBC Model, it was horrendous. There were very few diamonds in that expansion but far too few by today's standards to make something like that work again today.

Please, TBC was the pinnacle and unfortunately for people that enjoy a good challenge, those days are long gone. Now, here comes MoP and since only casuals can devote 3 minutes a week to the game, people will be mailed 1 epic a week so they don't miss out.

Originally Posted by Crovaz

Please, TBC was the pinnacle and unfortunately for people that enjoy a good challenge, those days are long gone. Now, here comes MoP and since only casuals can devote 3 minutes a week to the game, people will be mailed 1 epic a week so they don't miss out.

Thank you, obviously anyone who post about not wanting the game to be back like it was in BC was either stuck killing prince malchezzar the whole expac or didnt play it.

Originally Posted by MailEnhancement

Thank you, obviously anyone who post about not wanting the game to be back like it was in BC was either stuck killing prince malchezzar the whole expac or didnt play it.

Well, if they are stuck killing Prince there's also the possibility that they can't get the numbers to go up to 25 mans and not just being bads as you claim.

But to those guilds that were wiping on Karazhan trash, I don't know what that is.

Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac

Well, if they are stuck killing Prince there's also the possibility that they can't get the numbers to go up to 25 mans and not just being bads as you claim.

But to those guilds that were wiping on Karazhan trash, I don't know what that is.

or they werent good enough to join any guilds killing higher content.. Some games are not made for everyone.. go play pokemon stadium if you want your hand held.

Originally Posted by MailEnhancement

or they werent good enough to join any guilds killing higher content.. Some games are not made for everyone.. go play pokemon stadium if you want your hand held.

Then those guilds killing higher content were probably poaching off the lower end guilds as well.

Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac

Then those guilds killing higher content were probably poaching off the lower end guilds as well.

to take their better players ? probably were...its a dog eat dog world.. like i said.. pokemon stadium.

Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac

Then those guilds killing higher content were probably poaching off the lower end guilds as well.

Because the same thing doesn't happen in the real world either huh? Bigger companies recruiting people from smaller companies to come work for them happens every day in every corner of the world. Also, the last time I checked, you can't enslave people to come raid in your guild, that player makes the conscious decision to leave his guild.

I'm sure challenge modes will make for absolutely pleasant grouping, as trolls purposefully wipe on a boss, or overly caffeinated elitists rage quit as soon as the first boss isn't downed in x number of minutes.... then we'll get to see trade spam lfg's with "must have silver achieve, pst!" nonsense.

If I wanted medals, I'd go play a console game.

---------- Post added 2012-01-16 at 01:33 AM ----------

Originally Posted by MailEnhancement

I miss BC when I would rock my Staff of Immaculate recovery and my Tier 6 before sunwell dropped and having ppl oogle me. Im not narcissistic, vain or conceded

Hate to break it to ya...

So this is how I interpret the progression path for challenge modes using cata heroics as an example (definitely correct me if I'm wrong): day 1: You've been 85 for a week and have full 346 blue gear, done gearing up from heroics. Time to run challenge mode dungeons to have some fun while the rest of the guild levels & gears up for raids. Queue for BRC with guild mates for your first challenge mode. Complete it in a certain time, get a bronze medal. You queue for a few more and can't move any faster (due to mechanics & gear limitations). Day 1 accomplishments: 3 bronze medals. day 4: You've maxed out some reps, have some epic gear, and your guild group is a bit more competent. You queue for three more heroics and earn some silver medals and manage to squeeze out one gold medal. day 10: You've begun to raid and now have about half 359 gear. You can get a gold medal on about 75% of runs so you haven't quite unlocked the stacking debuff. You start appearing on the bottom of the leader bored. day 15: You've acquired mostly 359 gear and can get a gold medal every time with your group. You can now start working your way up in % buffs. Now with each % buff, what attributes are lowered? I'm thinking 5%: Health Damage Healing Movement Speed Haste

Originally Posted by thunderdragon2

makes perfect sence to me as a raider i dont wan be stuck in a heroic for over 2 hrs i wana be raiding

And then complaining the rest of the week that there's nothing to do? As a raider, you should probably be asking for harder 5 mans, with loot that ties in with raids a bit better.

Originally Posted by Anevers

Activision has nothing to do with WoW. Take the tinfoil hat off... And I'm glad they may never go back to the TBC Model, it was horrendous. There were very few diamonds in that expansion but far too few by today's standards to make something like that work again today.

If you truly buy into that... you've got blinders on, my friend.

Activision has a lot to do with long-term goals in World of Warcraft, and Blizzard games in general. There is give and take here between what they can monetize and what would be shameless monetization... so they strike a middle-ground, and we see things like the purchasable items and paid services in WoW, and the RMAH in Diablo 3.

If Blizzard today were 100% the same Blizzard from the 90s, you would not see nearly as many cash-grabs in their games.

Originally Posted by melodramocracy

Hate to break it to ya...

Because no one should be proud or happy about a reward they've received after accomplishing something right? They game you're looking for is called Communism. You should look it up, it's where everyone is just like everyone else and you can actually play it in real life, you just need to be able to move to one of those countries.

Also, it's called "Challenge Mode", not " It's Ok guys, I'll stay even though we're 45 minutes behind my usual time Mode". Get real bro, of course people aren't going to stay if they know they're not going to finish on time, why would they?

He is one of the kids that wants to clear content in 2 weeks and be able to lolligag through the rest of the expansion. I hate the fact that myself and all the other people who wants a challenge in raids other then the final boss on heroic are now the minority.

Originally Posted by Crovaz

World of Warcraft has become a microcosm of what's wrong with America today. Back before the housing boom, most people had to have good credit, save up money for a down payment and do all the necessary things in order to afford a home. Then, some people said "Hey, I work 40 hours a week too, why can't I have a home too?" so then mortgage companies came up with these new and innovative ways so that just about anyone could own a home, even without down payments or even good credit ratings. So then what happened was these people got into homes they wouldn't have been able to afford before and ended up either upside down or broke because they couldn't really afford it to begin with. They then decide the best course of action is to trash the home, move out and file for bankruptcy. By doing this, they screwed the people that really could afford their own homes and now those people are upside down or the value of their home has gone down by as much as 50%.

The same kind of thing has happened in WoW as well. People, early on decided that they wanted to raid so they put forth the effort to gear up, form guilds and study strategies in order to raid and enjoy a good challenge. They know that if they work hard they'll be rewarded for their efforts with fantastic looking gear. Then what happened is the casuals came in and said "Hey, we pay 15 dollars a month too, we want to be able to see all the content and get all the gear w/o the effort" so Blizzard listened and decided to come up with new and innovative ways so that casuals could see the content too and that's where LFR comes in. Now, those same casuals, who after running LFR for weeks on end, decide that LFR is boring now and they're going to unsub because they got everything needed and they face rolled through the content.

Now, the original people that loved that game and loved a good challenge, are now stuck with this flaming piece of pig shit called MoP.

Do us all a favor. Shut up.

Infracted.

Please will people stop posing like if they were playing this game in TBC . You are just embarassing yourself hipsters.Hellfire Ramps- all 3 bosses tank and spankBlood Furnace- again all 3 bosses tank and spankShattered halls- tank and spank with occasional fear and charge from bosses 2 and 3Slave pens -- all bosses tank and spankUnderbog.- all 3 tank and spankSteam vaults- tank and spank with addsmanatombs - tank and spank with adds on last bosssettek halls- tank and spank with hiding behind pillarscrypts - tank and spank Shadow labrynth- tank and spank with some minor palor tricksBoth Cot were tank and spank dungeons with just gaunlet style addsMech- 1st boss positioning tank and spank 2nd boss kite tank and spank 3rd tank and spankBot- tank and spank with 1-2 bosses that had add phases which can be dps throughMgt kael was the only boss that wasnt a tank a spank and for the record Mgt was hard because the trash had mechanics that needed to be cc same goes for ArcDo not kid yourself when you try talk about difficulty in TBC if those were hard for you then you truely need easy dungeons .

MoP post expansion. Serious modes: All your gear will be removed. You have to tease mobs/bosses to death. You'll be rewarded based on how fast you tease through the dungeon.

I think Blizz would have silenced a lot of critics if they changed the nomenclature a bit - call what we now call Heroics (that is, dungeons with slightly increased challenge, more enemy HP, different mechanics, act) were instead called "Challenge" Difficulty, and what we are looking at with the Challenge Mode was instead called Heroic mode, they would shut up. The people whining about this are very offended by word choice.


Personally, I think changing the definition of "heroic" this far into the game would be confusing, so I don't think it's a mistake. When I hear someone say "I want heroic modes to feel heroic", or "Put the War in Warcraft", I get that same glazed over feeling and look in my eye as when I hear my Tea Party uncle rant about socialism, or my hippie grandmother holler about the evils of capitalism - both are just slinging out worn out slogans to persuade people to their side in a meaningless argument.


What matters most is not how you feel, snowflake; what matters most is the health of the game. And to me, at least, this seems like a really cool way to keep 5 mans viable to people who have well passed getting gear even from heroic modes.

[QUOTE=melodramocracy;15080597]I'm sure challenge modes will make for absolutely pleasant grouping, as trolls purposefully wipe on a boss[COLOR="red"]

why the hell would you pug challenge modes? and people complain about a lack of community...