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Other Press Tour Interviews
Several other sites had the opportunity to ask a few things that we didn't have time to ask. Thanks to WoWInsider, Blizzplanet, AusGamers, Wowhead, Gameplanet and Buffed.

General
  • Humans and Orcs are next on the list after dwarves for character model updates.
  • The Pandaren may also have a dragon turtle mount that will look different from the one obtained through fishing.
  • The DotA style battleground that got cut is still something that they would like to do, but it needs some new tech that isn't developed yet.
  • Tri-spec is off the table for the foreseeable future.
  • There are now eight core buffs, so the UI will show you the number out of eight that you have (6/8).
  • A new character customization screen is in the works, with a visual list of what the different customizations look like. The screen also has a small video of what the class looks like in action, similar to Diablo III.
  • Pet battles with World of Warcraft Remote are something that is on the list of things that would be nice to do someday.
  • The giant statue in Jade Forest will be destroyed when the Alliance and Horde battle, bringing consequences for the entire continent.
  • The Molten Front daily quests were tuned to take too long.
  • If titles become account wide, you will be able to use it at the level you could have earned it at.
  • Mounts are on the list of things to be made account wide, either at launch or a patch soon after.
  • It still isn't clear if the final version of MoP will raise the guild level cap or not. However, the guild experience caps will be removed.
  • Green level difficulty and harder quests may give a flat amount of guild experience in order to allow lower level players to contribute to guild leveling.
  • World PvP may be encouraged by rewards such as raising the Conquest Points cap when .
  • Before Wrath of the Lich King came out, less than one percent of the playerbase actually experienced Sunwell.

Dungeons and Raids
  • There is a possibility of another troll dungeon, as some trolls live on an island off the coast of Pandaria.
  • Blizzard would have liked to do a 15 man raid size if they were starting from scratch today. However, for now they are sticking with both 10 and 25 man.
  • Raid tiers should last roughly four months, with content updates also coming between the larger raid updates. This could mean we would see a patch every two months or so.
  • Anger is the Sha world boss in Kun-Lai Summit, appearing every few hours or so.
  • Fear is a Sha boss in the Dread Wastes, possessing the Mantid Queen and causing havoc.
  • Each world boss will have a unique mount in their loot table.
  • Blizzard will be revisiting the shared 10 and 25 man lockout to make sure it is still the right thing.
  • If you win a roll in LFR and the boss has no item for you, you will get gold instead.
  • The new LFR loot system will grant a bonus roll when you have an item purchased from one of the Pandaren factions. These tokens can also be used to purchase the normal epic gear that is usually associated with factions. This extra roll works in all three difficulty levels.

Classes
  • Monks will have autoattack, as gameplay just didn't feel right without it.
  • Visible librams and quivers may not make it in time for Mists of Pandaria.
  • Shaman Level 90 talents were in game! One improves Unleash Elements to provide a better bonus for each imbue type. The second removes the cooldown on your Fire and Earth Elemental Totems and allows you to control them. The third is a blast of elemental energy in a cone on a 15 sec cooldown.

Glyphs
  • Warlock
    • Minor glyph that gives Eye of Kilrogg the ability to place your Demonic Circle at the cost of stealth.
    • Minor glyph that gives felguard with a random two-handed sword, two-handed axe, or polearm when you summon him.
  • Druid
    • A new minor glyph that allow druids to have a random coloring in cat and bear form has been added.
    • A new minor glyph that allow druids to stay in tree form has been added.
    • A new minor glyph that changes a druid's aquatic form into a Orca has been added.
    • A new minor glyph that changes a druid's travel form into a white stag has been added. Other players can ride you while in this form.
    • A new minor glyph that changes a druid's moonkin form into a moonkin spirit has been added.

Professions
  • Lorewalkers might be worked in to Archaeology somehow, perhaps granting skill ups in some way.
  • There are now multiple different cooking specializations; steaming, frying, broiling. Each is related to one of the primary stats, like Agility. When you level one of the specializations to 600, you are able to make all of the feasts.
  • Inscription may get something new, like a staff that you upgrade as you level inscription. This will combat the fatigue that comes from creating hundreds of glyphs to level.
  • Archaeology may get random creature spawns from digging that will drop more fragments when killed. It also may get a rare drop that will transport you to the next dig site.

Lore Figures
  • Vol'jin will make an appearance at some point during the expansion.
  • Blizzard has talked about turning Jaina's hair all white because of the shock, and her becoming this very violent and dangerous mage.
  • Garrosh has become corrupted and has been doing some really nasty things beneath Orgrimmar.
  • There may be a Labours of Hercules style quest chain that you do for Varian to show you more of the story and let you get to know him better.

A Night in Mists of Pandaria
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
With all of the great coverage coming out today on the upcoming expansion, we thought it’d be fun to take some of the details we’ve been revealing and relate them in practical terms. One of our main goals in this expansion is making sure that no matter what day of the week it is, and regardless of your experience or progression, that when you log in you can make meaningful progress toward advancing or customizing your character.

To set the scene for this article: Mists of Pandaria has been released, and as a long-time player I’ve enjoyed exploring all the new high level zones and tackled countless quests. I’ve leveled my character up to 90 and I’m logging in to play for the night. What is there to do?


Acting All Professional-like

I haven’t hit max on my professions yet, and as an avid cook I’m interested in maxing out each of the new branching trees of cooking specialization. The changes to Archaeology are pretty great so maybe I can mix in some dig sites as I go. I actually got a chance to teleport to a different dig site last night after finding an artifact, which really helped, along with now being able to dig more times at a single site.

I haven’t worked on Inscription much, but I really love the looks of the staff or wand I can make with the profession. Being able to level my tradeskill all the way to 600 by just working on them doesn’t hurt, either. Of course, I could go hit the cooking, fishing, and archaeology faction dailies and level those professions that way too.

Factions Speak Louder Than Dungeon Finder

I should probably work on my factions some more. With the new factions and their currencies I can acquire Craftsman tokens to spend on vanity items like fun toys or pets, and with Elder tokens I can purchase new items, convert them to Valor, or purchase Charms of Good Fortune. The charms actually allow me to “buy” another go at a boss’s loot table (including LFR) once I’ve downed them. I’m really glad the bonus roll loot tables are class specific, so I don’t run the risk of getting an item I can’t use. I do have a chance of just getting gold or some consumables, but it’s not a bad deal since I’m still getting rewarded for working on my factions.

I’m only Honored with a few so far, and one of my friends hit Revered with Golden Lotus last night so I want to keep up. Exalted is pretty tough to hit and I want to try to be the first in my guild to get one of the new factions maxed out. I can complete dailies to get faction, and even earn more powerful items along the way.


Proving Myself

I have all of the dungeons and raids at my disposal, and now that all of the raids are supported by the Raid Finder I don’t need to wait for my guild’s raid night to get a shot at some upgrades; plus with some Charms I have a lower probability of experiencing “loot rage” with the option of a second roll. Speaking of loot rage, the change in Raid Finder to per-player loot has made running random raids so much nicer without people fighting over rolls. I really wouldn’t mind running another one tonight.

With the new Valor system, I can work toward upgrading my current gear by increasing its item level and adding on a few stats at a time. Raid Finder is an option for a little Valor from boss kills, or I could get some more from dungeons, challenges, or scenarios. Regardless of what else I have to do I could be earning Valor and improving my items, which makes scenarios, challenge modes, and dungeons a very appealing option for tonight. If I do make some gear improvements, I’ll probably want to hit the new Proving Grounds. They’re like lored-up solo instances that make trying out my rotations a lot more fun since I can chase achievements.


Oh, You Fancy, Huh?

So maybe I’ll work on getting some item upgrades from dungeons, raids, or faction rewards, or I can improve my current item levels with Valor earned from challenge modes, scenarios, dungeons, and Raid Finder. I’m not ashamed to say I’m kind of geeked up over the new Pet Battle system. I wasn’t a very avid pet collector before, but after battling some of my friends (and seeing how much some of the trained pets sell for on the auction house) my interest has definitely skyrocketed.

But you know, I’ve seen some people strutting around with new transmog items, and I’m thinking it’s time I start looking a bit fancier. I have a few friends on and we can use dungeon finder to fill out a challenge mode run, which is where the coolest looking transmogrification set (IMO) for my class comes from. I just need another medal in Gate of the Setting Sun and I’ll be able to get the boots, and then move on to the chest piece. It’s pretty easy to build a group too since none of us really need to be chasing the same medals, as long as we hit them we’ll be able to make progress toward some rewards. The ultimate prize for completing all the challenges is a mount, of course, and although I’m still a ways off from that it’s a good goal to shoot for.

Rogue Sappin' My Totem

Those are some ideas, but I’ve really been getting back into PvP lately. With some of the changes it’s pretty enticing to get out into the world and mix it up. By accomplishing some of the outdoor PvP quests and objectives I can actually raise my weekly Conquest cap, which means I can build my PvP set that much faster. I’ve flown over some pretty intense looking outdoor battles, and I can’t help myself as I jump in and work toward increasing my cap for the week. Plus, with the change from Resilience to two new stats and the accompanying item budget changes, the PvE gear I’m wearing isn’t totally awful if I do want to jump in (or get jumped while trying to work on my dailies). Once I start getting more PvP gear I also won’t be totally awful if I decide to hop into a dungeon.

I’m still working toward a set of PvP and PvE gear, but it’s nice to be able to work on what I want and not be completely underpowered if I change my mind or want to dip my toe into one or the other. The other two people from my 3v3 team are online, and we should probably group up and go see about increasing our caps. Once I increase my cap I definitely want to get back into one of the new objective-oriented Battlegrounds. Protecting and pushing a mine cart as you fight off attackers in Silvershard Mines is a ton of fun, and the Murderball-esque Temple of Kotmogu is super intense.

One More Thing...

Well, I clearly have a lot of options for tonight. I almost forgot about finding some of the new mounts that are hidden around Pandaria; cultivating my garden and earning faction with the Tillers; caring for, hatching, training and eventually riding my own cloud serpent mount; building my historical library with the Lorewalker faction; and advancing my progress in the persistent sacred Vale of Eternal Blossoms by driving the Mogu out. There’s clearly no shortage of things to do at the level cap.

So what should I do tonight?

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
MoP Beta Release Date
We haven't announced beta for Mists of Pandaria as of yet. We'll do our best to keep everyone informed however. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

DoTA Style Battleground
Cory Stockton addressed this during the press event. We stated at BlizzCon we had three map ideas we were considering, but the plan was always to choose two for the initial launch of the expansion. The DotA-style map was the one we decided not to run with for launch. It's still a Battleground gameplay style we'd like to do during the Mists of Pandaria life cycle. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

No Squish or New Player Models?
First, we will have to see how things go. If things need a look at (squish wise) we'll look at them, as always. It's too soon to know how this will play out, but I think Ghostcrawler has explained a bit about the thoughts on this in a previous blog post.

WoW Insider also does a good job of explaining a bit more about this topic that perhaps make this not the issue it was before.

Rather than compressing item levels and retuning seven years' worth of content, the developers appear to have opted to go with the concept of Mega Damage, replacing a bunch of spare 0s with a K or an M where appropriate. When killing mobs in Pandaria, my four-digit damage was not compressed. If I hit something for 3,000 damage, it displayed as 3,000 damage. However, five-digit numbers and higher were compressed. 30,000 became 30K. It's a very simple solution and should have very little impact on your gameplay overall.

We'll be keeping an eye on things however.

Second, we are working to update character models, but this isn't an easy undertaking. As you may have seen already, there has been a lot of work done to get Mists of Pandaria this far (from BlizzCon) and I'd hope that everyone can see that the developers have been very hard at work getting us here. Character models aren't something you can do overnight and make them stack up to the expectations of what that means. We want to make sure (like everything we do) that we do our best to get it right.

There's a lot of information out in the wild right now that we are working to gather for you all, and understanding the concerns or questions people have after seeing all of that will help us to provide more insights or answers where needed. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Garrosh Spoilers
We run into a couple problems with the idea of keeping this a secret. As you mentioned, everyone knew who the end bosses were for the previous expansions. This set an expectation for each one. You could argue that this had to be done since the storyline was largely based on getting to that end boss and killing them.

But, either we don't say anything now and expectations go a different direction than we intend, or we tell people and "spoil" it. There's not going to be that same direct path to an end boss (at least initially) to get people prepared the same way as you were for Arthas or Illidan, or Deathwing. That said though, I don't think that, in the end, we're spoiling anything.

The news is out there now and we can focus first and foremost on getting to Pandaria and exploring it (while killing new and exotic creatures) and secondly, we can get right to the real enemy (war itself) after we've run amok there and caused all kinds of havoc with what should have remained a relatively tranquil place in the world. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Female Pandaren Model
I'm going to attempt to nip "complaints" in the bud a bit. First I'll link you to WoW Insider's write up about what they saw so that it's not just my word about how great this model looks- Go here to read.

Next, I'm going to simply say that what you are seeing is a small sample of what this character looks like. You have a choice of the red version (with long tail) or the more traditional pandaren style with the stub tail. She has many amazing new hairstyles you will get to see as well as many choices for her face and features. On top of this, this model looks amazing in motion.

I don't want to squash any discussions, because I think constructive feedback is always valuable, but we're pretty happy with how she came out and from what I've seen so far, a large portion of the community is as well. When you all get to see her within the game, we can talk some more if you still have some concerns. Again, I'm not trying to be dismissive, but seeing the character in motion with all of her options may well change this whole conversation you're trying to start up.

Don't get too caught up on getting nitty gritty with feature choices/facial choices, but there are a good amount to choose from. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Player Model Update
Considering the female panda looks awful I'm not looking forward to this.
This is a perfect example of why we have to be super careful with updating the models. People have vastly different opinions on what looks good and what doesn't.

Some people will no doubt love any upgrades we make to the models — others may not. When something you see on your screen all the time, something you may have been looking at for years and are perfectly happy with, suddenly gets changed, it may not be a welcome change for everyone. So we're not rushing it. Also, these model updates require the work of our very best artists, and those guys aren't exactly sitting twiddling their thumbs right now. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

New LFR Loot System
First, other players will not affect your loot in any way. Another player winning will not cause you to lose. Another player winning a mace will not mean that she took your mace. If there are many rogues in the raid, your chance of winning a rogue item is not diminished. We may decide that each player has an X% chance to get loot, or we may decide that X number of players get loot, and then randomly determine who those lucky players are.

Second, the item you win will be “useful” in the sense that it’s potentially usable by your current spec. This does not mean that warriors will get leather because warriors can equip leather (at a huge stat loss). It also does not mean that the game will always give you an item you want or an upgrade for the items you have. It just looks and says “You are a Holy priest, so here is a random item chosen from the Holy priest-appropriate items that this boss can drop.”

This system is a different feature from the “bonus roll.” When choosing to cash in on your bonus roll, you will always win something, but it may only be gold. If you win an item, the game again looks at your spec and only awards you an item appropriate for your current spec (using the priest example above).

Finally, this loot system will only be used in Raid Finder, and possibly for world bosses. We might consider using it for Dungeon Finder depending on how it works out. However, we still like the basic design of organized groups of guilds or friends deciding who should get loot. We will also no doubt iterate and refine the system once players can try it out in beta.

This sounds far too complicated for the average player.
That isn’t our intent. We’re providing details here because players want to understand them. In the game, the experience will just be “You won this.” You will either be happy because it’s an item or really happy because it’s a big upgrade for you. You may be jealous of other players who won great items, but you hopefully won’t hate them since they didn’t take an item away from you.

The main reason that they need to "fix" the way loot is gained is because people are too greedy/stupid and roll need on things they don't really need.
There’s probably some of that, but overall it’s not strictly a problem of players being malicious or uninformed. Raid Finder just feels different from a normal or heroic raid. The experience a lot of us have in Raid Finder is an item pops up, but the raid may already be pulling the next boss, and there isn’t time or inclination to sit down and discuss who should get the item, so you just hit Need if the game lets you. Often times you don’t even realize which items you won until the run is over. We think Raid Finder is a streamlined way to raid so it needs a more streamlined loot system. Reducing loot drama among strangers isn’t a bad goal either, but it wasn’t our only concern.

Can that system at least be used to have a boss not drop rogue items for a group that has no rogue...
Perhaps, but our concern was that if players have too much control over what loot dropped, it invites a lot of group engineering. You might be able to force the game to drop druid items if you formed a raid of nothing but druids. Both Valor Points and the new bonus roll design are intended to partially offset the potential for just having really bad luck.

Say Souldrinker, Bob wins it this week, is it possible for the loot system to give it to him again next week if he wins his roll?
The new system won't have a record of your loot history or check your inventory. In your example, Bob might win the same item off of the boss every week (assuming he's running as the same spec each time).

The only thing the system looks at is 1) if you are eligible for loot (have you killed this guy already this week?), and 2) what your current spec is.

Before this I would try and keep an eye out for good items for my off-spec assuming no one else needed the item in the group. When you do the same instance several times you're bound to get a tank that already has that item and so on
Ideally, you would gear up through dungeons or other sources of loot and enter as main spec. One of the sources of current loot frustration is when a player who isn’t in a role earns gear for that role. We also don’t want to give DPS players a bunch of tanking items that they don’t want. In Mists, the one way you can communicate to the game what gear you want is through the role you're filling in the raid.

We're confident there are enough alternate means to obtain viable loot for your off spec in Mists that you'll be adequately equipped to perform in that role when you want to.

So you can win the same item over and over? Doesn't this seem like a waste of loot?
Loot gets wasted today if someone needs it who already has it (probably because they need everything), or if the game just keeps dropping the same stuff over and over. Some amount of loot wastage is okay -- we don't actually want loot accrual to be too efficient or players finish the content too quickly. On the other hand, we don't want it to be so frustrating that players give up. Slot machines need to pay off once in awhile, but not every time.

There seems to be a fair amount of confusion about this system, so let me clarify some of what I'm seeing. Before jumping into it, just know we have plans to do a developer blog on Mists of Pandaria looting soon. We'd like to cover some of the larger questions/concerns in a more visible way, rather than further burying them in responses here.

Will the items that we win be trade-able?
You can’t trade loot if the game assigns it to you in LFR. That would defeat the whole purpose. Imagine it works like completing a quest – here is your personal, soulbound reward. If you enter with a full pre-made group, then you can use Master Looter or the loot system of your choice (just like today) and can trade items as normal.

You have a personal slot machine to play, and so do each of the other 24 raid members, and no ones personal slot machine affects the outcome of anyone ELSE'S slot machine.
This is correct. The only reason I offered that the game might decide how many players get loot in advance, is we thought it might be weird if sometimes 25 players or 0 players got loot -- that might feel broken to participants. However, for the sake of argument, just assume that other players won’t affect your loot. That is the whole point. It won’t matter whether you killed the boss with 1 player or 25 players, and it won’t matter what the spec or class is of those players. The loot is per person and not per raid.

If you are in a 25-player group, can people "pass" and increase the chance that other players will win, by reducing the number of people rolling in the group?
No. There is no concept of rolling in today’s sense (again, only when using this particular LFR looting system). A boss dies and the game says “You won this,” and gives the item to you… hopefully with a little more ceremony than that.

What's going to happen with bows?

In Mists of Pandaria, bows, crossbows and guns would be considered hunter-appropriate weapons. In LFR, a rogue or warrior would never be offered a bow as a loot reward. Rogues and warriors will still be able to equip ranged weapons, but they would be very sub-optimal for doing so (sort of the equivalent of a warrior wearing cloth). We left the ability to equip weapons for role-playing reasons and because some existing rogues and warriors have epic or legendary ranged weapons, and it would be mean if they could no longer equip them at all.

Everyone rolls - after everyone rolls, the top rollers will be eligible for loot - the boss then releases its random loot and whoever the top rollers are (who are able to use the items) wins the item
The new system is more different than that. Players aren’t asked to roll. The game just “makes the roll” behind the scenes. The game then picks appropriate loot for each of the winners. This is an important distinction because you aren’t competing with other players for specific items – all of the Arms and Fury warriors could win the two-handed Strength sword, or two could win the sword and the third could win a plate Strength helm, if that were also on the boss loot table.

Can't you guys just make the obvious: Make all the drop items unique?
Sure, we could do that, but it seems like all you are really asking for is for the loot system to be more efficient so that you have to run the raid fewer times to get the items you want (since you won’t “waste” a roll on a duplicate item). If we need for raiding to be more loot-efficient, there are many ways to do that, but we don’t want players to gear up too quickly or they run out of things to do. (We also don’t want them to gear up so slowly that they could lose interest.) Also consider that some players may want more than one copy of the same item for different spec or gemming purposes.

This still doesn't really address the problem of people rolling when they really don't need anything. What if those top 4 or 5 rollers all don't need anything off the boss and just receive gold? Completely unfair to the other 20 people who could have made use of the boss drops.
There is no roll like you are describing. A boss dies, and some players in the game will receive loot. They don’t have an option to pass or to get gold instead. But that’s okay, because what they do won’t affect what happens to you. Imagine everyone entering the raid gets a lottery scratch off card for each boss, and after a boss dies, everyone scratches off a card. Some players win. Some don’t. The game then pushes loot to the winners. Then you kill the next boss and scratch off another card.

I don't have a problem with someone winning a role if they can use the item even if it is offspec. I just don't like people being inconsiderate and rolling need when they don't need it or already have it.
We don’t think it’s reasonable to expect a group of strangers who may never play together again to be considerate, especially at the pace at which most Raid Finder groups progress. Often, there is barely time to hit Need or Pass, let alone have a discussion about who gets what loot. The goal of the system isn’t really to be “more fair,” but to make a more streamlined system to match the fast pace of Raid Finder, and to cut down on the number of arguments over loot, because the game will now be making all the decisions about who gets which item instead of the players. Life may still feel unfair sometimes, in that a player who contributed less than you wins a good item, or the player running the raid for the first time gets an item that you spent weeks to get, or someone may have six trinkets to your one. We still want random loot to be random, though the bonus roll system will help a little with being terminally unlucky. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Mists of Pandaria Website Updated
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
This week’s been a whirlwind of news as a massive amount of information regarding the World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria expansion is now out in the wild. Much of this new content has landed on our Mists of Pandaria site, with a particular focus on the exotic sights and unusual creatures you’ll encounter as you explore the long-hidden land of the pandaren. Click through to unveil:

  • A world map of the isle of Pandaria, including two previously unannounced zones: the Dread Wastes and the Krasarang Wilds.
  • A bestiary of Pandaria’s wondrous and monstrous races, like the tyrannical mogu and the wise jinyu.
  • Revised zone & dungeon pages, featuring videos of the Wandering Isle, Jade Forest, and Valley of the Four Winds.
  • Updated monk and pandaren pages -- check out the female pandaren, human monk, and more.

These updates just scratch the surface of what we have in store. We plan to reveal even more of the secrets of Pandaria on this site in the future, featuring details on zones and dungeons, a more expansive bestiary, the diverse factions of the pandaren continent, and the latest information on gameplay systems like challenge modes, pet battles, and scenarios.

Benvenuti su Azeroth: Italian Community Site Launches!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We are proud to present the new Italian World of Warcraft community site! Consider this the Italian base of operations for all the latest happenings in Azeroth, including all the features found here, such as an improved media section, contest details and, of course, community forums. As always, you'll want to check out the news feed regularly; we use it to share community highlights, game information and much more.

Some content is still being translated, so certain sections may still be in English for now, but we will keep you updated. In the meantime, take a minute to look around and get acquainted with the site. We look forward to sharing and discussing the latest World of Warcraft news, content and updates with you on our newest localized community site!

Mists of Pandaria Screenshots of the Day
The Screenshots of the Day section of the official site has been updated with new Mists of Pandaria screenshots.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Other Press Tour Interviews, A Night in Mists of Pandaria, Blue Posts, MoP Screenshot started by chaud View original post
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  1. Lemonpartyfan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tzalix View Post
    The thing is, you will still be able to make 10 cars a day if you want to, and it will still make you 20 dollars an hour. The guys making 5 cars a day won't be making 20 dollars an hour.
    Yes, he will be making 19 dollars an hour instead.

    ---------- Post added 2012-03-20 at 05:37 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Aerion View Post
    The game itself will automatically roll for you.

    To simplify (maybe even too much):


    • If you /roll above 50, you get the loot.
    • If you /roll below 50, you get nothing.
    • If the boss does not have loot for you, you get gold instead.


    Every single person in the raid will have the same roll presented to them and if they also /roll above 50 they also get the loot.
    In best case scenario, all 25 people in your 25-man LFR raid will /roll above 50 and get loot/gold.
    So basically you are only rolling against your own odds. Like flipping a coin. You win or you lose.

    That just sounds terrible...... making it almost skill less to get the loot, then possibly giving every person loot from every single boss?
  1. zoefschildpad's Avatar
    the question I have about the loot system is, well, let's take a shaman for instance: say a boss has the following loot: a token a spirit ring an agility cloak a piece of caster mail a dps caster trinket an agi axe if you're an enhancement shaman who really wants the axe it would appear to me that you would first have to win a roll (which you'll have a decent chance of doing) and then win another roll (at 1/6th) in order to get the one item you actually want. and have a 50/50 chance of getting something useful. while a pure dps like a rogue has a much better chance of getting taht particular item.
  1. LegitNapkins's Avatar
    A MAJOR patch every 4 months, and a MINOR patch every 2? If they keep up with this promise, I will be really impressed.Not holding my breath though.
  1. Collected's Avatar
    "Mounts are on the list of things to be made account wide, either at launch or a patch soon after."Finally. Please let this include any epic mount.
  1. greyghost's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xiatian Ji View Post
    I'm not a fan of the new LFR loot system at all. I'd rather roll against 5-6 players some of the time vs. 24 all of the time.
    You're not rolling against 24 players. There isn't a set quantity of items dropping from the boss, so there's no 'shot at loot rights' to 'fight' over. It's not musical chairs where there's 10 chairs and 25 people sprinting to them.

    It's like the ICC Raid Quest bags. You do a task (kill a boss), you receive the bag quest reward satchel (your individual shot at raid boss loot) and you get either gold + valor points OR an epic + valor points. You get one of these 'bags' each time you kill a boss.

    The end.

    It's just that simple.

    You're not rolling against anyone. You get your "goody bag" (read: roll window) and you "open" it (click applicable 'yes I would like to get an item' button). It can even be compared to the geodes from Dragon Soul normal/heroic. You get a guaranteed shot at a gem from each boss, you crack it open and you may or may not get an epic gem, but you'll always get SOMETHING, and your success at it has zero dependency on whether or not anyone else in your group got something. Zilch. Zip. None whatsoever.

    People are making this seem like a quantum physics engine of rolling and group politics. It's not. As shown by the blue responses on that whole thread and how some of even more are carrying on restating things incorrectly in THIS thread, a lot of you people are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Just read the blue text and apply some common sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by LegitNapkins View Post
    A MAJOR patch every 4 months, and a MINOR patch every 2? If they keep up with this promise, I will be really impressed.Not holding my breath though.
    Incidentally, this is the exact same thing Blizzard promised leading up to the launch of 4.1. My immediate reaction was, "Well okay then, for this to have any relevance, 4.1 needs to come out NOW (February-ish 2011) and 4.2 needs to come out in April (2011) or else I'm not impressed." They wound up being off by 1 and 3 months, respectively.

    So yeah, no one should hold their breath on this, but damn would it ever be nice if they could pull it off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Yes, he will be making 19 dollars an hour instead.

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    That just sounds terrible...... making it almost skill less to get the loot, then possibly giving every person loot from every single boss?
    Well, it doesn't really require much skill in pressing need, greed or pass button in the first place.

    And rolling system will most likely be balanced in a way that it rewards the approximate same amount of loot than normal/heroic versions.
    However that may be, there's still the possibility, even though it's extremely unlikely, that every single person will win their rolls. It still does not mean that everyone will get loot since bosses only drop certain amount of randomized loot per kill (3-4 items from the actual boss loot table).
  1. Lemonpartyfan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHamster View Post
    No it won't, and in case you haven't noticed, what you call casual is to make content that is for everyone, but still always reward dedicated players with more rewards.

    Maybe you don't even do hardmodes, then feel pissed because your normal loot isn't that much better than LFR.

    some people...
    I'm not totally against LFR. I'm glad people get to see all the great and hard work Blizzard puts into raids/dungeons etc. I'm more annoyed about how the current system allows people to afk through LFR, and still win"epics"... if you barely have to do anything but show up to get them, why ot just make them blues?

    And how do you know? Are you in charge of Blizzard? I remember in wrath, a lot of people being annoyed when LFD came out, then the debuff to ICC... they said "how much easier and more casual can you get? Will raids be next?"

    If you guys want to pull the "majority rules" argument, what about people who actually spend the most time in the game? Shouldn't that matter? SO Blizzard should pander to the people who spend an hour a week in lfr, as opposed to people who spend multiple hours a day? I don't play many MMO's anymore, but I've always thought that effort+time invested+skill= reward. I was just in an LFR and a guy did 9k dps overall. He still won some epics. But thats okay. He paid 15$ right?

    So I guess its pretty much just pay to get epics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Yes, he will be making 19 dollars an hour instead.
    You can complain all day about people getting rewarded for playing (I'll assume that's all it is since more difficult challenges give unique rewards you can show off), but the bottom line is that you're a minority and you're no longer being catered to the extent you were in vanilla. There are still plenty of challenges out there with appropriately elite rewards that you can go for that many people will probably never get, like the gold medals that were mentioned. If you want to be an elitist, you still can, but that requires effort, as it should.



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    That just sounds terrible...... making it almost skill less to get the loot, then possibly giving every person loot from every single boss?
    Are you saying clicking need, greed or pass requires skill? The solution is very simple really. You down a boss, you get a reward. What reward that is will be determined by behind-the-scenes loot rolls. All this does is reward you for making the effort, rather than giving the majority of the raid the proverbial finger. I don't see at all how skill affects loot rolls, or how it ever has.
  1. necrobear's Avatar
    A new minor glyph that allow druids to stay in tree form has been added.Wait, wait, wait. So does this mean that the druids are once again able to use this form without a cd?
  1. Lemonpartyfan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Keadin84 View Post
    You can complain all day about people getting rewarded for playing (I'll assume that's all it is since more difficult challenges give unique rewards you can show off), but the bottom line is that you're a minority and you're no longer being catered to the extent you were in vanilla. There are still plenty of challenges out there with appropriately elite rewards that you can go for that many people will probably never get, like the gold medals that were mentioned. If you want to be an elitist, you still can, but that requires effort, as it should.



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    Are you saying clicking need, greed or pass requires skill? The solution is very simple really. You down a boss, you get a reward. What reward that is will be determined by behind-the-scenes loot rolls. All this does is reward you for making the effort, rather than giving the majority of the raid the proverbial finger. I don't see at all how skill affects loot rolls, or how it ever has.

    NO, I think its terrible that 25 people could possibly win loot on every boss in the raid.

    Also, thank you for allowing me to express my views. I'm glad you're the one to allow that. If you want call names, I will too. You sound like a greedy, selfish child that wants something for nothing. I'm sorry, but just saying work time and effort should be rewarded instead of just logging on and Qing up... doesn't make me an elitist.

    If the people in favor of the current system can go ahead and tell me " Hey the loot isn't as good, why worry about the loot?" Then why don't I say that? Whats the argument against making LFR loot BLUE. Casuals still get rewards. LFR can be all about what they said originally, a way for casuals to see the lore and story, and a training ground for Normal mode. You can hit dungeons, then heroics, then LFR. You get all that. The training, loot, and you get to see the story. No more " Only 1% saw the Sunwell arguments. Tons of people saw ICC by the way... without LFR.
  1. SpNiz's Avatar
    Did I miss it or are they still adding a mount or something cool with JC? :>
  1. buggerlugs's Avatar
    if people are concerned about how their characters will look after a model update, and blizzard are aware of this, then why dont they do the decent thing and offer 1 free race change to everyone on all their characters when the xpack comes out?
  1. Snore's Avatar
    "Mounts are on the list of things to be made account wide, either at launch or a patch soon after." Nice one Blizzard. This means there won't be any rare mounts anymore.
  1. gilthasnar's Avatar
    I hope they change the shape of the moonkin form.....is really old and ugly.
  1. buggerlugs's Avatar
    World PvP may be encouraged by rewards such as raising the Conquest Points cap when
    that wont encourage world pvp. The whole pvp system needs re-making. Everyone should have access to the same gear and rewards should be purely cosmetic - this will show who has skill/class knowledge and who doesnt. currently a lot of those who may have skill get quicker access to better gear, giving them an even bigger advantage - that system is fundamentally flawed and always has been. Make pvp enjoyable ffs and THAT would encourage game play.
  1. Aerion's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Snore View Post
    "Mounts are on the list of things to be made account wide, either at launch or a patch soon after." Nice one Blizzard. This means there won't be any rare mounts anymore.
    You still need to have them. It doesn't diminish the rarity of the mounts as much as it just gives you the ability to show them where ever you play. You still have to earn the mounts with one class to gain it for the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    NO, I think its terrible that 25 people could possibly win loot on every boss in the raid.

    Also, thank you for allowing me to express my views. I'm glad you're the one to allow that. If you want call names, I will too. You sound like a greedy, selfish child that wants something for nothing. I'm sorry, but just saying work time and effort should be rewarded instead of just logging on and Qing up... doesn't make me an elitist.

    If the people in favor of the current system can go ahead and tell me " Hey the loot isn't as good, why worry about the loot?" Then why don't I say that? Whats the argument against making LFR loot BLUE. Casuals still get rewards. LFR can be all about what they said originally, a way for casuals to see the lore and story, and a training ground for Normal mode. You can hit dungeons, then heroics, then LFR. You get all that. The training, loot, and you get to see the story. No more " Only 1% saw the Sunwell arguments. Tons of people saw ICC by the way... without LFR.
    What difference does it make to you if 25 people win loot on a boss? You still get your one roll, that doesn't change, and now they're not interfering with you. Seriously, who gives a damn how much loot random strangers get?

    "Whats the argument against making LFR loot BLUE" You can make the loot any colour you want. In fact loot colour is completely arbitrary, they could make everything white for all I care.
  1. Cirque's Avatar
    Monks will have autoattack, as gameplay just didn't feel right without it. Wah I'm so disappointed, was looking forward to that. Auto-attack always felt wrong. I never really enjoyed melee classes in WoW but I loved them so much in SWTOR, and the fact WoW was going to introduce some of that gameplay in Wow really had me going. That's such a shame.
  1. Lemonpartyfan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jackdemenzes View Post
    What difference does it make to you if 25 people win loot on a boss? You still get your one roll, that doesn't change, and now they're not interfering with you. Seriously, who gives a damn how much loot random strangers get?

    "Whats the argument against making LFR loot BLUE" You can make the loot any colour you want. In fact loot colour is completely arbitrary, they could make everything white for all I care.

    Thats my point. You should care. Why not just give you whatever loot you want? I feel like having that, that and that today, so give it to me! GIMME GIMME GIMME. Why would someone want jewelry? Its more useless than this fake gear we play the game for?

    Who do you think unsubbed recently? Was it the hardcore gamers that love WoW, or was it the countless casuals who just can't be bothered to try, got tons of epics for nothing in LFR and are now bored with the game?
  1. Sileah's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Snore View Post
    "Mounts are on the list of things to be made account wide, either at launch or a patch soon after." Nice one Blizzard. This means there won't be any rare mounts anymore.
    So let's take the Raven Lord as an example. I don't have it. None of my friends have it. So here comes Blizzard making mounts account wide...

    I still don't have it. My friends still don't have it. But somehow it's now less rare?

    Ok suppose I do have it. I can sign on With exactly one toon at a time to display it. How is that any different than what I can do now?

    Ok, it is a different toon. Are you tracking which toons have which mount?

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