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Kun-Lai Summit Zone Preview
Longview and Dr. Wuky offer us a look at Kun-Lai Summit in a previous beta build.

Important - As usual, this is WORK IN PROGRESS. The screenshots and video do not reflect the final version of the zone.


















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WoW China Developers Q&A
Otarma was kind enough to translate some of the questions from the WoW China Developers Q&A for us. If you want to see all of the questions or help to provide a more accurate translation, see the original topic!

Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
Will we be able to steal people's crops in the Tiller's farming area?
No, you are the only one who can see your farm.

Will there be more faction-themed mounts (e.g. Armored Razzashi Raptor and Rivendare's Deathcharger)? Some complain that Alliance can have more Horde-themed mounts.
We want to make sure both factions have all the new mounts. After all, even in the old days, all that it took to collect all the mounts was a lot of time investment.

Are there plans to adjust leveling speed? Or lower the XP required to level from 60 to 80?
It's hard to say. The current leveling speed is already too fast. Many players switch to next area so quickly that they cannot experience the full quest lore. We might adjust the quest routes for levels 60 to 80 so that players can choose the route they want.

I heard there would be archaeology dailies. Are these dailies available only when archaeology skill reaches 525? Or is it like the fishing and cooking dailies in Cata, which merely require minimum skill points?
The latter. Archaeology dailies are like fishing and cooking, chosen randomly from 3-5 quests every day.

Is there a reputation requirement to use elder tokens to buy gear?
No. You will be able to use elder tokens to buy gear from specific NPCs. The elder-token gear is different from the reputation gear sold by reputation vendors. Except for some gear that requires certain levels, you can buy many enchants from these NPCs (similar to those provided by rep vendors in Cata). Rep vendors will also sell some rep gear like before that costs gold, not elder tokens, and this gear requires certain level of reputation.

Is it possible to introduce the option of invalidating the Alt+Tab combination like SC2 does so that players who do arenas or raids won't accidentally switch to their desktop? Such accidents are common because many players use Alt in their customized hotkeys.
Currently we don't have such plan. Our UI settings are already too complicated.

Will there be some graphical upgrades in Mists of Pandaria?
We further enhanced rendering, shadow and environment fog. But they are not easy to see. We may consider giving a detailed list of changes or some before-after comparison screenshots.

Some players feel empty during the time of leveling from 1 to 85 because of the acquiring frequency of skills and talents decreased. What do you think?
The frequency at which you acquire skills is as high as it was before, if not higher. After all, those skills that used to require talent points are available from your specialization directly. The most different part now is players do not click talent trees once every 1 or 2 levels. We never considered it interesting to have players choose to add 1% damage to their frost spells. We plan to introduce a window to tell players when they can learn a certain spell. However, the new talent system is more important to level 90 characters than the leveling characters. We will introduce a similar mechanic to dungeon unlocks. (e.g. a Level 15 Horde character will receive a message to tell him/her that Ragefire is accessible now)

Is there going to be a queuing system for challenge mode dungeons like the normal and heroic dungeons?
Np. Challenge modes will be extremely difficult. You have to run the challenge with a group that you are familiar with. Our current design philosophy is that once a member goes AFK after entering the dungeon, you will have to start over.

Is there going to be any requirement to enter challenge modes? Since all the ilevels of a player's gear are normalized, will there still be something like an ilevel requirement?
There will be a minimum ilevel requirement, maybe higher than heroic dungeon.

Ideally, how long will it take for a PuG to complete a run of a heroic dungeon in Mists? You mentioned earlier that the difficulty of heroic dungeon would be close to the ones of WotLK, so how about the time taken?
The time needed to complete a WotLK heroic dungeon varied greatly from the time this expansion launched to the introduction of LFD. In Mists we believe 30 to 45 minutes is an ideal average value.

Will there be any rules about pet trading? Will we be able to trade pets of limited editions (like Panda Cub) or Blizzard Store pets (like Wind Rider Cub)? How about achievement pets?
We plan to allow players to trade Blizzard Store pets excluding Guardian Cub (because it's not BoP and it's unique). Collector's edition and other limited edition pets (like Mini Tyrael or BlizzCon pets) will not be tradable, either.

You said earlier that not all pets can take part in pet battle system. What are the exceptions?
Currently the exceptions are pets with humanoid children models. They will not be included in pet battle system. Nor will the Guardian Cub.

Scenarios seem fun enough. Will they provide some solid rewards other than VP and rep? And are all scenarios accessible only to level 90 players?
Given the simplicity and convenience of Scenarios, VP and rep are enough. Currently scenarios are accessible to level 90 players only, but we might introduce some low-level scenarios in future.

Compared with WotLK and TBC, leveling from 80 to 85 in Cataclysm is significantly faster. How about MoP?
It's hard to predict before the game goes live. On average we think it won't be faster than Cataclysm since you are not allowed to use flying mounts during leveling. So the time taken should be a little bit longer.

Some players think it's not a good idea to have Mistweavers healing while damage-dealing. Have you considered other devices of gaining chi?
We won't force Mistweavers to do so. It's only an optional game style, just like Atonement Priests healing with Smite. In some special encounters, Mistweavers can totally stay in the back of the raid with other healers. We haven't completed all the Monks skills so chances are some other ways of gaining chi can be added in.

The number of 25-man raiding guilds seems to be declining. Are there going to be any plans to encourage them? Or do you plan to remove 25-man raids?
A: The number of 25-man raiding guilds is probably going to keep decreasing, but we will still continue to provide 25-man raids unless one day no one does 25-man raids anymore. We do not have direct plans to encourage players to choose 25-man. We hope to keep 10-man and 25-man raids close enough so players can choose the type that they find interesting. (Provided you have enough people to run 10-man or 25-man raids)



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Talent System Feedback
I wonder, when mop rolls out, and every fire mage has the same spec, will you admit failure? Theory crafters will figure out which combination of talents and glyphs provides the best dps given a situation. We call those situations boss fights. Look back at your data, and tell me how many fire mage specs where used on ragnaros.
Yep, we would admit failure if every Fire mage still takes the same talents. We don't think the theorycrafters will be able to solve the problem as easily as you describe though. Does Greater Invis or Cauterize provide the higher dps? Both can save your life, depending on you and the situation. Maybe Nether Tempest or Living Bomb might have a marginally higher dps than each other for some fights, but still, it's much easier for us to balance two abilities against each other than it is to balance a 33/5/3 build against a 34/3/4 build.

As to your Ragnaros question, the answer as you can imagine is that the talent builds were virtually identical. That's what we we're trying to fix. However, if you look at glyphs, the situation is much more diverse. The new talents are more akin to Major glyphs, in that they aren't just passive dps increases. About 30% of mages had Glyph of Dragon's Breath and about 30% had Glyph of Blink. Which was the higher dps? Apparently there was disagreement, or nobody knew, or it didn't matter.

You didn't remove traps either. Look at warriors. Yep blade storm tanking sounds boss.. until you realize that dodge, parry and block do not function while channeling an ability. Don't worry, I had to look that up on a third party website, because blizzard refuses to document their own games basic mechanics.
We want Bladestorm to be attractive to tanks. It would be a flaw in the tree if one of the talents was a no-brainer to skip. In 5.0, Bladestorm does not prevent dodge, block or parry, and it even allows shouts, of which Last Stand is included.

I sympathize with the problem that our tooltips can't explain all of the nuance, depth and exceptions for the abilities. At times we have tried to be more complete, but the tooltips ended up reading like legal documents and of course grew very long. It's a problem we'll continue to try and solve though.

The issue is you are asking us to ignore the fact it's you that designed the 4.x system and you also similary tried to "sell us" that system as a net positive back in the pre-4.0 days. It's a matter of trust and prior performance.
Hey, we're happy to admit our mistakes and try to improve the game for the future. I suspect you'd probably prefer that than if we stubbornly clung to failed experiments. Our sincere hope is that new talent system fixes the problem of player choice and customization once and for all. I think it has a strong chance of doing so. But I've been in this business long enough to know that I might be wrong.

If for an example in a raid I am a healer who "never has to move" or that the "movement I do doesn't really need any fancy augmentation from a talent" then offering me three "movement" talents won't seem interesting. That's why throughput "increasers" seem more interesting to people because at least they can see the utility because for the most part
I'm not trying to nitpick through all these examples. I just want to communicate that the system would be a lot less compelling if there were obvious choices or non-choices like this. But please keep telling us of any you think fall into that category. We have time to fix them.

We do some Patchwerk-style fights still (Ultraxion was pretty close), but there are plenty of fights with many moving parts as well. Maybe we're arguing semantics here, but I don't think "increasers" are interesting. They may be useful, perhaps even mandatory, but that works against their being interesting. You don't have to think about them much. You don't have to experiment. You don't have to be a clever player to benefit from them. They just kind of sit there, making your numbers bigger.

Deciding "will I use this talent?" is interesting (in my definition anyway, which is the definition commonly used in game design, so maybe I'm just slipping into industry jargon). Deciding how to use the talent is interesting. I love the thought that a mage who has killed the Sha of Fear a dozen times might decide to switch from Rune of Power to Incanter's Ward, just to keep things interesting.

As an example from Mage Tier 4, Cold Snap screams Frost. It does not reset any Fire or Arcane ability, want to take a guess how often any Fire or Arcane mage takes that? Or flip it around, want to take a guess how often any Frost mage doesn't take it?
Cold Snap doesn't reset Frozen Orb though, which would make it too attractive to Frost and not attractive enough for Fire. It resets spells like Frost Nova, which all mages have and will likely use. It also restores your health, making it useful even if you don't have a spell on cooldown.

Agreeing with this sentiment more and more as I peruse the new warrior tree. None of the talent choices are exciting at all relative to the other two choices in the tiers. It really does feel like I can just pick whatever without any real impact on my performance.
You *should* be able to pick whatever you want without any impact on your performance. If one talent increased your performance more than the others, we would all just take that talent (unless some of us didn't care about performance, which is always possible).

Bladestorm, Shockwave and Dragon Roar all have different cooldowns. That alone will give them a different feel -- do you want to hit weaker buttons more frequently or more powerful buttons more rarely? But your overall DPS can be the same (unless the fight length makes the length of the cooldowns relevant, but even that is interesting in that you need to consider it). If Dragon Roar did the highest damage in most situations, then the other two choices are boring and won't get used a lot.

This attitude 'use cookie cutters or you're bad' annoys me to no end, in vanilla, TBC I not ONCE used a cookie cutter spec and on my NE priest I was second tank healer in Molten core at 58
If that's the case, that's awesome. That's what we want. But most players aren't in your situation. They take virtually the same talent choices as everyone else. You would probably be sad too if you felt like that was your only real option. We want every player to feel like they can choose whether they like A instead of B or C.

GC you take so much heat. Props to you man, for weathering a very turbulent storm daily.
It's cool, man. They just want the game to be fun, which is exactly what we want. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

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This article was originally published in forum thread: Kun-Lai Summit Preview, Dragon Soul Challenge, Developers Q&A, Blue Posts, TCG Art started by chaud View original post
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  1. Steamwheedle's Avatar
    Are there plans to adjust leveling speed? Or lower the XP required to level from 60 to 80?
    It's hard to say. The current leveling speed is already too fast. Many players switch to next area so quickly that they cannot experience the full quest lore. We might adjust the quest routes for levels 60 to 80 so that players can choose the route they want.
    This is a huge ideology problem for Blizzard, in my opinion. At what point was it determined that players HAVE to experience all of the "quest lore" in all of the zones? At what point was it determined that this was more important than a smooth, engaging levelling arc?

    Frankly, as far as I'm aware, most players already skip 3-4 of 7 Outland zones because they don't need to do the rest. The only way to experience all of the zones at the right level would be to actively forego part of the "quest lore" from other zones. I don't think the problem with Outland is missing out on quest lore, there's so little of it to actually enjoy that tethers to any engaging storyline experience. Hellfire has a lot of Fel Orcs, but you never really learn too much about why unless you read every scrap of quest text. Zangarmarsh has something to do with Naga stealing water, but that too isn't very interesting. Most players probably don't have a clue as to why there are a bunch of black dragons impaled in Blade's Edge Mountains.

    I suppose what I'm getting at, is that the supposed "quest lore" in Outland zones at least is not really worth enjoying. It's not up to the standards we've come to expect from the 1-60 experience, or the levelling experience offered by other MMOs that give you a better feel for what you're doing and why you're doing it. Enjoying it for its own sake at the expense of a fun levelling experience is what causes players to encounter inertia and stop playing because they feel that their character isn't progressing as fast as they would like.
  1. metareal's Avatar
    I'm very disapointed by the ilvl requirement for the challenge mode: "There will be a minimum ilevel requirement, maybe higher than heroic dungeon."

    I really thought that part was about a common playing field by being able to play based on teamwork and skill only for level capped players.

    It turns out that even there you need to go first to the mother of all classes: the "super size" me - non challenging- time gatherer for pointification and the glorification of maximum fat stuffication.

    Deal breaker for me. Verticals, verticals and more verticals. Blizzard don't get the social era we are living now.
  1. Zokten's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Biske View Post
    Player questioning seems to just be getting more and more aggressive over time. I half expected to find a question in there saying "When are you going to admit you suck? Oh and I hate your family too." I'm surprised the blues don't just go "you know what? Screw you. The money isn't even worth this anymore" and close WoW.
    Screw you guys we hate raking in money in by the truck load.....lol wat
  1. Tyv's Avatar
    Personally I think it looks beautiful, Sha of Anger is huge! cant wait for people to start testing it! Challenge modes being being 'extremely difficult' is a bonus too.

    Tyv
  1. Strafer's Avatar
    If only I could do that shit they want on the Curse jobsite.
  1. Meldon's Avatar
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    It would be a flaw in the tree if one of the talents was a no-brainer to skip
    *cough* Mass Entanglement *cough*
  1. otarma's Avatar
    "The number of 25-man raiding guilds is probably going to keep decreasing." This should be more accurate. It's future tense or a guess.

    Keep in mind that the texts were translated twice, so some losses of meaning were inevitable. Still I am sorry for the inconveniences.
  1. Alenarien's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nephyron View Post
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    It would be a flaw in the tree if one of the talents was a no-brainer to skip
    *cough* Mass Entanglement *cough*
    -Warsong Gulch
    -Miniature army of at least 5 people chasing the flag carrier as he runs back to his base
    -A smart druid enters the scene
    -Casts Mass Entanglement upon the group
    -Flag Carrier returns to base and captures the flag
    -Alliance/Horde win!

    The new talents really aren't so easy to cookie cut.
  1. Nadev's Avatar
    Holy crap, so many snarky assholes in that feedback thread. No wonder blues are cranky.
  1. DragonSoul's Avatar
    why advertise jobs in accounts and php development most people who come to this forum are clueless in those types of areas including me
  1. Peeb's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by DragonSoul View Post
    why advertise jobs in accounts and php development most people who come to this forum are clueless in those types of areas including me
    Then it's not clearly directed for you or people who are clueless in those types of areas. Doesn't mean everybody else is clueless.
  1. Orochiro's Avatar
    After looking at all these new zones from ground perspective I kinda wish that Blizzard would have never even added flying mounts to the game...
  1. VXBlade's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by DragonSoul View Post
    why advertise jobs in accounts and php development most people who come to this forum are clueless in those types of areas including me
    Just because you, and most people you personally know apparently, have no clue as to what those are, does not mean the 99.9% of the rest of the world visiting these forums and website are as clueless....

    ---------- Post added 2012-04-21 at 07:05 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Orochiro View Post
    After looking at all these new zones from ground perspective I kinda wish that Blizzard would have never even added flying mounts to the game...
    After playing Swtor (Briefly) then coming back to wow, my toon while mounted moves WAY too slow for my liking. I'm not against no flying mounts, but then speed up ground mounts to 310%. I don't care what the hell they are, one of things I apparently have a hard time tolerating is moving through a 3D rendered world with the breaks on. Don't care one bit if I'm on the ground or in the air....
  1. Alceus's Avatar
    Lol beware of the goat-cycle monkey gang.

    http://media.mmo-champion.com/images.../KunLai040.jpg
  1. akamurdoch's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by metareal View Post
    I'm very disapointed by the ilvl requirement for the challenge mode: "There will be a minimum ilevel requirement, maybe higher than heroic dungeon."

    I really thought that part was about a common playing field by being able to play based on teamwork and skill only for level capped players.

    It turns out that even there you need to go first to the mother of all classes: the "super size" me - non challenging- time gatherer for pointification and the glorification of maximum fat stuffication.

    Deal breaker for me. Verticals, verticals and more verticals. Blizzard don't get the social era we are living now.
    people will still run challenges with same ilvl just mean its higher threshold to enter it.
  1. greyghost's Avatar
    I think we've seen the China CMs saying stuff that wound up being not entirely true, so I wouldn't put money down on that "We want 25-man raids to die" quote. It could be anything from a mistranslation to a misinformed employee.
  1. rogueMatthias's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by metareal View Post
    I'm very disapointed by the ilvl requirement for the challenge mode: "There will be a minimum ilevel requirement, maybe higher than heroic dungeon."

    I really thought that part was about a common playing field by being able to play based on teamwork and skill only for level capped players.

    It turns out that even there you need to go first to the mother of all classes: the "super size" me - non challenging- time gatherer for pointification and the glorification of maximum fat stuffication.

    Deal breaker for me. Verticals, verticals and more verticals. Blizzard don't get the social era we are living now.
    I don't get what the problem is. Challenge modes are, under my interpretation, meant to be much more challenging versions of the Heroic Dungeons. The ilvl requirement should be AT LEAST what the heroic requirement is... otherwise you would be able to do a Challenge version of a dungeon without even having done the normal heroic version.

    Having the ilvl higher to ensure that people have ran through ther heroics enough to get used to them is only a good thing. If Blizz is confident that you need to have completed the normal heroics enough (and thus gained further gear from them, even if it is then normalised) and understand them well before attempting the challenge versions then I think they're heading in the right direction.

    If you just want something social, do heroics with some friends. From the soudns of it, if you actually stop and talk at all or mess around in challenge versions, you would already have failed.
  1. Ryme's Avatar
    Thank you for featuring the speed run, especially in an apparently large news post, I really think it will help.
  1. Paola's Avatar
    Kun-Lai Summit zone looks nice.
  1. Isharii's Avatar
    Would be interested in that speed run challenge if it wasnt being casted by Athene. I cant stand listening to him.

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