MMO-Champion - Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We recently added account-level changes to achievements in World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria, and there’s still a lot of work left before we’re done. The plan here is to illustrate the intent behind our design, which should in turn help you figure out the answers to many of your questions.

Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.

This goal is paramount and drives everything else. If we allowed you to earn extra achievement points from completing an achievement on two different characters, then you might only want to play the character with the most points and you’d feel like you had to grind through all the achievements with every alt, thus defeating the purpose of having account-level achievements.

Most achievements are account-wide

This means you only earn the points once. If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement. We think it’s still important to recognize milestones like reaching level 80, maxing out a profession, or killing a raid boss for the first time. It's fun to have everyone congratulate you when you get the toast. Nonetheless, this will just be a new character of yours completing the achievement that you’ve already earned on your account. You won’t double up on points.

Most criteria are not account-wide

If you start an achievement on one character, you can't then finish the achievement on another (there are exceptions, so please keep reading). We didn't think it made sense for one character to get level 60 and another to get level 20 and then see the "level 80" achievement toast. If you start to explore Thousand Needles on one character, you’ll probably want to finish that achievement on the same character.

Some achievements are "meta achievements."

These are achievements that require you to get other specific achievements. An infamous example is "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been." These achievements generally ARE account-wide. If one character earned Noble Gardener and another character earned The Flame Warden, then your account would get Long Strange Trip. (Otherwise it would be weird: it would look as if you had the sub-achievements, but you wouldn't have the meta-achievement). Even though you need Explore Thousand Needles on one character, all of your characters can contribute to Explore Kalimdor.

A very few achievements are account-only.

There are two categories of account-only achievements. One is achievements that are not possible to earn on one character. If we made an achievement to level every class to level 90, it would be account-only. (I'm not sure we will, but it's a good example.) The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.

We hope that rewards granted from achievements (pets, mounts, titles, and tabards) will be shared at the account level.

I'm not going to promise this yet, because a lot of magic has to happen for that to work, but it's our intent. We have discussed having a character level requirement for some rewards, so that your level-2 gnome couldn’t walk around with the “Defender of a Shattered World” title just because your level-90 shaman earned it. If the gnome made it to level 80, though, you could proudly show off your title. You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction. The achievement wouldn’t go away -- you just wouldn’t be able to show it off on that character. There are probably additional exceptions and details we’ll find as we dig deeper into the system.

This is the kind of system that will evolve over time, and we don’t think this has to be the way achievements work forever. As beta players start experimenting with it and offering feedback, I am certain that we will end up making even more changes.

Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is Lead Systems Designer for World of Warcraft. He loves you very, very much. Yes, you.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Bringing Achievements to the Account Level started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 231 Comments
  1. N-aix's Avatar
    Oh wonderful I'll be The blood thirsty in MoP then, Mission SUCCESS!
  1. Schintus's Avatar
    Only due a few expansions...
  1. zwiggy's Avatar
    i still want to know if i do rick lover on 10 alts in 1 day will i get the achi for doing it 10 times when MoP comes out
  1. Caribald's Avatar
    If they just don't make any "account only" achievements (all classes to level 90, all professions to 600 etc) I will be VERY happy. Especially since honorable kills will be shared among all characters, I didn't think they would do that.
  1. ravnsdaughter's Avatar
    I am so excited for this, considering how much of an altaholic I am.

    I'm wondering if this is going to apply to Feats of Strength too. I have Insane in the Membrane on my main, and would be absolutely thrilled to be able to display it on other characters as well.
  1. Valla's Avatar
    Oh my.

    Light of Dawn and Ashes of Al'ar for everygirl!
  1. Lypo's Avatar
    But...I have done 2500 dailies on a single character. :/
  1. Inactivity's Avatar
    Personally, I support having account-only achievements for "grindy" achievements (250K honorable kills, 2500 daily quests) as well as "grindy" mounts (rare mount drops come to mind), but not for effort-required achievements such as raid titles and PvP titles/mounts.

    Those should still be per-character.
  1. xskarma's Avatar
    Very nice! I've always had a thing against doing loremaster, cause doing that stuff as an 85 is just rather boring and stupid. I'd rather experience it at the appropriate level. And now I can get Loremaster just for that. I'll probably have a few area's left to do, when 5.0 hits but I can not only choose to do this on the right level then, but also on any char I like if higher level.

    Also I did 2500 dailies on 1 char, should I feel bad about myself now? o.O
  1. Kuhnai182's Avatar
    I wonder if it's across realms. I hope it is...
  1. Anjerith's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Inactivity View Post
    Personally, I support having account-only achievements for "grindy" achievements (250K honorable kills, 2500 daily quests) as well as "grindy" mounts (rare mount drops come to mind), but not for effort-required achievements such as raid titles and PvP titles/mounts.

    Those should still be per-character.
    All achievements will still be "per-character" that is the point of the post. Each character can still earn the achievements, you are just able to see the achievements completed on your account and the highest number of points earned. It even points out what characters have actually earned the achievement for you.
  1. kellyc's Avatar
    Sorry for still not understanding. But lets say I wanna go for "The Loremaster"
    Can I be "Loremaster of Cataclysm" on my mage and then "Loremaster of..(the rest)" and still get the achievement ""The Loremaster"?
    Cuz when he explains the "meta achievements." it does sound like thats possible.
  1. SteakAndAlePie's Avatar
    I kinda dislike still getting the toast message, not on a personal level, but on a guild level. I am kinda tired to congratulate each guildies twink on nonsense achievements like "catch a fish", "maraudon" and "get a pet". I don't want to be impolite either.

    The good thing is, this will puzzle together my loremaster achievement currently scattered on like 7 twinks and my main.
  1. Elithian's Avatar
    Looks interesting, I hope Blizz does this well
  1. hellboyy's Avatar
    i would still like pvp and raid titles at least to be character specific, it's a bit silly seeing a newly dinged toon suddenly walking around with 'savior of azeroth' or sumthing.
  1. Xista's Avatar
    Well my 'account' or 'main toon' just went from 111k HKs > 150+
  1. Saladface's Avatar
    I hope there is still a system where even if someone links an achievement for a raid boss kill, it will list the characters completed on. Achievements are useful for seeing if someone is progressed enough to join your raid group, and I'd like to make sure they have killed a raid boss ON the character in question, not just their main.
  1. Count Zero's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zergal View Post
    Bloodthirsty inc, yay.

    Still not a big fan of the change as it literally kills the ''unique'' feel of every alts but meh.
    Idk, feels it removes more options and create more problems than it solve.
    Nothing is stopping you from doing all those things on your alts.
  1. Moinaldo's Avatar
    Great news! ! !
  1. p3charmed2024's Avatar
    I personally think almost all achievements should be account wide... Its not the character that earned the achievements, its indeed the player... bc trust me, I AM THE ONE THAT PLAYED FOR 6 years not a character.

    And someone once mentioned " how will i know a player is good bc now their alts have all these good achievements.. how do i know this dude is good on his alt?" HELLo HOW ABOUT DOING IT THE OLD FASHION WAY, test run him, talk to him, ect... you know, what u did b4 there was achievements in the game.. sheesh.
    Im sorry but If i spend 2 years grinding out Battlemaster and mounts/ titles ect... heck ya I wanna show it on whatever character i play., bc no my mage didnt earn it I DID!.
    And if for some reason my guild no longer needs my mage and they need a healer... I roll a healer, then yes i should have the same achievements show on my healer bc i as a player earned them.

    the end

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