MMO-Champion - Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We recently added account-level changes to achievements in World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria, and there’s still a lot of work left before we’re done. The plan here is to illustrate the intent behind our design, which should in turn help you figure out the answers to many of your questions.

Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.

This goal is paramount and drives everything else. If we allowed you to earn extra achievement points from completing an achievement on two different characters, then you might only want to play the character with the most points and you’d feel like you had to grind through all the achievements with every alt, thus defeating the purpose of having account-level achievements.

Most achievements are account-wide

This means you only earn the points once. If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement. We think it’s still important to recognize milestones like reaching level 80, maxing out a profession, or killing a raid boss for the first time. It's fun to have everyone congratulate you when you get the toast. Nonetheless, this will just be a new character of yours completing the achievement that you’ve already earned on your account. You won’t double up on points.

Most criteria are not account-wide

If you start an achievement on one character, you can't then finish the achievement on another (there are exceptions, so please keep reading). We didn't think it made sense for one character to get level 60 and another to get level 20 and then see the "level 80" achievement toast. If you start to explore Thousand Needles on one character, you’ll probably want to finish that achievement on the same character.

Some achievements are "meta achievements."

These are achievements that require you to get other specific achievements. An infamous example is "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been." These achievements generally ARE account-wide. If one character earned Noble Gardener and another character earned The Flame Warden, then your account would get Long Strange Trip. (Otherwise it would be weird: it would look as if you had the sub-achievements, but you wouldn't have the meta-achievement). Even though you need Explore Thousand Needles on one character, all of your characters can contribute to Explore Kalimdor.

A very few achievements are account-only.

There are two categories of account-only achievements. One is achievements that are not possible to earn on one character. If we made an achievement to level every class to level 90, it would be account-only. (I'm not sure we will, but it's a good example.) The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.

We hope that rewards granted from achievements (pets, mounts, titles, and tabards) will be shared at the account level.

I'm not going to promise this yet, because a lot of magic has to happen for that to work, but it's our intent. We have discussed having a character level requirement for some rewards, so that your level-2 gnome couldn’t walk around with the “Defender of a Shattered World” title just because your level-90 shaman earned it. If the gnome made it to level 80, though, you could proudly show off your title. You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction. The achievement wouldn’t go away -- you just wouldn’t be able to show it off on that character. There are probably additional exceptions and details we’ll find as we dig deeper into the system.

This is the kind of system that will evolve over time, and we don’t think this has to be the way achievements work forever. As beta players start experimenting with it and offering feedback, I am certain that we will end up making even more changes.

Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is Lead Systems Designer for World of Warcraft. He loves you very, very much. Yes, you.
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  1. reve's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kellyc View Post
    Sorry for still not understanding. But lets say I wanna go for "The Loremaster"
    Can I be "Loremaster of Cataclysm" on my mage and then "Loremaster of..(the rest)" and still get the achievement ""The Loremaster"?
    Cuz when he explains the "meta achievements." it does sound like thats possible.
    Yop that's pretty much what those meta achievements will look like.
  1. Count Zero's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kellyc View Post
    Sorry for still not understanding. But lets say I wanna go for "The Loremaster"
    Can I be "Loremaster of Cataclysm" on my mage and then "Loremaster of..(the rest)" and still get the achievement ""The Loremaster"?
    Cuz when he explains the "meta achievements." it does sound like thats possible.
    Yes, meta-achievements are achievements that are made up of other achievements. In your example, yes -- Loremaster of Cata on one character and the rest on the others, will get you the Loremaster achieve.
  1. Domiku's Avatar
    It's nice because some stuff like ashes i can't solo on my paladin, warlock, priest but my DK can solo it. So once the mount does drop i will get it on the toons that i cant solo it with awesome! It also means i can use all the other rare mounts (have almost all of them now, including ones you cant get any-more) on all my toons...

    One question is though will it be like it is on beta at the moment and you just have the same mount list each toon.. I mean could i be using 2x the same mount when i only have earned 1 achievements..
  1. Rorixis's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SteakAndAlePie View Post
    I kinda dislike still getting the toast message, not on a personal level, but on a guild level. I am kinda tired to congratulate each guildies twink on nonsense achievements like "catch a fish", "maraudon" and "get a pet". I don't want to be impolite either.

    The good thing is, this will puzzle together my loremaster achievement currently scattered on like 7 twinks and my main.
    Either don't congratulate them on trivial stuff or get an addon that congratulates them automatically...
  1. Zaphiroc's Avatar
    I honestly love this No longer will my healer and my tank alts remain largely ignored because my warrior dps has 12k ach points and they dont ^_^
  1. dnlEHEH's Avatar
    I really hope they won't make PvP titles and End game PvE titles account wide. Especially the pvp ones.
  1. Sargerus's Avatar
    Only one question. Class Mounts, shared or not?
  1. darqhur's Avatar
    Looks like the intent is good. I am excited that the reality should be pretty great with this.
  1. dante7154's Avatar
    Does anyone know if rep will get shared beause i have grinded wsg rep on one too that one time too much
  1. Narshe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by RevanSparda View Post
    Only one question. Class Mounts, shared or not?
    They will most likely add a class restriction to the mount itself. Just like engineering mounts right now require a certain skill level to ride it, even though it shows up on all your toons in the mount book.
  1. Jonas's Avatar
    love this !
  1. carebear's Avatar
    This is the only change I've read on this site for MOP that I actually had an interest in, it's something I felt should have been implemented long ago!
  1. N-aix's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by RevanSparda View Post
    Only one question. Class Mounts, shared or not?
    Likely restricted in most cases.
  1. littleking's Avatar
    yes! this makes 250k honor kills slightly more attractive to get lol
  1. Naralist's Avatar
    Very nice! I am looking forward to this
  1. Peroxidex's Avatar
    Good news for the meta achievements.

    I was curious due to the 'Master of xxx' BG achievements.
  1. Ivirus's Avatar
    These points are pretty much what I had in mind from the beginning of the account wide achievement announcement. It only made basic sense to me that these changes would be implemented from the start. It's nice to have the clarification though for people who weren't sure.

    My main was fun to learn to play at first and I stuck with it. The more I played, the more achievements and pets/mounts I earned the more I felt chained to that one character. I still enjoyed playing others, but I always fell back on my overachiever. This will make a lot of altoholics lives so much easier. This is a godsend and should have been implemented when achievements first were in the very least.
  1. Vargur's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SteakAndAlePie View Post
    I kinda dislike still getting the toast message, not on a personal level, but on a guild level. I am kinda tired to congratulate each guildies twink on nonsense achievements like "catch a fish", "maraudon" and "get a pet". I don't want to be impolite either.

    The good thing is, this will puzzle together my loremaster achievement currently scattered on like 7 twinks and my main.
    I think you can turn those off.
  1. indyboy362's Avatar
    What about realm first achievements that give titles? My alt has Death's Demise. Will my main get that title as well?
  1. Skutch's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by littleking View Post
    yes! this makes 250k honor kills slightly more attractive to get lol
    Well I hope it actually totals all the HK's you have account wide :-/
    but at least a bonus tho is to have things count towards meta achievements

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