MMO-Champion - Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We recently added account-level changes to achievements in World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria, and there’s still a lot of work left before we’re done. The plan here is to illustrate the intent behind our design, which should in turn help you figure out the answers to many of your questions.

Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.

This goal is paramount and drives everything else. If we allowed you to earn extra achievement points from completing an achievement on two different characters, then you might only want to play the character with the most points and you’d feel like you had to grind through all the achievements with every alt, thus defeating the purpose of having account-level achievements.

Most achievements are account-wide

This means you only earn the points once. If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement. We think it’s still important to recognize milestones like reaching level 80, maxing out a profession, or killing a raid boss for the first time. It's fun to have everyone congratulate you when you get the toast. Nonetheless, this will just be a new character of yours completing the achievement that you’ve already earned on your account. You won’t double up on points.

Most criteria are not account-wide

If you start an achievement on one character, you can't then finish the achievement on another (there are exceptions, so please keep reading). We didn't think it made sense for one character to get level 60 and another to get level 20 and then see the "level 80" achievement toast. If you start to explore Thousand Needles on one character, you’ll probably want to finish that achievement on the same character.

Some achievements are "meta achievements."

These are achievements that require you to get other specific achievements. An infamous example is "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been." These achievements generally ARE account-wide. If one character earned Noble Gardener and another character earned The Flame Warden, then your account would get Long Strange Trip. (Otherwise it would be weird: it would look as if you had the sub-achievements, but you wouldn't have the meta-achievement). Even though you need Explore Thousand Needles on one character, all of your characters can contribute to Explore Kalimdor.

A very few achievements are account-only.

There are two categories of account-only achievements. One is achievements that are not possible to earn on one character. If we made an achievement to level every class to level 90, it would be account-only. (I'm not sure we will, but it's a good example.) The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.

We hope that rewards granted from achievements (pets, mounts, titles, and tabards) will be shared at the account level.

I'm not going to promise this yet, because a lot of magic has to happen for that to work, but it's our intent. We have discussed having a character level requirement for some rewards, so that your level-2 gnome couldn’t walk around with the “Defender of a Shattered World” title just because your level-90 shaman earned it. If the gnome made it to level 80, though, you could proudly show off your title. You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction. The achievement wouldn’t go away -- you just wouldn’t be able to show it off on that character. There are probably additional exceptions and details we’ll find as we dig deeper into the system.

This is the kind of system that will evolve over time, and we don’t think this has to be the way achievements work forever. As beta players start experimenting with it and offering feedback, I am certain that we will end up making even more changes.

Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is Lead Systems Designer for World of Warcraft. He loves you very, very much. Yes, you.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Bringing Achievements to the Account Level started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. matters's Avatar
    This is a much MUCH needed addition and i couldnt be more excited for it, maybe Blizzard does love us?! Any way i have a question that i didn't see specifically answered by the blue post, i am wondering if certain feat of strength titles such as 'the Insane' and 'Bloodsail Admiral' along with the vanilla battleground titles will be available on all characters? If anyone does know anything about this please feel free to post and clear this up for myself, and probably some other people too. Thanks!

    On topic i will state again, awesome addition!
  1. Phovos's Avatar
    Will or will not FEAT OF STRENGTH titles be shared across the account (i.e. Death's Demise, Grand Crusader, etc.)?


    I would REALLY love an answer on this if anybody knows.
  1. matters's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Monekop View Post
    Well, that means i only need a rare fish to get my Salty achievement. imagine crafting mounts will be restricted to knowing the skill although it would be very nice it my engineer could ride a magic carpet, a charger and a deathsteed,

    Time to start running Kara on all toons rather than just my main.

    as for the "cons" about "speed-farming" thing like at mounts and pets - at the end of the day you put the same effort into doing it, just can just get it much much faster.

    Now just want BoA currencies and tabards
    I would also LOVE if they added, in addition to your suggestion of currencies and tabards, BoA transformation items such as Muradins Favor, archaeology transform items, Time-Lost Figurine etc, etc. I would love to re-roll or play one of my other characters but there are many things i have that are not counted as achievements, mounts and pets that i still very much want on my 'new main character'.

    ---------- Post added 2012-05-08 at 02:19 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Phovos View Post
    Will or will not FEAT OF STRENGTH titles be shared across the account (i.e. Death's Demise, Grand Crusader, etc.)?


    I would REALLY love an answer on this if anybody knows.
    Pretty much this, i asked a similar question but this sums it up in a shorter version. Will feat of strength titles be available on all characters on my account?

    Jeez, sorry for spamming the thread. I did not realize that i had posted this many times until i actually looked at the thread.
  1. Williamgood's Avatar
    Hmmm wonder if pets/mounts would fall into the categories of account wide.
  1. Arganaut's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zergal View Post
    Hate to burst your bubble, but Bloodthirsty is a pure korean grind-style achievement, no skill whatsoever involved.
    QFT and whose to say they raise the cap to 1million and award a new achievement called bloody bloodthirsty the bloodiest.
  1. ViscontiRogue's Avatar
    What about Horde/Alliance alts? Will they share the achievs or will those be separate?
  1. matters's Avatar
    Also another question, it says "The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count."

    Does that mean that my 28,000 hks on my mage and over 30,000 hks on my paladin will now combine to give me a total of ~60,000 hks? This would be a tremendous help in terms of attaining my 'of the Alliance' title.
  1. VanishO2's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by matters View Post
    Also another question, it says "The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count."

    Does that mean that my 28,000 hks on my mage and over 30,000 hks on my paladin will now combine to give me a total of ~60,000 hks? This would be a tremendous help in terms of attaining my 'of the Alliance' title.
    "the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count." Looks like that as long as they're from the same faction (criteria), I guess yes (would be weird to kill 30k alliance players on a horde toon and complete "of the alliance").
  1. Iamstupidlol's Avatar
    Battlemaster here I come!
  1. Luneward's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Monekop View Post
    Well, that means i only need a rare fish to get my Salty achievement. imagine crafting mounts will be restricted to knowing the skill although it would be very nice it my engineer could ride a magic carpet, a charger and a deathsteed,
    Those mounts already work that way. I got my blue dragonhawk back in wrath by intentionally leveling professions up to the requisite skill needed to craft the mounts, making them, learning them, then unlearning the professions. You still possess the mount, but can't use it unless you have requisite skill.
  1. yashiro's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivirus View Post
    These points are pretty much what I had in mind from the beginning of the account wide achievement announcement. It only made basic sense to me that these changes would be implemented from the start. It's nice to have the clarification though for people who weren't sure.

    My main was fun to learn to play at first and I stuck with it. The more I played, the more achievements and pets/mounts I earned the more I felt chained to that one character. I still enjoyed playing others, but I always fell back on my overachiever. This will make a lot of altoholics lives so much easier. This is a godsend and should have been implemented when achievements first were in the very least.
    Its exacly what i think too,but blizz like to feed the casuals...as always.
  1. Witterquik's Avatar
    All I got from that was, Greg "Ghostcrawler" Street loves me very very much. Yes, me (not the rest of you).

    /swoon
  1. Phovos's Avatar
    I'm increadibly excited about these changes, but in order to push me over the happy/giddy edge... I have to know if feats of strength will be account-wide.


    If I could roll any alt and have realm first titles and black proto-drake, I think I would shit a $20,000 check written out to blizzard.
  1. tgrhwke's Avatar
    As I'm about to ding 85 on my twelfth character and tenth class and plan to also take a Monk to level cap, I would love to have an achievement for leveling all classes to maximum.
  1. Zaelsino's Avatar
    Brilliant change, particularly the tabard one. The thought of grinding out to exalted with the Sunreavers again was way too daunting a task and put me off touching my little hunter parked at the Argent Tournament, but now... well. This is very good.
  1. Malvin's Avatar
    Does win 100 alterac valley classify as a "brutal" achievement or do I have to spend additional years in battlegrounds on my current main?
  1. Drakesong's Avatar
    What about the ones who got Rank 7+ in PvP back in Vanilla? Their alts will be able to buy replica gear for transmog?
  1. DrakNightmare's Avatar
    Yay for "The Bloodthirsty" titles on all of my toons!!!!!
  1. Supeer's Avatar
    wow, that's awesome. I might need some work with all of my characters to get 100% of all those sweet achievements.
  1. Guest's Avatar
    I wonder if a scarab lord gets the title (and maybe mount) on all characters.

    a) it was "brutal"
    b) not available anymore

    That means, if I don't play this specific toon anymore, it's "lost".

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