MMO-Champion - Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We recently added account-level changes to achievements in World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria, and there’s still a lot of work left before we’re done. The plan here is to illustrate the intent behind our design, which should in turn help you figure out the answers to many of your questions.

Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.

This goal is paramount and drives everything else. If we allowed you to earn extra achievement points from completing an achievement on two different characters, then you might only want to play the character with the most points and you’d feel like you had to grind through all the achievements with every alt, thus defeating the purpose of having account-level achievements.

Most achievements are account-wide

This means you only earn the points once. If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement. We think it’s still important to recognize milestones like reaching level 80, maxing out a profession, or killing a raid boss for the first time. It's fun to have everyone congratulate you when you get the toast. Nonetheless, this will just be a new character of yours completing the achievement that you’ve already earned on your account. You won’t double up on points.

Most criteria are not account-wide

If you start an achievement on one character, you can't then finish the achievement on another (there are exceptions, so please keep reading). We didn't think it made sense for one character to get level 60 and another to get level 20 and then see the "level 80" achievement toast. If you start to explore Thousand Needles on one character, you’ll probably want to finish that achievement on the same character.

Some achievements are "meta achievements."

These are achievements that require you to get other specific achievements. An infamous example is "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been." These achievements generally ARE account-wide. If one character earned Noble Gardener and another character earned The Flame Warden, then your account would get Long Strange Trip. (Otherwise it would be weird: it would look as if you had the sub-achievements, but you wouldn't have the meta-achievement). Even though you need Explore Thousand Needles on one character, all of your characters can contribute to Explore Kalimdor.

A very few achievements are account-only.

There are two categories of account-only achievements. One is achievements that are not possible to earn on one character. If we made an achievement to level every class to level 90, it would be account-only. (I'm not sure we will, but it's a good example.) The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.

We hope that rewards granted from achievements (pets, mounts, titles, and tabards) will be shared at the account level.

I'm not going to promise this yet, because a lot of magic has to happen for that to work, but it's our intent. We have discussed having a character level requirement for some rewards, so that your level-2 gnome couldn’t walk around with the “Defender of a Shattered World” title just because your level-90 shaman earned it. If the gnome made it to level 80, though, you could proudly show off your title. You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction. The achievement wouldn’t go away -- you just wouldn’t be able to show it off on that character. There are probably additional exceptions and details we’ll find as we dig deeper into the system.

This is the kind of system that will evolve over time, and we don’t think this has to be the way achievements work forever. As beta players start experimenting with it and offering feedback, I am certain that we will end up making even more changes.

Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is Lead Systems Designer for World of Warcraft. He loves you very, very much. Yes, you.
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  1. khatsoo's Avatar
    Me gusta

    Also the shared mounts.
  1. Aesacos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Paulosio View Post
    "What i'm wondering is will the argent tournament mounts become BOE and thus give the other faction a chance to get those mounts ?
    It was answered in the post: "You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction."
  1. Hircine's Avatar
    Best change ever.Period.
  1. autopsy's Avatar
    Curious how it will work (if at all) for reputation achievements like 45 exalted reps.
    Seems it could be a difficult one to implement, adding the cumulative exalted reps. while ignoring any duplicates or faction alternatives.

    Would also make things like Hero of Shattrath significantly easier.
  1. kissdeath's Avatar
    Lovely fuck up wow?

    My main has over 10k achivepoints, i did loremaster twice on my main, pre cata and after cats for the many achives that came extra. you stole so many of my achives after a patch like keymaster,. i made a note and lost over 100 achivepoints after some patches. I am doing loremaster again on a alt with my boyfriend because its more fun to do together. With account wide achives i migth as wel quit now because there is no use in doing it agian if i 'already have it'. :S what use is it do do achives twice then? NON.

    Stop make-ing everything account wide.

    account wide everything is starting to suck already if you ask me!

    and btw, 2500 daily quests isn't brutal, i completed it today
  1. Demontjuh's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kissdeath View Post
    Lovely fuck up wow?

    My main has over 10k achivepoints, i did loremaster twice on my main, pre cata and after cats for the many achives that came extra. you stole so many of my achives after a patch like keymaster,. i made a note and lost over 100 achivepoints after some patches. I am doing loremaster again on a alt with my boyfriend because its more fun to do together. With account wide achives i migth as wel quit now because there is no use in doing it agian if i 'already have it'. :S what use is it do do achives twice then? NON.

    Stop make-ing everything account wide.

    account wide everything is starting to suck already if you ask me!
    have you not read the entire thing?

    if u like to do things 2x+ cus u like it well u still can AND u will see a toast when u reach that milestone..
    only thing that changes is that u will already have the achi points on all ur chars and wont gain more points upon 2nd completion also u'll be able to use the benefits like mounts/titles etc.. the achi will still pop up on ur 2nd char with a toast congratulating u on completing it
  1. mrwingtipshoes's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kissdeath View Post
    Lovely fuck up wow?

    My main has over 10k achivepoints, i did loremaster twice on my main, pre cata and after cats for the many achives that came extra. you stole so many of my achives after a patch like keymaster,. i made a note and lost over 100 achivepoints after some patches. I am doing loremaster again on a alt with my boyfriend because its more fun to do together. With account wide achives i migth as wel quit now because there is no use in doing it agian if i 'already have it'. :S what use is it do do achives twice then? NON.

    Stop make-ing everything account wide.

    account wide everything is starting to suck already if you ask me!

    And no body was asking you, the vast majority of the vocal player base, here and the official forums, is ecstatic about it. If it's really that important to you then quit.

    I can't wait for account wide achieves and mounts. As someone said in one of these threads "I can change mains with out leaving a little bit of my soul behind." This change will make me play MORE not less.
  1. kissdeath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mrwingtipshoes View Post
    And no body was asking you, the vast majority of the vocal player base, here and the official forums, is ecstatic about it. If it's really that important to you then quit.

    I can't wait for account wide achieves and mounts. As someone said in one of these threads "I can change mains with out leaving a little bit of my soul behind." This change will make me play MORE not less.
    oh boohoo, nobody was asking me? i'm not entitled to post my opinion?
    to bad for you, i did!
  1. Fullblod's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kissdeath View Post
    Lovely fuck up wow?

    My main has over 10k achivepoints, i did loremaster twice on my main, pre cata and after cats for the many achives that came extra. you stole so many of my achives after a patch like keymaster,. i made a note and lost over 100 achivepoints after some patches. I am doing loremaster again on a alt with my boyfriend because its more fun to do together. With account wide achives i migth as wel quit now because there is no use in doing it agian if i 'already have it'. :S what use is it do do achives twice then? NON.

    Stop make-ing everything account wide.

    account wide everything is starting to suck already if you ask me!
    Let me ask you, what's the point of doing achievements at all if you think doing them twice is a chore?

    You may answer this question with "it's a personal challenge", and that's the answer I want you to think about. Nobody is forcing you to do all this, you don't get anything (read this loosely) from doing achievements. It's the struggle to get them that makes some people do them. So no, Blizzard is not giving you the middle finger here, you are free to do the Loremaster six times if you please because it's your personal struggle and accomplishment.

    I welcome the introduction to this and it's not because I don't want to kill Deathwing on my i.e. panda in Mists, it's because I personally do not enjoy doing achievements at all. But for people who do LIKE to do achievements I wish and hope you realize that this won't kill it for you. Do your achievements and pretend your already earned part ain't there.

    Thank you for listening.
  1. mrwingtipshoes's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kissdeath View Post
    oh boohoo, nobody was asking me? i'm not entitled to post my opinion?
    to bad for you, i did!
    The maturity level of this post belays all of the information I need.

    Maybe you don't understand that you are playing a COMMUNITY GAME. A game were the great words of Spock have never rang more true.

    "The needs of the many out weight the needs of the few or the one."

    What is good for the entire group is more important than what is good for one person.
  1. hellcat1991's Avatar
    time to start doing kara every week on all my 85 alts also have they mentioned how fos will work
  1. Acry's Avatar
    Still not actually account wide. Stop lying to us blizz. Should call it realm-wide like it actually is
  1. kissdeath's Avatar
    nice to know this 'comminity' game doesn't care for an opinion if its different then theres.
  1. leo2310's Avatar
    I am a bit confused about this whole new account wide achievements .

    I am not a big fan of leveling alts , playing alts at all . Actually i have been playing my pala since the start of BC , and i enjoy it . I love it ! Also i am a big achievement whore , mount and pet collector . I would rather spend hours to farm for mounts / pets than just idle in Orgrimmar . I have gathered enough FOS achiements , and still working on some .

    But , what i am disappointed at is that all this shared mounts and achievements will go a bit over the hand .

    1. Does that mean i will have to start leveling alts to be able to farm *11 times each raid / heroic that drops certain mounts ? Cause that's just scary , and messy .
    2. Will i be able to ride my Charger on let's say , my UD mage ? 0_0
    3. What about the Druid / Lock FOS Mounts ? Why would i have to get penalized for not leveling alts / completing certain achievements on alts ?

    I don't wanna have to be 'forced' to start playing on alts , to start farming content over and over , reset after reset . And do belive me most of the mounts / pets collectors will do that . I just don't wanna start playing alts for the sake of *11 resets / week . Thank you and sorry for my bad english .
  1. mrwingtipshoes's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kissdeath View Post
    nice to know this 'comminity' game doesn't care for an opinion if its different then theres.
    When, of the vocal people, you are in the vast minority then it really doesn't matter. You are attempting to oppose a change that (almost) everyone else is embracing because of the way that view achievements which is contrary to the rest of the community and the change that the designers are making.
  1. Invictus9001's Avatar


    Two years, 6 days ago, I completed the "School of Hard Knocks" and thus got "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been". Ever since, I've been hoping this would go account-wide. Today, in earnest, that hope has been answered, positively.

    I will now proceed to pop open a few beer cans and slam them, Stone Cold-style.
  1. mrwingtipshoes's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by leo2310 View Post
    I am a bit confused about this whole new account wide achievements .

    I am not a big fan of leveling alts , playing alts at all . Actually i have been playing my pala since the start of BC , and i enjoy it . I love it ! Also i am a big achievement whore , mount and pet collector . I would rather spend hours to farm for mounts / pets than just idle in Orgrimmar . I have gathered enough FOS achiements , and still working on some .

    But , what i am disappointed at is that all this shared mounts and achievements will go a bit over the hand .

    1. Does that mean i will have to start leveling alts to be able to farm *11 times each raid / heroic that drops certain mounts ? Cause that's just scary , and messy .
    2. Will i be able to ride my Charger on let's say , my UD mage ? 0_0
    3. What about the Druid / Lock FOS Mounts ? Why would i have to get penalized for not leveling alts / completing certain achievements on alts ?

    I don't wanna have to be 'forced' to start playing on alts , to start farming content over and over , reset after reset . And do belive me most of the mounts / pets collectors will do that . I just don't wanna start playing alts for the sake of *11 resets / week . Thank you and sorry for my bad english .
    1. It means that you CAN farm a mount (insert number of toons here) a lock out, not that you have to.
    2. Per the GC post they are looking at restricting mounts by faction and by level. I'm willing to bet they will do the same for class specific mounts though its not currently working that way on beta, but its the first implementation of a feature on beta so take that for what its worth.
    3. The Druid and lock FoS mounts? What do you mean?

    For people that don't play alts nothing is changing.
  1. Pyroblade90's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by leo2310 View Post
    I am a bit confused about this whole new account wide achievements .

    I am not a big fan of leveling alts , playing alts at all . Actually i have been playing my pala since the start of BC , and i enjoy it . I love it ! Also i am a big achievement whore , mount and pet collector . I would rather spend hours to farm for mounts / pets than just idle in Orgrimmar . I have gathered enough FOS achiements , and still working on some .

    But , what i am disappointed at is that all this shared mounts and achievements will go a bit over the hand .

    1. Does that mean i will have to start leveling alts to be able to farm *11 times each raid / heroic that drops certain mounts ? Cause that's just scary , and messy .
    2. Will i be able to ride my Charger on let's say , my UD mage ? 0_0
    3. What about the Druid / Lock FOS Mounts ? Why would i have to get penalized for not leveling alts / completing certain achievements on alts ?

    I don't wanna have to be 'forced' to start playing on alts , to start farming content over and over , reset after reset . And do belive me most of the mounts / pets collectors will do that . I just don't wanna start playing alts for the sake of *11 resets / week . Thank you and sorry for my bad english .
    Exactly this.
  1. mrwingtipshoes's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pyroblade90 View Post
    Exactly this.
    Except no one is forcing you. If you don't play alts then absolutely 100% nothing is changing.
  1. I change my name a lot's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by leo2310 View Post
    I am a bit confused about this whole new account wide achievements .

    I am not a big fan of leveling alts , playing alts at all . Actually i have been playing my pala since the start of BC , and i enjoy it . I love it ! Also i am a big achievement whore , mount and pet collector . I would rather spend hours to farm for mounts / pets than just idle in Orgrimmar . I have gathered enough FOS achiements , and still working on some .

    But , what i am disappointed at is that all this shared mounts and achievements will go a bit over the hand .

    1. Does that mean i will have to start leveling alts to be able to farm *11 times each raid / heroic that drops certain mounts ? Cause that's just scary , and messy .
    2. Will i be able to ride my Charger on let's say , my UD mage ? 0_0
    3. What about the Druid / Lock FOS Mounts ? Why would i have to get penalized for not leveling alts / completing certain achievements on alts ?

    I don't wanna have to be 'forced' to start playing on alts , to start farming content over and over , reset after reset . And do belive me most of the mounts / pets collectors will do that . I just don't wanna start playing alts for the sake of *11 resets / week . Thank you and sorry for my bad english .
    You have a choice to do it, You are never forced to do it. That's all I'm going to say to you.

    This is a CHOICE

    End of story.

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