MMO-Champion - Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We recently added account-level changes to achievements in World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria, and there’s still a lot of work left before we’re done. The plan here is to illustrate the intent behind our design, which should in turn help you figure out the answers to many of your questions.

Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.

This goal is paramount and drives everything else. If we allowed you to earn extra achievement points from completing an achievement on two different characters, then you might only want to play the character with the most points and you’d feel like you had to grind through all the achievements with every alt, thus defeating the purpose of having account-level achievements.

Most achievements are account-wide

This means you only earn the points once. If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement. We think it’s still important to recognize milestones like reaching level 80, maxing out a profession, or killing a raid boss for the first time. It's fun to have everyone congratulate you when you get the toast. Nonetheless, this will just be a new character of yours completing the achievement that you’ve already earned on your account. You won’t double up on points.

Most criteria are not account-wide

If you start an achievement on one character, you can't then finish the achievement on another (there are exceptions, so please keep reading). We didn't think it made sense for one character to get level 60 and another to get level 20 and then see the "level 80" achievement toast. If you start to explore Thousand Needles on one character, you’ll probably want to finish that achievement on the same character.

Some achievements are "meta achievements."

These are achievements that require you to get other specific achievements. An infamous example is "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been." These achievements generally ARE account-wide. If one character earned Noble Gardener and another character earned The Flame Warden, then your account would get Long Strange Trip. (Otherwise it would be weird: it would look as if you had the sub-achievements, but you wouldn't have the meta-achievement). Even though you need Explore Thousand Needles on one character, all of your characters can contribute to Explore Kalimdor.

A very few achievements are account-only.

There are two categories of account-only achievements. One is achievements that are not possible to earn on one character. If we made an achievement to level every class to level 90, it would be account-only. (I'm not sure we will, but it's a good example.) The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.

We hope that rewards granted from achievements (pets, mounts, titles, and tabards) will be shared at the account level.

I'm not going to promise this yet, because a lot of magic has to happen for that to work, but it's our intent. We have discussed having a character level requirement for some rewards, so that your level-2 gnome couldn’t walk around with the “Defender of a Shattered World” title just because your level-90 shaman earned it. If the gnome made it to level 80, though, you could proudly show off your title. You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction. The achievement wouldn’t go away -- you just wouldn’t be able to show it off on that character. There are probably additional exceptions and details we’ll find as we dig deeper into the system.

This is the kind of system that will evolve over time, and we don’t think this has to be the way achievements work forever. As beta players start experimenting with it and offering feedback, I am certain that we will end up making even more changes.

Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is Lead Systems Designer for World of Warcraft. He loves you very, very much. Yes, you.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Bringing Achievements to the Account Level started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. Zdrasti's Avatar
    Achievements were dumb, this is a good change. But honestly, with how bad homogenization has gotten, they should just remove character classes and let you respec to the job you want.
  1. leo2310's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mrwingtipshoes View Post
    1. It means that you CAN farm a mount (insert number of toons here) a lock out, not that you have to.
    2. Per the GC post they are looking at restricting mounts by faction and by level. I'm willing to bet they will do the same for class specific mounts though its not currently working that way on beta, but its the first implementation of a feature on beta so take that for what its worth.
    3. The Druid and lock FoS mounts? What do you mean?

    For people that don't play alts nothing is changing.
    1. Well making 10 Dks or 10 hunters to farm every lockout seems what Blizz really want us to do ? ;-/
    2. Really hope so .
    3. Was talking about Dreadsteed of Xoroth and Swift Flight Form FOS achievements .


    Quote Originally Posted by -Alcatraz- View Post
    You have a choice to do it, You are never forced to do it. That's all I'm going to say to you.

    This is a CHOICE

    End of story.
    Yet again , it's not that simple as you make it sound . End of story .
  1. mrwingtipshoes's Avatar
    [QUOTE=leo2310;16746388]1. Well making 10 Dks or 10 hunters to farm every lockout seems what Blizz really want us to do ? ;-/
    2. Really hope so .
    3. Was talking about Dreadsteed of Xoroth and Swift Flight Form FOS achievements .

    1. If you really want to then go do it. Otherwise continue to play one toon, NOTHING HAS CHANGED FOR YOU


    Yet again , it's not that simple as you make it sound . End of story .
    Yea, really it is. If you don't play alts nothing has changed. Hasn't wow always been "people who play more have an advantage and have more stuff"? This isn't any different.
  1. gurv's Avatar
    This an awesome change!
    I'll finally be able to start collecting achievements, pets and mounts.
    Being an alotholic, it was kind of meaningless to go after any particular achievement since I'd lose all the benefit each time I was in the mood to play another character.
    Now the completionist in me will be able to express himself too
  1. Pyroblade90's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mrwingtipshoes View Post
    Except no one is forcing you. If you don't play alts then absolutely 100% nothing is changing.
    huh? like 10 / 25 man raiding back in wotlk? no one forced anyone to play both brackets and blizz still changed it in cata.
    there should be an acc wide lockout for rare drops. its not fun farm with x alts the same crap.
  1. mrwingtipshoes's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pyroblade90 View Post
    huh? like 10 / 25 man raiding back in wotlk? no one forced anyone to play both brackets and blizz still changed it in cata.
    there should be an acc wide lockout for rare drops. its not fun farm with x alts the same crap.
    No fun for YOU = no fun for everyone?
  1. Gephyrophobia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pyroblade90 View Post
    huh? like 10 / 25 man raiding back in wotlk? no one forced anyone to play both brackets and blizz still changed it in cata.
    there should be an acc wide lockout for rare drops. its not fun farm with x alts the same crap.
    If it's not fun to you, don't do it? I can't wait to be able to do that; more things to do.
  1. Raxiel's Avatar
    So the for example 100 AB wins, I've got over 100 wins account wide, but not on a single character. Will I still get it, or is it not brutal enough?
  1. the0o's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mrwingtipshoes View Post
    As someone said in one of these threads "I can change mains with out leaving a little bit of my soul behind."
    Greatest quote ever.
    this sums up why i cant leave my damn dk behind. now he can rest in peace
  1. Oratory's Avatar
    The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills
    My warrior has 3730 daily quests completed. Am I that far above the norm or is GC's scale of "brutal" a bit off?
  1. Soeroah's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Invictus9001 View Post


    Two years, 6 days ago, I completed the "School of Hard Knocks" and thus got "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been". Ever since, I've been hoping this would go account-wide. Today, in earnest, that hope has been answered, positively.

    I will now proceed to pop open a few beer cans and slam them, Stone Cold-style.
    I'm just wishing Blizzard would let us know if the Master Riding Skill attached to that achievement is intended to be rewarded when it goes live or not.

    50,000 is a lot of gold to save, if you have ten alts (as of MoP) without the highest riding skill.


    Quote Originally Posted by Oratory View Post
    My warrior has 3730 daily quests completed. Am I that far above the norm or is GC's scale of "brutal" a bit off?
    I dunno, mate, but my DK has over 5,800 Marks of the World Tree.

    I can't remember how many dailies that is, but given he's exalted with Netherwing, Skyguard, has that many marks, has every pet and mount from the Argent Tourney... I'll check.


    12,869 daily quests completed as of today.
  1. Zdrasti's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Soeroah View Post
    I'm just wishing Blizzard would let us know if the Master Riding Skill attached to that achievement is intended to be rewarded when it goes live or not.

    50,000 is a lot of gold to save, if you have ten alts (as of MoP) without the highest riding skill.




    I dunno, mate, but my DK has over 5,800 Marks of the World Tree.

    I can't remember how many dailies that is, but given he's exalted with Netherwing, Skyguard, has that many marks, has every pet and mount from the Argent Tourney... I'll check.


    12,869 daily quests completed as of today.
    If you've completed that many daily quests on one character, I doubt 50k gold is really that big of a deal. Besides, 50k might have been a big deal to some in wrath but it certainly wasn't much when cata launched (which was when I quit). I can't imagine it's going to be even remotely challenging to obtain that much yet another expansion later.
  1. grandevil's Avatar
    I can't decide if I'm very excited for this change or not. My main character has a lot of nerd points (over 11,000), around 120 mounts, and over 160 pets. I have A LOT of silly achievements. I do think that this would go a long way to making me more excited about playing alts though.
  1. Soeroah's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zdrasti View Post
    If you've completed that many daily quests on one character, I doubt 50k gold is really that big of a deal. Besides, 50k might have been a big deal to some in wrath but it certainly wasn't much when cata launched (which was when I quit). I can't imagine it's going to be even remotely challenging to obtain that much yet another expansion later.
    Oh, I've got several times that amount. I just never like forking out for some reason.

    If I can save gold somewhere I'm likely to do what I can do accomplish that. Especially with new mounts coming out!
  1. Puntar's Avatar
    Hmmmmm ...

    ...

    Anyone thought about that account wide achievements also means that we, players will spend less time playing the game?
  1. ashamel's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Malvin View Post
    Does win 100 alterac valley classify as a "brutal" achievement or do I have to spend additional years in battlegrounds on my current main?
    That is my question as well. Although even if it does count (which I hope), reputation won't. I have AV rep but am nowhere near WSG or AB.
  1. Skinny Red's Avatar
    I absolutely love this change, but I do have a question. Ghostcrawler said you could get different parts of a meta on different characters, like Explore Kalimdor. But what happens with the FoS for being exalted with both Aldor and Scryers in Shattrath? Will you still need to do this on one character, or will you gain it as soon as X as exalted Aldor and Y has exalted Scryers?
  1. Invictus9001's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Soeroah View Post
    I'm just wishing Blizzard would let us know if the Master Riding Skill attached to that achievement is intended to be rewarded when it goes live or not. 50,000 is a lot of gold to save, if you have ten alts (as of MoP) without the highest riding skill.
    It's only speculation at the moment, given they didn't LITERALLY say that you will be granted the Master Flying Skill with the mount. However, as of a few days ago when I last toyed with the beta, it was indeed awarding the flight skill. I would surely love to hope so, because I lost a chunk of sanity to getting those achievements towards the Meta [I'm stabbing daggers into a Children's Week orphan effigy in honor of "School of Hard Knocks" here], and if I can save some gold in the process, I could put it to greater good for the remainder of my alts. I have my server (with the DK that has the mount) full at the moment, with 9 playable alts and 1 bank-toon. If I could save 45k, I wouldn't knock it. After all, it would seem a bit anti-climactic to award the mount and NOT award the skill at the same time PLUS make you pay for the skill. =\

    Time will tell.
  1. patcherke's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by fishing4corpses View Post
    I second this. I worked hard to get the Bloodthirsty.... if they do make things like this account wide, remove the titles. I would rather not see every noob running around with it.
    *special snowflake detection system activated*
    You worked in a game... congratulations for working instead of having fun and playing.

    Can you answer one question for me : did you get that achievement because a) you liked to PvP and were good at it, or b) just to show off with the title?
    if the answer is "a", then why does it matter that someone else gets it too?
    if the answer is "b", I suggest you to go outside, because outside you will realise that nobody in your neighborhood knows or gives a damn about that title.

    and inb4: I don't PvP, but in raids, the thing you mention (i.e. achievements getting easier over time) happens constantly.

    OT: I welcome this change, although I don't have achievements scattered around characters. I stil play my first main, and it has always been my main, so I have all the titles, mounts and pets on that character.
    Now my alts will be able to fly more mounts and have more pets as well.

    ---------- Post added 2012-05-09 at 10:27 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by leo2310 View Post
    I am a bit confused about this whole new account wide achievements .

    I am not a big fan of leveling alts , playing alts at all . Actually i have been playing my pala since the start of BC , and i enjoy it . I love it ! Also i am a big achievement whore , mount and pet collector . I would rather spend hours to farm for mounts / pets than just idle in Orgrimmar . I have gathered enough FOS achiements , and still working on some .

    But , what i am disappointed at is that all this shared mounts and achievements will go a bit over the hand .

    1. Does that mean i will have to start leveling alts to be able to farm *11 times each raid / heroic that drops certain mounts ? Cause that's just scary , and messy .
    2. Will i be able to ride my Charger on let's say , my UD mage ? 0_0
    3. What about the Druid / Lock FOS Mounts ? Why would i have to get penalized for not leveling alts / completing certain achievements on alts ?

    I don't wanna have to be 'forced' to start playing on alts , to start farming content over and over , reset after reset . And do belive me most of the mounts / pets collectors will do that . I just don't wanna start playing alts for the sake of *11 resets / week . Thank you and sorry for my bad english .
    1. You can, but you don’t have to. It is your choice, and the only one that is forcing you is yourself. You can level up characters to do the content, and it will lower your total running time, but not the real effort time. i.e it takes you less resets/weeks since you increase the drop chance by having more goes in a week, but you still have to run it X times ( so you spend less weeks but more time in that week) I can live with that.
    2. at the moment on beta you can, but I think and actually hope they change it, since it doesn’t make sense lorewise for a DK to ride a paladin mount. If they don’t change it, I’ll be levelling a paladin tailor/engineer and a warlock for the mounts, but that will be my own choice and not something I was forced to do. As for profession mounts: you could already have it in your inventory, counting towards the achievements, but you could only use it if you had the profession still. (for this I will be levelling my tailor/engineer anyway)
    3. same actually as number 2: I think they will change that part, just like they made faction specific mounts only available to that faction.

    ---------- Post added 2012-05-09 at 10:37 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Oratory View Post
    My warrior has 3730 daily quests completed. Am I that far above the norm or is GC's scale of "brutal" a bit off?
    I am nearing 5500 atm. So 2500 is not that brutal anymore. It all depends on how much time you spend on a character really.
    I have always seen dailies as a good way to earn money, and at the same time work on associated rep or goodies.
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